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I know questions like these are kindof silly because a whole lot of variables need to be accounted for, and a great unit in a terrible players hands makes for a bad unit.

But setting aside that sort of stuff for now - let's assume the player in charge of the unit is a pro on the top of his/her game.

Which unit do you think is the best in the game? (By 'best' here, i mean 'most value for it's points')
(also let's not go into forgeworld stuff, so even if the Sicarian is a very good unit, it's not allowed in the rankings. Only things that appear in Official Codexes and Supplements).


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Personally i reckon its windrider jetbikes, but obviously there's a lot of contenders.

What do you think?

Dreadknight or Grav Centurions

Best unit for it's cost is probably an eldar hornet.

Not sure that makes it the best unit. Best unit IMO should be something that can destroy things at will with little to no chance of being destroyed without needing anything else to function.

So the best unit is OP FMC units.
Faitweaver
Belakor
Flying tyrants

The ofc there is the dreaded WK costing as much as a decked out 10 man marine squad and drops stomp attacks and have 36inch range D weapons.

Best value for points? ork boys.

Windrider Jetbikes win games and can participate in every phase of the game, and do so well! In a CAD force they even have objective secured. I can't think of a better single unit that is so good at everything it does.

However, the Necron jetbikes and Necron Immortals are serious contenders.

SGTPozy wrote:
Dreadknight or Grav Centurions

Dk are good but for 50 more points you can get a WK....nice try though.

Wraithknight

 Xenomancers wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
Dreadknight or Grav Centurions

Dk are good but for 50 more points you can get a WK....nice try though.

And for 600 points more you can get a Revenant Titan...

Best unit in the game is currently the Wraithknight. Who knows what the upcoming codices will bring, though. Riptides are due for a buff, aren't they?

I'd have to call it a set of ties between Flyrants, Thunderwolf Calvary, Windrider Jetbikes and Plague Marines. Each one not only does their job well, but does other jobs when other parts of the army take serious hits. Versatility is more important than 'I GOTZ A BIG GUN!!' We're not Orks after all.

Versatility is only important when you can do several jobs really well. If you are simply mediocre at everything, then you are outright bad. See tactical marines.

That is why Plague Marines are far from being the best. They are quite tough, but they have very low damage output for their cost.

Eldar jetbijes with scatter lasers, no? Fast, killy and can secure objectives to win games. Certainly the best troops choice, I think.

Those kataphran destroyers supported by drop pods could be pretty nasty, but I think that eldar jet bikes might be the best. Just point and click. No synergy needed.

Tough time deciding between scat bikes and flyrants. In a normal game, I'd go for flyrants. In ITC tourney missions, scatbikes.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Versatility is only important when you can do several jobs really well. If you are simply mediocre at everything, then you are outright bad. See tactical marines.

That is why Plague Marines are far from being the best. They are quite tough, but they have very low damage output for their cost.

Exactly, Plague marines are no where near the best unit in 40k. Yes, they can hold an objective like a beast, but a Necron Immortal will also hold it almost exactly as well (5+ RP base, though easily bumped to 4+, and Ld10 instead of Fearless), but puts out a lot more relevant firepower for a lot lower cost. There's no unit in the game I'd rather have holding an objective than a unit of Immortals.

The only reason why the Necron bikes may be better is that they're faster, tougher, and have even better guns - but they don't have ObSec in a CAD.

Plague Marines get their FNP, T5, 3+, two Plasma Guns per squad, cancel out enemy charge bonuses, Poisoned melee and Fearless. That's an impressive bag of tricks for a turn-it-into-troop choice and there is nothing that I want to contest or take an Objective with more than Plagues while entirely nullifying the squad that tries to attack it. They are without a doubt a Force Multiplier able to stall squads worth a lot more with minimal effort,

Best value for its points?

FW or no, I think it's the Necron Wraith.

Absurdly resistant to any type of firepower (which can be drastically augmented simply through army construction) both quality and quantity, extremely fast and pay no attention to terrain, can engage any unit in the game with at least some degree of success, completely ignore morale, and are about as auto-pilot as you can get because they simply remove or ignore the vast majority of variables and concerns any player would have to deal with.

Windrider Jetbikes. Surprised more people didn't say them.

Lone Wolf with a Melta Bomb

The best way to settle this is, in my mind, choosing one per slot first, then comparing.

So, by HQ: Flyrants, farseers, Tigurius, Buffmander, Loth

Elites: Malanthrope, Death Company, Wraithguard, Riptide, Thunderwolves

Troops: Kataphron Destroyers, Immortals, Jetbikes, Gravbikes, Pink Horrors

Fast Attack: Warp spiders, Khorne hounds, Wraiths, Drop Pods, Destroyers

Heavy Support: Grav Cents, Dreadknight, Onager Dunecrawler, Broadsides, Dark Reapers

Lords of war: Wraithknight, Draigo, Imperial knight.

These are my top 5 for each slot (LoW gets 3 due to few options)

From here, what do you think is number 1 in each category? I would say flyrants, jetbikes, wraithguard, grav cents, Destroyers and WK are top of each category. Thoughts?

Death Company.

 jifel wrote:
The best way to settle this is, in my mind, choosing one per slot first, then comparing.

So, by HQ: Flyrants, farseers, Tigurius, Buffmander, Loth

Elites: Malanthrope, Death Company, Wraithguard, Riptide, Thunderwolves

Troops: Kataphron Destroyers, Immortals, Jetbikes, Gravbikes, Pink Horrors

Fast Attack: Warp spiders, Khorne hounds, Wraiths, Drop Pods, Destroyers

Heavy Support: Grav Cents, Dreadknight, Onager Dunecrawler, Broadsides, Dark Reapers

Lords of war: Wraithknight, Draigo, Imperial knight.

These are my top 5 for each slot (LoW gets 3 due to few options)

From here, what do you think is number 1 in each category? I would say flyrants, jetbikes, wraithguard, grav cents, Destroyers and WK are top of each category. Thoughts?

A pretty good breakdown. I think some HQ's should be removed or added to the list but the top HQ is there.

Tyrant
Jetbikes
WG
drop pods
Grav Cents
Wraithknight

 Xenomancers wrote:

 jifel wrote:
The best way to settle this is, in my mind, choosing one per slot first, then comparing.

So, by HQ: Flyrants, farseers, Tigurius, Buffmander, Loth

Elites: Malanthrope, Death Company, Wraithguard, Riptide, Thunderwolves

Troops: Kataphron Destroyers, Immortals, Jetbikes, Gravbikes, Pink Horrors

Fast Attack: Warp spiders, Khorne hounds, Wraiths, Drop Pods, Destroyers

Heavy Support: Grav Cents, Dreadknight, Onager Dunecrawler, Broadsides, Dark Reapers

Lords of war: Wraithknight, Draigo, Imperial knight.

These are my top 5 for each slot (LoW gets 3 due to few options)

From here, what do you think is number 1 in each category? I would say flyrants, jetbikes, wraithguard, grav cents, Destroyers and WK are top of each category. Thoughts?

A pretty good breakdown. I think some HQ's should be removed or added to the list but the top HQ is there.

Tyrant
Jetbikes
WG
Wraiths
Grav Cents
Wraithknight

FTFY

maybe a bit unorthodox but i'd probably say drop pods. They're silly cheap, reliable because of intertial guidance, and give tremendous boost to so many (Imperial) units. Its a good thing all the other space faring races haven't figured out how to fall to the ground in a metal box yet.

JubbJubbz wrote:
maybe a bit unorthodox but i'd probably say drop pods. They're silly cheap, reliable because of intertial guidance, and give tremendous boost to so many (Imperial) units. Its a good thing all the other space faring races haven't figured out how to fall to the ground in a metal box yet.

Where is your god emperor now?

 Kain wrote:

JubbJubbz wrote:
maybe a bit unorthodox but i'd probably say drop pods. They're silly cheap, reliable because of intertial guidance, and give tremendous boost to so many (Imperial) units. Its a good thing all the other space faring races haven't figured out how to fall to the ground in a metal box yet.

Where is your god emperor now?

Both still aren't as good as the original drop pod

Necron Warriors in a Decurion.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Kain wrote:

JubbJubbz wrote:
maybe a bit unorthodox but i'd probably say drop pods. They're silly cheap, reliable because of intertial guidance, and give tremendous boost to so many (Imperial) units. Its a good thing all the other space faring races haven't figured out how to fall to the ground in a metal box yet.

Where is your god emperor now?

Both still aren't as good as the original drop pod

I don't know about the Tyranid one since I've never played against it and I don't own nids but the chaos dreadclaw has almost none of the mentioned strengths of the loyalist drop pod. It's not reliable, its not cheap, its not dedicated, and it eats occupants. Don't get me wrong I think the dreadclaw is swell unit but its really more just a flying assault transport as opposed to the falling metal boxes and is far from the game changer that the drop pod is.

JubbJubbz wrote:
maybe a bit unorthodox but i'd probably say drop pods. They're silly cheap, reliable because of intertial guidance, and give tremendous boost to so many (Imperial) units. Its a good thing all the other space faring races haven't figured out how to fall to the ground in a metal box yet.

For now. That could change come the new SM Codex, particularly if it gets a significant points increase.
But you know, Wraithknights became better despite being good so Idk what to expect.

The humble guardsman platoon. Though he may die a horrible death far from his home a guardsman stands at the forefront of almost every imperial conflict.
He can carry archaic weaponry able to burn through even the strongest armors, drove into a devotional frenzy to fear nothing, bunker down and lay down heavy fire, following orders of the commander perform exceptional feats of discipline, the list goes on.
Woe to those who would disregard the everyman fighting for his home.