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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

Hey guys and gals, since I had no luck in the tournament forum I'm here asking the same question.

What do you guys expect from a tournament, what kind of tournaments would you like to play, competitive, non, comp, whatever, I'm just trying to get a general idea of what the community likes.
   
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Fireknife Shas'el




Lisbon, Portugal

- Most well-written rules as possible. Try to balance the game within the realms of possibility.
- Not banning 2 Core formations from Decurion-style detachments
- No comp stuff. That hardly really helps and often penalizes armies like SoB.
- Judges well-versed in the rules.
- Penalize people who take too much time to do their turns (maximum time per player turn)
- Limit the same dataslate/formation (1 of each instead of only 1 per the entire army)
- Have a good atmosphere. Albeit competitive by nature, try to create a light-hearted environment
- Penalize jerk behavior
- Have good food & drinks (no alcohol for driving people; no alcohol at all would be better)
- Easy contact with the authorities (and emergency, if it becomes necessary)
- Painting, Conversion and Gaming trophies

AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

Good list vector.
Thanks
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




-Fun
-no FW
-good prize support
-painting or converting not influencing how wins the game, although I have no problems with prizes for a separate painting cathegory
-the tournament being in a safe place
   
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Hellish Haemonculus






Boskydell, IL

-Painting and Sportsmanship being separate from overall scores.
-A variety of special rules, rather than playing the same damn thing
-Playing by the rules, rather than a bevy of house rules
-If all your house rules are designed to repeal 6th/7th Ed changes, just play an older edition
-No house rules which ban codexes like harlequins or covens by default.
-Allow allies and formations, you know, like they do in the rules.
-Run Maelstrom missions from time to time

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Tunneling Trygon






-an actual system reflecting what the game is now
-TOs and players not scared of certain Detachments/Factions
-a printed or printable FAQ given beforehand to fix the issues in the rules clearly and without debate
-a tiered system of players with a 'lower division' and a 'high division' based on their actual list to encourage enjoyment from as many games as possible before lower division gets stomped on
-to lose horribly
   
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Hyperspace

-A comprehensive FAQ to fix rulebooms such as the Bomber That Cannot Bomb.
-Open-minded TOs and players.
-Special scenarios to promote a variety of lists rather than Centstar, Centstar, Convocation, SeerStar, SepTide, Centstar.
-Tier system?
-Points for painting and sportsmanship included in general scores.
-No major alterations to the current 7th edition ruleset, other than to patch above rulebooms.



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- All painted models have Preferred enemy "unpainted models" as well as any preferred enemies rules they may have.
- No unbound formation permited
- All mission are Maelstrom of War
- No Lord of War allowed
- No list no play
- All list must be approved by the TO days before the tournament
- A dice which is a little Bias is cork. No matter how much. If not flat on the field must reroll to avoid any argument.

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Regular Dakkanaut




- Balanced Rules/Factions

I'm a non-competitive player and don't play tournemants simply because of how obviously unbalanced everything is.
   
Made in br
Fireknife Shas'el




Lisbon, Portugal

 Xenophon00 wrote:
- All painted models have Preferred enemy "unpainted models" as well as any preferred enemies rules they may have.



AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
Made in gb
Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

The only rules change I can think of that we have implemented is that units may assault out of a stationary vehicle on a successful I test, otherwise it's pretty much rulebook.

So far we are discussing the following

1 allied detachment only
1 cad detachment only
1 lord of war only, must not be more than 25% of total army cost.
(1500pt tourney, no one wanted 3 knights or whatever turning up)
Painting and sportsmanship are part of overall score, bad results lower total score, non painted also lowers total score.
1 detachment only.
All army lists must be provided 1 week prior to the start of tournament, we are expecting a lot of people
   
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator






Hamburg

Frankly not much atm.
We've put our RTTs on hold.
Our players can't decide what format to use.
CADs, Low, superheavies, formations, bound or unbound.
These are the questions.

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Fireknife Shas'el




Lisbon, Portugal

 Formosa wrote:

1 detachment only.


so the decurion-style lists are forbbiden?

AI & BFG: / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion & X-Wing: CIS / WWX: Union

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
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Screaming Shining Spear





Northern California

 Vector Strike wrote:
 Formosa wrote:

1 detachment only.


so the decurion-style lists are forbbiden?

Nope. As per that codex (and Eldar/New Marines/Dark Angels) the entire Decurion counts as one detachment. It just has formations instead of the traditional FOC slots. This means that they can take an allied detachment if they have fulfilled the requirements of the Decurion and have enough points to spare.

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

 TheNewBlood wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
 Formosa wrote:

1 detachment only.


so the decurion-style lists are forbbiden?

Nope. As per that codex (and Eldar/New Marines/Dark Angels) the entire Decurion counts as one detachment. It just has formations instead of the traditional FOC slots. This means that they can take an allied detachment if they have fulfilled the requirements of the Decurion and have enough points to spare.


Basically yeah.
   
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Evasive Pleasureseeker



Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

1. Trophies/plaques instead of money/product for the main categories such as 'Best Overall', 'Best General', 'Best Appearance', etc...
I find this is the single best way to discourage and do away with 'mercenary attitudes' where players will go out of their way at times to be the world's biggest, flaming donkeycave in order to get that perfect 20-0 score, which tends to happen when actual money/monetary value is on the line.

2. Always have a Murphy's Luck award. It can even be something really silly-looking too, like a small crater with a pair of smoldering boots left & a fallen plasma gun! But seriously, nothing makes a crushing loss where the dice kicked you at every turn go over better, than knowing you can at least vie for the title of "most luckless player ever".

3. If you're offering up product, do them as door prizes, where your attendees can also buy additional tickets to help their odds of winning the item(s) they really want.
Hell, you can even turn into a fundraiser - for example, taking all the 'raffle payments' and using the pot to buy bags of food for your local food bank, or else around Xmas time, using the funds to buy a bunch of toys for toy drives, etc...



 
   
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I don't want to see ...

I personally feel intimidated by the thought of having to learn a ton of new rules in addition to what 40k already has, just to play at an event. Especially when those rules are different at every event. Plus things like comp systems and restrictions stigmatize players for preferring or fielding certain models, even if they chose them for fluff reasons or because they like the sculpt.

I'm also iffy on "best painted" or "best sporting behaviour" prizes, because they can become popularity contests. If one person's five buddies all vote for him, it doesn't matter if your three opponents had a great time getting beaten by you. I also feel weird giving "best painted" trophies to people who show up with pro painted models (when they aren't pro painters).

I do want to see ...

I would personally let players enter "competitive" or "narrative" brackets, so that they can self-segregate based on expectations. Having the winners of each round (within a bracket) play each other might also help ensure that everyone gets in a challenging game.

The competitive bracket would be fully RAW, using Maelstrom of War missions, and might have a more noteworthy prize. Meanwhile, the narrative bracket would use a bunch of fun scenario missions, maybe tied together in a campaign, and would have a few rules that encourage fluffy play (like the aforementioned Preferred Enemy: Unpainted Models thing).

Judges should also be trained in dealing with harassment (of any kind), and given examples of what constitutes unsporting or unwelcoming behaviour.
   
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What I want to see:

1) No comp scoring/limits. Comp is inherently a broken system that always causes way more problems than it fixes. If you're going to fix the game do it through point changes and modifications to individual unit rules, don't say "X is broken, but you can still take it and we'll just shame you for it".

2) No sportsmanship scoring. It's a nice theory, but it ends up with either everyone getting full points because only the worst offenses (which should get you kicked out of the event entirely) are acceptable reasons to lower a score, people getting mad about losing or being on the wrong end of a rules argument and getting revenge through the sportsmanship score, or TFGs giving everyone they play zero points no matter how the game went because it helps their chances of winning.

3) No idiotic bans on what is allowed. FW is part of the game. Formations are part of the game. Etc. If a particular formation/unit/whatever is too powerful then ban it specifically, don't put a blanket ban on whole categories of stuff. And do NOT give out special snowflake exceptions to blanket bans for certain people (for example, banning LOW but allowing knights).

4) No maelstrom missions. They're unbelievably terrible and have no place in competitive gaming. If you absolutely must include them because of high demand then at least make them a minority of the missions and/or secondary goals.

5) Strict painting requirements. I would prefer a complete ban on unpainted models, but at least do something like giving preferred enemy: unpainted to all painted models. If you refuse to paint your army then you should lose all of your games (if you're allowed to play at all) until you fix the problem.

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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Earth

Good stuff so far guys, keep it coming.

On the subject of faqs, or lack there of, what would you guys consider the best community faq?
   
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I used to think that sports scoring was more or less required to keep things light and fluffy. But a couple of the local recurring events removed sports scoring in favour of a general 'Don't be a dick' rule in the tournament rules package... and it works quite well.

Part of that is down to the local player base... the bulk of the tourney crowd here are all pretty easy going. So it possibly wouldn't work everywhere. But it's certainly worth a try, I think.


 
   
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There should be an overall score that includes painting and some form of sportsmanship score. (see below). Yeah, some people buy painted armies....

Sportsmanship.....I'm biased because in 13 years of playing in tournaments I won something like 15 of them in RTT's etc. I think it should count in some way. I suggest having everyone write down who the person that it was most fun to play against, and 1 gets 10 points, 2 gives the player 5 and 3 gives the player 3 points. I don't see how you can bugger someone too badly.

Unfortunately, people aren't in this hobby to...well...be good at the hobby. They want to use game pieces and play games, not paint and convert etc. So Best General is percieved as being the true winner of the tournament.

So in that regard....I second the call for giving trophies, not prizes or money etc. That way all awards are on an equal footing.

I also like the idea that painted armies get PE against unpainted models.

I will add that I once attended a tournament that was almost cancelled because people called up, asked what the prize was, and when told a trophy, said the tournament wasn't worth their time. Fortunately, enough people showed and we all had a great time.


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Jimsolo wrote:-Painting and Sportsmanship being separate from overall scores.
-Playing by the rules, rather than a bevy of house rules
-If all your house rules are designed to repeal 6th/7th Ed changes, just play an older edition
-No house rules which ban codexes like harlequins or covens by default.
-Allow allies and formations, you know, like they do in the rules.
-Run Maelstrom missions from time to time

Verviedi wrote:
-No major alterations to the current 7th edition ruleset, other than to patch above rulebooms.

Xenophon00 wrote:
- No unbound formation permited
- All list must be approved by the TO days before the tournament

Peregrine wrote:
1) No comp scoring/limits. Comp is inherently a broken system that always causes way more problems than it fixes.
2) No sportsmanship scoring.
3) No idiotic bans on what is allowed. FW is part of the game. Formations are part of the game.
4) No maelstrom missions. They're unbelievably terrible and have no place in competitive gaming.


All the above sound pretty good to me. Generally, I believe you should house-rule as little as possible, primarily only using house rules to clarify rules that weren't written well and therefore don't function at all, or where there is a valid argument about intention.

Formosa wrote:units may assault out of a stationary vehicle on a successful I test, otherwise it's pretty much rulebook.


Ouch, talk about a big F U to the Dark Eldar, who's primary advantage you just gave to every army in 40k, without them having the drawback of paper transports. I don't agree with making rules changes like this. There is no reason for it other than fanboyism, imo(ie, someone believes their army's transports should be assault transports). Dark Eldar are able to assault from their open-topped vehicles, but they pay for it by having AV 10 vehicles that suffer a +1 penalty on the vehicle damage chart. Being able to do this, even while stationary, out of AV12 or AV13 vehicles isn't fair. Those vehicles were designed with the thought that anything that was getting out of them to assault would have to be out in the open for a turn before being able to hide in melee. That's how the armies were designed and "balanced", whether you agree with GWs balance decisions or not. By changing this, it alters the balance of every single army in 40k, one way or another.

Formosa wrote:
1 allied detachment only
1 cad detachment only

1 lord of war only, must not be more than 25% of total army cost.
(1500pt tourney, no one wanted 3 knights or whatever turning up)
Painting and sportsmanship are part of overall score, bad results lower total score, non painted also lowers total score.
1 detachment only.

All army lists must be provided 1 week prior to the start of tournament, we are expecting a lot of people


I've struck through the house rules I dislike. I don't mind painting and sportsmanship scores being part of a tournament, but I think they should be a completely seperate part, rather than a part of the overall score. And if poor behavior/sportsmanship is taken to the extreme, it should be grounds to eliminate someone from a tournament altogether. Extreme being, being threatening of physical violence or things of that nature, NOT being "extremely annoying" or some other subjective BS that old boy's clubs will occasionally try to use to justify kicking someone they don't like from a tournament.

As for the rest, again, I'm of the opinion you should house rule as little as possible. Banning and limiting formations is silly. They're how the game is designed now, and as more and more books are released, it's going to be more and more difficult to play codices in a format that tries to artificially limit formations and detachments. I'd say ban unbound, limit players to a single gargantuan creature/superheavy, and leave it at that. I don't really like the idea of limiting 1 LoW because as soon as that becomes the accepted norm, they'll do something like release Asdrubael Vect and his Vice Wagon with both him and the wagon being a seperate LoW slot or something. It's just cleaner to ban what you really don't want to see, which is: Multiple GCs and Superheavies.





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There is NO SUCH THING as MORE ADVANCED in 40k!!! There are ONLY 2 LEVELS of RULES: Basic and Advanced. THE END. Stop saying "More Advanced". That is not a recognized thing in modern 40k!!!!
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