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There is a petition going around, I HIGHLY suggest you read it
Here's the link
https://www.change.org/p/games-workshop-limited-refocus-your-business-model-on-the-sale-of-a-game-and-support-of-a-gaming-community-vice-the-pure-sale-of-collectible-miniatures

It's a bit old news. We had a couple threads on it 6-9 months ago.


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October 2014. Found it.

No doubt it's old, but if you look they're close to completing it.
118 people is not a lot.
But point taken, I should assume it's been on here a couple times

Franky, that is business.

Everyone wants to make a profit, and if they don't whats the fecking point?

The petition says something about them selling miniatures globally and at a profit like it is a bad thing, but news flash, that is how business works, you make product, and hopefully sell said product at a profit so you can make money, capitalism.

but that is just me getting that out of the way, and has nothing to do with my final argument under this.

privateer press, the second biggest tabletop company from what I understand, they are also in a similar niche as GW.

their minis are about similar price as GW minis, maybe on the cheaper end. However Warhammer 40k is a large battle game, and warmachine is more of a skirmish game, meaning we have to buy more miniatures for 40k compared to warmachine. Also all the GW models are freakin amazing, and honestly, from the little experience I have with warmachine, their minis really suck.

My point: It is not fair to say that GW's models are too expensive. Mainly because there is not a fair standard yet to compare GW minis to any other company's. Also, you do not know how much it costs to create a single kit, the design and production costs may be much higher than you expect.

I am not saying the hobby is not expensive, it really, really is, and quite hard to afford most of the time, that does not mean that there is an issue with that knowing what we do about GW, and not knowing what we know about GW.

no disrespect, I mean this entire post with no intention of insulting to attacking anyone, moreso to get my opinion out there.

happy wargaming,

-Mikey

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
No doubt it's old, but if you look they're close to completing it.
118 people is not a lot.
But point taken, I should assume it's been on here a couple times

Almost 15k signed it

 Chute82 wrote:

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
No doubt it's old, but if you look they're close to completing it.
118 people is not a lot.
But point taken, I should assume it's been on here a couple times

Almost 15k signed it

Which is a tiny, tiny number...
It's pretty laughable.

@gummyfallbears, couldn't have said it better man,
Other person, I know how many signed it, they only needed 118until tthey met theit goal,
Other other person, it may be laughable but it's a start

I signed it for giggles.

You can sign a petition or use global capitalism. Guess which one works ?

EBay has lots of GW models for cheap. Don't buy the models from gw and eventually, GW will start to modify or die off. Read that any way you like.

Anyway, while you are signing that, start another that wants a death star built or Snowden to be allowed to come back to the US. They have a much higher chance of doing something.

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
There is a petition going around...

And that's where I stopped reading. Why do any of you take this stuff seriously? The only external influence that has had any impact on GW was the lawsuit against Chapterhouse, and GW's pricing structure isn't what was influenced.

As long as people keep buying, GW will keep selling at maximum price per model they think the market will bear.

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
There is a petition going around, I HIGHLY suggest you read it
Here's the link
https://www.change.org/p/games-workshop-limited-refocus-your-business-model-on-the-sale-of-a-game-and-support-of-a-gaming-community-vice-the-pure-sale-of-collectible-miniatures

Sorry, but this isn't going to do a darn thing, even if you get 100,000 people to sign it. Of course everyone wants cheaper prices.

GW ignores gamers. They also ignore their "retail partners". They aren't listening.

And they are quite immune to any logic used by any other business. You just have to look at their "non advertising" to see that.

They don't care.

 Lorizael wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
No doubt it's old, but if you look they're close to completing it.
118 people is not a lot.
But point taken, I should assume it's been on here a couple times

Almost 15k signed it

Which is a tiny, tiny number...
It's pretty laughable.

Oh look, let's ignore context. In the universe of the tabletop gaming community I'd say that number is pretty damn big.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
No doubt it's old, but if you look they're close to completing it.
118 people is not a lot.
But point taken, I should assume it's been on here a couple times

Almost 15k signed it

Which is a tiny, tiny number...
It's pretty laughable.

Oh look, let's ignore context. In the universe of the tabletop gaming community I'd say that number is pretty damn big.

So, chatting to my local store manager, he serves around 20 individuals a day and he's a middling store apparently. So 20 is a good average. Across 420 stores worldwide, GW retail stores serve roughly 8,400 customers per day.
So the signatories on that petition don't even represent 2 days of GW customer count in it's stores. If we add in Direct and independent stockists, that customer count number goes up hugely.

It could be 150k signing it and it'd have the same effect.

There are a number of ways you can buy GW for less that RRP. Most stores kick it out for cheaper, and eBay has a load of good offers.

If those same 15k all bought from eBay it'd have 100% more effect on GW. but they won't, so GW will continue to make money. Which is good or bad depending on what side of the fence you sit on.

 Lorizael wrote:
So, chatting to my local store manager, he serves around 20 individuals a day and he's a middling store apparently. So 20 is a good average. Across 420 stores worldwide, GW retail stores serve roughly 8,400 customers per day.
So the signatories on that petition don't even represent 2 days of GW customer count in it's stores. If we add in Direct and independent stockists, that customer count number goes up hugely.

If we assumed each of those customers were spending £25 on average (a box of marines), then that would already account for 2/3rds of GW's annual revenue.

But regardless, you also have to take into account how many customers actually knew about the petition. If (hypothetically) only 5% of GW's total customers knew about the petition, but 98% of those signed it, then you could extrapolate that 98% of customers would have signed it, had they known about it. Of course, GW's attitude to the internet is that it is just a hive of vitriol which does not represent a true cross-section of their customers.

I imagine it is probably a lot closer than they think, of course I don't know that, but then I'm not the one with hundreds of millions riding on it. They don't seem to know either, and they should know, because it's their business to know stuff like that.

the_trooper wrote:
You can sign a petition or use global capitalism. Guess which one works ?

EBay has lots of GW models for cheap. Don't buy the models from gw and eventually, GW will start to modify or die off. Read that any way you like.

Anyway, while you are signing that, start another that wants a death star built or Snowden to be allowed to come back to the US. They have a much higher chance of doing something.

They did, with the embargo.

I signed it, it's obviously a futile gesture but even if makes them pause and think for a moment it's worth it.

Couple of years ago Everton (soccer team in the UK) changed their crest design to something hideous, a petition with 24,000 signatures was submitted to the club calling for it to be scrapped.

It's impossible to gauge the actual global figure of support but we've got 550,000 Twitter followers so that petition arguably represented a small % of Everton supporters. Our match day capacity in the stadium is on average about 38,000.

Everton changed the crest back to something the fans actually wanted.

GW won't change their prices off the back of a petition but it might prompt a rethink, either way for the sake of 30 seconds time to fill it in it's not a big deal. This post took longer to type