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* Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels Preorder on Saturday, June 20 2015 / Codex Release on Saturday, June 27 2015 *


Latest news (sorted newest to oldest):

Photos of the english Codex - via 4chan

http://imgur.com/a/0zgd7

Photos of the new rules / Codex book leak (german) on p28-30

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/810/649628.page

More photos, posted by Timotheus and Brother Dean - at B&C

Spoiler:

Three DA Core Detachments confirmed

Beastrouille - Bolter & Chainsword

There is a leak from the french WD saying so.

The detachements are called Deathwing Strike Force and Ravenwing Strike Force.

Here is the image for those who read french:

Spoiler:

For those who do not read french here is a quick translation:

second paragraph:

"Of course this is not the only way (i.e. the Lion's blade) to assemble a DA army. Instead of a DA semi-company why not use other detachements. A DW Strike Force would make a visually impressive army with all these bone-white armours [...]. Thanks to this detachment, itis possible to field a force constutited only of DA 1st company and lead by Belial or why not the new Terminator Librarian."

Third paragraph:

"The other detachement of the codex is the RW Strike Force including units from the second company only [...]"

EDIT: I forgot to credit the one who posted that in the first place. So thanks Master Avoghai (who I am sure you know already) to have posted that on the french DA forum

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303857-rumours-dark-angels-codex-interrogator-chaplain/page-35#entry4091042

More photos of the upcoming White Dwarf

Warhams-77 wrote:
WD pics - by www.gamestrust.de (in german, sorry guys)

Spoiler:

There is more

Spoiler:

There is another Dark Angels mission in the next issue of White Dwarf

MongooseMatt wrote:
I am not really a rumour source, but this has just come through from the GW sales team;

A 160-page full colour hardback codex. The most comprehensive Dark Angels codex ever, which includes three new Dark Angels Detachments, 6 formations of and Tactical Objectives, plus Warlord Traits and Chapter Relics. This new codex gives the player the opportunity to build their own Deathwing and Ravenwing formations, from the extensive range of available miniatures.


It is a £35 Codex. Looks like Dark Angels are getting the royal treatment (at last)!

Codex cover and LE Codex content:

 pretre wrote:
Less ridiculously big picture from Mexican Ork:

master sheol wrote:
INCOMING!

Spoiler:

in some of the tidbits is mentioned the following:
"Dark angels are known for their discipline (even guilliman respects says that) need proof? look at the overwatch fire of a battle demi-company!"
and "dark angels are known to attack hard and fast. expect the deathwing to assault on turn 2"

the upcomming WD has(sorry if it isnt 100% translated):
- at the dusk of a new age...
-...we are celebrating warhammer
- new mission: hunt The Fallen

no real leaks yet dear friends. expect them on the following tuesday/wednesday. when i got the book in my hands.

This week's White Dwarf - June 20 - Issue 73


Teaser Video




Confirmed products - June and July:

- Dark Angels upgrade sprue
- Dark Angels transfer sheet (decals)
- Dark Angels Battleforce (discounted bundle boxed set)
- Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain (plastic miniature clampack)
- Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels
- Dark Angels Datacards

Rumored products:

- Dark Angels Painting Guide (softcover book)

Related, recent products:

- New Devastator and Assault Marine kits



Original 1st post:

Rules update incoming. According to Sad Panda, who is blessed with the Reliable USR, Dark Angels will get a new Codex at the end of June. There have also been other good sources reporting a DA update - Hastings, Atia and Whisperer of Truth amongst them. I will keep this thread updated until the arrival of the book. Also YAY for a new Dark Angels Codex AFTER the Space Marine book gets replaced in the next weeks (preorder of first SM products is rumored for Sat, May 30, 2015).

Posted today on DakkaDakka

Sad Panda

Dark Angels codex comes late in June with a new clampack Interrogator Chaplain (completely new model with a powerfist, not the DV one).

I heard Grim Resolve now improves Overwatch.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600/647061.page#7851467

 pretre wrote:

Sad Panda - Total rumors: (15 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Products already found by Atia (B&C) with the re-directing method in the GW webshop:

- Codex (book and ebook)
- Interrogator Chaplain
- Datacards
- Battleforce

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303857-rumours-dark-angels-codex-battleforce/






Update June 10 2015

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Atia on B&C via Timotheus

Next week's White Dwarf


The Lion's Blade - Your guide to building a Dark Angels Warhost

Exclusive Dark Angels Mission inside

The Dark Angels strike - None shall escape

Warhams-77 wrote:
[...] next White Dwarf Weekly magazine has been leaked [...]

Shown at the back of the same issue is this

Spoiler:

Photo by www.gamestrust.de

Warhams-77 wrote:
Machinepriest at Warseer Forum

I have this weekends issue in hand and the teaser in the painting article says "Dark, but not black"

The teaser in the back cover doesn't hint at anything exciting, just:
Hall of fame
Sprues and glue
Forgeworld

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?409276-Space-Marines-Codex-Rumours-MKII&s=3a20ba0934d814cc2763e77b0cbfe572&p=7464491&viewfull=1#post7464491

Warhams-77 wrote:
A few more pics from July Warhammer Visions - that future issue we had two photos of already was further leaked by Atia on B&C

Update June 6 2015

 Whumbachumba wrote:
This image is on the Australian webstore under the devastators.

Update June 1 2015

Warhams-77 wrote:
The new DA Interrogator Chaplain and the Terminator Librarian - via Timotheus from Darkon and Asdrake on www.gw-fanworld.de



23 EUR / $29.00 USD (unconfirmed)





24 EUR / $29.75 USD (unconfirmed)

Update May 31 2015

A photo of the upcoming Dark Angels Battleforce - from Bolter&Chainsword




The new Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain model - from Asdrake on GW-Fanworld.de




Update May 27 2015

From the Astartes thread - by Timotheus - the Dark Angels upgrade sprue



DA decal and banner transfer sheet



Price list

Update May 26 2015

A few more posts from Darnok regarding the Dark Angels release

I've been told there would be two more upgrade sets, so UM and DA are only the first half of that. Devastators will be the second kit after Assault Marines. Add a few clampack characters, and that's the SM release. DA will only get a codex and a character (plus this upgrade frame). I don't know whether the older DA upgrade sprue will remain in production - I hope so.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?409276-Space-Marines-Codex-Rumours-MKII&p=7454893&viewfull=1#post7454893

Originally Posted by Rogue
I thought it was obvious? GW have surely rolled the Dark Angels into the Codex: Space Marines.

No, DA are still on their own.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?409276-Space-Marines-Codex-Rumours-MKII&p=7454932&viewfull=1#post7454932

Hastings about DA and Tzeentch - Warseer

Originally Posted by Azazyll
....I read Hastings comment to be DA and Tzeentch as separate releases, not a box set. And I'm glad for that; means more new models.

All I said was DA & Tzeentch, no idea if there'll be a boxed set but I am pretty certain there are also separate releases for both (as well?).

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?409343-Dark-Angel-V-Tzeentch-Daemonkin-boxset&p=7454074&viewfull=1#post7454074


Leaked on Tuesday - a first photo of some of the DA upgrade sprue bits




Its URL in GW's webshop (by Atia on B&C)

Spoiler:

A Land-Speeder formation?

Nice concept in theory. Alpha strike with null deployment Land Speeders with a 3+ coversave behind enemy lines, melta and typhoon the biggest threads, then zoom around and grab objectives.
Guess we can extrapolate some of the changes from the new SM Dex concerning "shared" units.
Out of the Adeptus Astartes news Thread:

Warhams-77 wrote:
There is also an Eldar army box coming with or even before the upcoming Space Marine release according to Darnok

Darnok - Warseer Forum
I can confirm that Space Marines are coming, as well as Dark Angels. Three weeks of SM releases, one for DAs. After the AdMech stuff is done there is an Eldar armybox, and then it's Marines.

If true, looking forward to some love for the Unforgiven.

Dear GW: This one's simple. Please don't feth it up.

codex Dark angels 3rd/4th and 6th,Truer words have never been said

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET!

haha

Unlike Eldar and Space Marines, I don't think anyone's gonna be too upset that Dark Angels got an update to their codex I hope it's solid, I'd love to get some usage out of the army again.

Come on Plasma Cannon Tactical Squad with robes and whatnot. It will probably have a Heavy Bolted in it as well, but I am hoping for Multimelta or Grav Cannon. Just to mess with regular SM players (such as myself).

 Brother SRM wrote:
Unlike Eldar and Space Marines, I don't think anyone's gonna be too upset that Dark Angels got an update to their codex I hope it's solid, I'd love to get some usage out of the army again.

Same. First fully painted army ever was my Dark Angels, the old metal robed guys and old ravenwing boxset from 2nd edition. I'd love for them to be good again!

Sad Panda is pretty much completely accurate, so I would take this to the bank.

I might be coming into a Dark Angels army at the end of the summer, so this is great news for me.

At this point, I've given myself over to blissful indifference when it comes to rules quality. They could make the dangels worse and I'd still play them They're just too cool.

The release schedule continues apace.....
Much love to DAs though.

Well hopefully some positive SM and DA changes lead to positive CSM changes.

Holy cow, maybe I will actually build my Nephilim/Darktalon now lol. Plus if they made a DW army actually competitive that would be super.

If this ends up being true and the DA are getting a new codex directly following Codex: Adeptus Astartes this may well be the best single year for me in the hobby.

First I got the swanky new Codex: Craftworlds, which (despite being a little out-of-sync with the current rule set) is one of the better releases in a while.

Then I get the new Codex: Adeptus Astartes, which is highly needed since the current codex is just a disgrace for Imperial Fist players like myself.

And then in the same year I get a new Codex: Dark Angels!? Would be just... well it'd be just great.



The news about Nephelim & Talon flyers getting a point cost reduction is cool. Kind of.. I mean I don't use flyers anyway but they were just too overpriced to even consider changing my mind before.
The Dark Angels definitely need wargear updates since they are missing some (suddenly very essential) options like Grav weaponry and Centurions (not that I'd use them, but the option would be nice).
Would be great if the Interogator Chaplain could work a miracle and make chaplains worth taking... not holding my breath, but would be nice.

On this note, close combat is definitely something I think that the DA have a lot of emphasis on, and that is not conveyed in the rules. They need to find a way to make CC units worth their cost in points. New rules for this and for chaplains could go a long way towards improving the playability of both Dark Angels and Black Templars

If the Dark Angels do in fact get their own Tactical Squad - I hope to God that they all look like the current Dark Angels Veteran box. The 'warrior monk in robes' look has been so iconic for them that it always made me wonder why they weren't easy to acquire. To make my Company Command Squad fit the aesthetic of my army I had to kitbash the Veterans with the Command Squad and ended up paying what amounts to a $33 USD 'robe' tax so that I could stand to look at my army. Termis in robes would be great too, but who am I kidding, that's not going to happen.

Would be great to see them remove the Sword of Caliban as an item. It is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. +1S and it gives unwieldy? Who in their right mind pays for that? if you're spending the points and going to suffer through going at initiative step 1, just buy a Power Fist and at least kill something with it (assuming you aren't dead before initiative step 1).

I can see DA getting grav weapons, since Ba did (Wolves have Helfrost instead) but not Centurions.

I's also expect DA to get the Hunter/Stalker.

Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).

I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Rules update incoming. According to Sad Panda, who is blessed with the Reliable USR

Oh man, isn't that the truth . And he posts it directly on Dakka! My new rumor hero

 BrokenRecord wrote:
Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).

I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.

They're only associated with plasma because plasma is associated with nearly-lost tech and the Dark Angels are seen as hoarders of relics (and this fluff all sort of co-evolved over the years, go back to 2nd edition and there's nothing about the Dark Angels being obsessed with plasma). Really, the DA's should have *better* grav weapons than other marine chapters for the same reason they have lots of plasma weapons. They keep and maintain more ancient weapons.

I hear you like buying $50 hard covers, so we're replacing them every 2 years!

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

 BrokenRecord wrote:
Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).

I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.

They're only associated with plasma because plasma is associated with nearly-lost tech and the Dark Angels are seen as hoarders of relics (and this fluff all sort of co-evolved over the years, go back to 2nd edition and there's nothing about the Dark Angels being obsessed with plasma). Really, the DA's should have *better* grav weapons than other marine chapters for the same reason they have lots of plasma weapons. They keep and maintain more ancient weapons.

And Terminators with Plasma-Cannons, I need more DW Plasma Cannons.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I hear you like buying $50 hard covers, so we're replacing them every 2 years!

I'd love it if my four armies got updates every 4 years. 2 years and I'd be ecstatic.

(SW, Orks, SOB and AM for the record).

I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....

It'll be hilarious when just the DA codex comes out and no SM codex.

General Hobbs wrote:


I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....

It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.

Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....

It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.

Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.

I like to think that the tabletop doesn't take into account the level of strategy one would see from Space Marines. The typical equal-points battle scenario isn't their ideal situation.

No Space Marine commander would pit one marine with nothing but a bolter, some knives, and grenades against 20 guardsmen who are aware of their opponent and working together to bring him down. To put it on a larger scale, they're not going to send 1850 points to fight 1850 points on an open battleground in equal conditions, so to speak.

They'd hit that army with overwhelming force - think of a modern battle. They're going to do everything in their power to swing the battle in their favour while minimizing the risk to their own, be that bombardments, air support, or just plain shock and awe.

That individual marine wouldn't just run screaming at those 20 dudes, bolter blazing. He'd take his time, use his heightened senses, speed and tactical acuity to misdirect and outposition them, separate them and take them apart piecemeal. He'd bring the right tools for the job, and have decades (centuries?) of experience fighting large groups of lesser enemies.

Of course it's really just the tabletop not being balanced by the fluff, but, I take a certain satisfaction in thinking up reasons to make my fluff and crunch work together

 Jambles wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....

It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.

Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.

I like to think that the tabletop doesn't take into account the level of strategy one would see from Space Marines. The typical equal-points battle scenario isn't their ideal situation.

No Space Marine commander would pit one marine with nothing but a bolter, some knives, and grenades against 20 guardsmen who are aware of their opponent and working together to bring him down. To put it on a larger scale, they're not going to send 1850 points to fight 1850 points on an open battleground in equal conditions, so to speak.

They'd hit that army with overwhelming force - think of a modern battle. They're going to do everything in their power to swing the battle in their favour while minimizing the risk to their own, be that bombardments, air support, or just plain shock and awe.

That individual marine wouldn't just run screaming at those 20 dudes, bolter blazing. He'd take his time, use his heightened senses, speed and tactical acuity to misdirect and outposition them, separate them and take them apart piecemeal. He'd bring the right tools for the job, and have decades (centuries?) of experience fighting large groups of lesser enemies.

Of course it's really just the tabletop not being balanced by the fluff, but, I take a certain satisfaction in thinking up reasons to make my fluff and crunch work together

I completely agree, and IMO, to date, only 2nd edition 40k has come close to reflecting this. But that was a long time ago.

Possibly, but equally a fully armed and armoured, fluff accurate Space Marine taking on 20 standard Guardsmen would be akin to a fully grown man taking on a bunch of toddlers. I mean, sure, he could be sensible about it to minimise risk, but, in all likelihood, if he decides to charge headlong and screaming, the outcome is likely going to be the same!

We all know the real reason is to sell models. If a SM army of 10 could take on an Ork or IG army of 100+, no one would buy Orks or IG (except for the occasional nutter like me).

If an in-game arguement is needed I always figured that 40k is not a 1:1 representation for most armies. IE 1 marine model=1 marine, but 1 IG/Ork/Nid model=10 or more actual troops.

Well, just for the record, but if they really squeeze out both Space Marines and Dark Angels in June, they've released more codexes in the first 6 months of 2015 than they did in the entirety of 5th Edition

5th Edition - 2008 to 2012
1- Space Marines
2- Imperial Guard
3- Space Wolves
4- Tyranids
5- Blood Angels
6- Dark Eldar
7- Grey Knights
8- Necrons

January to June 2015
1- Necrons
2- Harlequins
3- Daemonkin
4- Skitarii
5- Crafty Eldar
6- Imperial Knights
7- Cult Mechanicus
8- Space Marines (rumoured)
9- Dark Angels (rumoured)

Interesting times..

Were BAs in 2015 too?

BA were November/December 2014