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Depending on how well Age of Sigmar does, do you think that GW would redo the rules for 40k into something similar to AoS?

I do see a few advantages to the new system that might work well with 40k.
   
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i will legit not move past 7th. as someone who generally dislikes when people refuse to move beyond one edition or another i straight up would not play it if it's anything like AoS.

The FLGS i work for is having me demo the game on monday and of the few i've already played, it's awful. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.

removal of EVERY magic discipline is bonkers. the game has about 2 general spells now not counting "warscroll specific" spells.

the only good to come from this is that all the rules and army info is free.
   
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 mondo80 wrote:
I do see a few advantages to the new system that might work well with 40k.


What are those advantages? Being so obviously terrible that nobody will ever play the game, and therefore the problem of not being able to afford to keep up with new rulebook releases will be solved? AoS is so unbelievably bad that the best thing GW can do is commit honorable suicide to cleanse the shame of publishing it, and never speak of the abomination again.

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die toten hosen wrote:
. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.


uuuuh, how do you roll a thirteen on 2d6?
   
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I would stick with 7th, for sure.

I still think they're going to be "JK GUYS! WARHAMMER: SERIOUS EDITION COMING JULY 31st!"

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The rules for 40k do need a re-write.
However there is actually a happy medium between 200+ pages of over complicated gak, and 4 pages of vapid and vague general idea of a game.

But they require the rules writers to communicate with the players in a meaningful way.And be free to write the rules for game play not short term sales.
Unfortunately that rules GW plc out...

Ideally the new 40k BATTLE GAME rules would be based on the resolution methods and game mechanics of good battle games.And come in at about 40 pages .

Core rules cover everything in a straight forward way, except special rules which cover actual special abilities.(Not just make up the short fall of the core rules on a regular basis.)

If the new game used direct representation of the stat values and compared opposed stat values for 2 resolution methods .Instead of the SEVEN 40k currently uses.
This would go a long way to streamline the rules , with out removing complexity from the interaction.






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 Crevab wrote:
die toten hosen wrote:
. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.


uuuuh, how do you roll a thirteen on 2d6?


You take fateweaver and he has a rule that lets him set a roll to anything he wants. Win turn 1.
   
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Makumba wrote:
 Crevab wrote:
die toten hosen wrote:
. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.


uuuuh, how do you roll a thirteen on 2d6?


You take fateweaver and he has a rule that lets him set a roll to anything he wants. Win turn 1.


Games not out and its already broken? lol

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I think they are more likely to just stat out some / all 40k stuff as Battlescrolls as uinvaders from another realm etc...............

Probably be fine

If you have been previously or are now allowing Fateweaver to change the resuts of dice rolls to any number in mathematics thats a bit sad.

Being so obviously terrible that nobody will ever play the game,


Thats obviously entirely incorrect and false as some people will play the game.

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 Johnnytorrance wrote:
Makumba wrote:
 Crevab wrote:
die toten hosen wrote:
. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.


uuuuh, how do you roll a thirteen on 2d6?


You take fateweaver and he has a rule that lets him set a roll to anything he wants. Win turn 1.


Games not out and its already broken? lol

the game is out all the rules can be downloaded.

Although I wouldn't call some of the stuff rules. Units getting buffed depending on your age or your opponent age. You need to keep stuff in your hand to use some abilities or have a beard, which clearly goes against female players. Not even in my wildest dreams could I imagine a system that bad.

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Please, God, no. Keep that abomination confined to the realm of fantasy.

Free rules is a smart move, though. I'd love see GW distributing free to download formation datasheets in the near future to push model sales or bolster outclassed armies (which usually lag behind in terms of sales, so it's really another side of the same coin). But if anything else spills to 40k, I'm out. Word.



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Free rules and streamlining sounded good at first but I wonder how some of the new rules would work for my armies.

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The one thing i find Good in the AoS rules, are with the Monsters models Wounds counts.

If the Monster is unarmed or has only lost 3 wounds, it fight as normal, when he is more wounded, he gets weaker.

He move a few inches slower, has 1 attack less on his profil per wound tier and if he cast spells, he can cast less and less spells.

This mechanic is ironicly a good balancing one for Monstruous creatures.

Something similar for 40k could balance out things like Wraithknights.

   
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I haven't been able to stomach reading through all of the AoS stuff yet, but from the bits and pieces I have read it's a classic GW case of "a few interesting ideas completely wasted by abysmal execution".

For example, shooting and melee now use the same mechanics, based on the number of attacks you have, just using a different weapon - interesting.

If I'm reading it right, each model gets to chose it's own target, meaning a unit can fire at multiple targets; something that fluffwise would make great sense in 40k, but potentially leads to a very slow, complicated game - mixed.

No recognisable system of game balance known to mankind - ???!!!

Edit for spelling fail.

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Outside the lack of points, I'd try it. At least it happened to Fantasy first - if GW is smart, it'll get the feedback and apply a better version to 40k, as updating fantasy again

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40k sales are doing better than Fantasy, so I assume they won't change 40k's rules too drastically and risk screwing that up.

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Lanrak wrote:
The rules for 40k do need a re-write.

Most of 40K's problems could be cleared up with a decent FAQ, but FAQs are the one 'hobby product' GW doesn't make.

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It would require a realy in depth faq to make IG good.
   
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If they did Age of the Emperor or whatever, I would not play it. I'd keep playing the last edition of 40k.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
If you have been previously or are now allowing Fateweaver to change the resuts of dice rolls to any number in mathematics thats a bit sad.


No, it's entirely in line with everything else in AoS. If you can get bonuses for talking to your model or dancing while you roll your dice then why shouldn't you be able to roll a 7 on a D6? If anyone whines about RAW with Fateweaver then the proper thing to do is direct them to every other stupid rule and tell them to STFU.

Thats obviously entirely incorrect and false as some people will play the game.


So the best response you have to offer is to nitpick over whether "nobody will play it" is literally true? Obviously a few people will play AoS, but hardly any of them will play it more than once or twice. And their numbers will be tiny compared to the number of people who will quit playing GW fantasy games entirely or keep playing previous versions of WHFB. And the same thing would happen if GW did a 40k version of AoS: virtually everyone would either quit playing or go back to an older version of the game.

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I'm sure GW is lamenting the loss of the last 7 WHFB players.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sure GW is lamenting the loss of the last 7 WHFB players.


I'm sure they are. The problem is that you've got tons of ex players who hopefully looked at the AoS PDFs in the vain hope of a return if done kind of quality. GW is starting to exhibit the levels of madness only seen in the final days of Roman emperors, Westerosi kings, or TSR.

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Makumba wrote:
 Johnnytorrance wrote:
Makumba wrote:
 Crevab wrote:
die toten hosen wrote:
. i bring a screaming bell as skaven and have rolled a thirteen in 3 of the five games i have played, essentially winning with a single dice roll.


uuuuh, how do you roll a thirteen on 2d6?


You take fateweaver and he has a rule that lets him set a roll to anything he wants. Win turn 1.


Games not out and its already broken? lol

the game is out all the rules can be downloaded.

Although I wouldn't call some of the stuff rules. Units getting buffed depending on your age or your opponent age. You need to keep stuff in your hand to use some abilities or have a beard, which clearly goes against female players. Not even in my wildest dreams could I imagine a system that bad.


Where can I find these things, I need to read it black on white in order to believe.

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DaPino wrote:

Where can I find these things, I need to read it black on white in order to believe.


http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/age-of-sigmar-compendiums

That's the new zealand site, but most of them should have it up.

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As I mentioned in the News thread, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 40K redone with almost identical rules to AoS, so that the two games can be played interchangeably... essentially 'combining' them in a similar way to Warmachine/Hordes, but with the ability to use 40K and AoS minis in the same army.

I don't think the fact that 40K sells better than WHFB did will save it, because I don't think that this shift is about current sales. It's about trying to plug their dwindling player base by shifting away from the traditional wargame model to something more akin to MtG with miniatures.

 
   
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I wonder what kind of a people they want to make pick up the game. It can't be the warmahordes or other skirmish games players. The starter armies cost a lot compering to other games, even if they take just the minimum sized units in the formations.

I don't know who is suppose to play the game. If someone just wants to have some laughs, it easier to play a draft or buy a starter of malifaux or infinity. I hope GW has good buissness advisors.
   
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Guys, it's... it's a game where having a large enough moustache gives you combat bonuses. If you're complaining about the rules being silly, I think you've missed the point.


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 insaniak wrote:
It's about trying to plug their dwindling player base by shifting away from the traditional wargame model to something more akin to MtG with miniatures.


If they did that it would be a huge improvement. But sadly AoS has nothing to do with MTG.


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Wyldhunt wrote:
Guys, it's... it's a game where having a large enough moustache gives you combat bonuses. If you're complaining about the rules being silly, I think you've missed the point.


No, we've got the point. We just think that the point is incredibly stupid, and GW's willingness to release such a shamefully bad product says very bad things about their competence at running a business.

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 Peregrine wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
It's about trying to plug their dwindling player base by shifting away from the traditional wargame model to something more akin to MtG with miniatures.


If they did that it would be a huge improvement. But sadly AoS has nothing to do with MTG.

I wasn't talking about the quality of the rules or gameplay, just the basic structure of the setting up an army, which is far more like a CCG than a 'normal' wargame.

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