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Sorry Styro, I don't know much about Space Wolves. It's an awesome model though. I'm sure your treatment will be fantastic!

Cool on the Tiger Claw, looking forward to seeing how you execute it.

My thoughts from your concepts- start with the base scheme over the whole model, exaggerate the shading a little around the trim and then paint some of the paint scratched off, i.e. go with something based on the original but with some way of highlighting the chaosy bits so they don't just look ignored.

Otherwise, the standard plus bronze camo with enough oxidation to not muddy the bronze and orange would look good,

All I know is that 7th is about 2+ Armour. Not much is different from a SM list just the HQ and Arjac.

Moslty my issue is with 7th ed missions. Is this balanced enough for all the missions?
This list was suggest to me. I've never played it before. I normally field a rhino rush list in 5th ed.

I tried 6th once and 7th I want to get back into, but the army lists seem so end less that I'm not sure if I should mix it up more

Well, they are kinda. Even if you don't go "unbound" there's almost no limit to the mixing and matching that can go on, especially among the Imperials.

Still, the Maelstorm Missions are a fun (optional) addition to the game and favor fast, flexible forces of strict gun-lines. Most of the old 6th edition power-house lists are still just that. Marines of any stipe are generally not top-tier... but you can put together a decent list if you pay attention to what you're doing. If you're playing with smaller local group or friends, you might not have to worry too much about the 7th edition meta. I guess the nice thing about all the mixing going on with the Imperials is that you can make marines a viable part of a very competitive army, even if your dex isn't the best.

I haven't read much on the new SW dex. You might poke around the dakka tactica areas and see if you can pick up some ideas. (if you haven't already)

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Cool on the Tiger Claw, looking forward to seeing how you execute it.

My thoughts from your concepts- start with the base scheme over the whole model, exaggerate the shading a little around the trim and then paint some of the paint scratched off, i.e. go with something based on the original but with some way of highlighting the chaosy bits so they don't just look ignored.

Otherwise, the standard plus bronze camo with enough oxidation to not muddy the bronze and orange would look good,

What do you recommend to shade the orange with? I know I want to do an final Oil Wash of burnt umber to dirt and grime it up. but I need a medium shade that wont turn the model brown. A sepia wash? or Air brush darker orange from below?

Looking through Iceangel's work I found this:


I think the dark shading might make the detail still pop. But I think I might forgo the Camo I think it will make it to busy.

Or I might even go Tiger Claws


I Just found this blog
http://bloodybeast.com/2013/12/astral-tigers-skull-fangs-leader/

And i found Buy painted Astral Claws



I think I'm starting to answer my own questions here lol




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 Gitsplitta wrote:
Well, they are kinda. Even if you don't go "unbound" there's almost no limit to the mixing and matching that can go on, especially among the Imperials.

Still, the Maelstorm Missions are a fun (optional) addition to the game and favor fast, flexible forces of strict gun-lines. Most of the old 6th edition power-house lists are still just that. Marines of any stipe are generally not top-tier... but you can put together a decent list if you pay attention to what you're doing. If you're playing with smaller local group or friends, you might not have to worry too much about the 7th edition meta. I guess the nice thing about all the mixing going on with the Imperials is that you can make marines a viable part of a very competitive army, even if your dex isn't the best.

I haven't read much on the new SW dex. You might poke around the dakka tactica areas and see if you can pick up some ideas. (if you haven't already)

ha ha I dont even know what "unbound" is. I guess what it come down to is Im getting ahead of myself. I dont know the rules I no longer now how things work. I guess what I really want to know is. Is there anything in this list that would be a waste of time to paint? I enjoy painting but it kinda sux spending time on a model to only sit on the shelf and not use it. Like possesed marines or whirlwinds. They look pretty cool but in the end they are useless

To start this list I need to make a longer "to do" list

Rune Priest (i dont have one)
Arjac (convert a Chaos Termie)
5 Chaos Terminators ( I have 20 of them but no thunder hammers and shields)
Finish my Landraider I started a long time ago
Finish my Rhino
Paint another rhino
buy a Lascannon Marine
paint 2 Predators

Some units that I know are good for marines (not sure if they're in the SW dex) are...

bikes
drop pods are back (from a tactical perspective)
thunderfire cannons
centurions

Thats a start. it went through your Batrep. Its good to see you using your bikers and pods.

Not sure what centurions are, but they look bad ass. Can a squad of termies take them down?

Are Preds good again? Im not a fan of mixing my Long Fangs. Do 2 HB and 2 LC work?

 Styrofoam04 wrote:


In the mean time, I started a test model for a lost unit of Astral Claws in the maelstrom.

Spoiler:

Now I'm trying to go for the orginal pattern of the Astral Claws. But i think that there is soo much detail in this model that i'm not sure I can pull it off. Few options are:

paint the whole thing orange then add the camo and ignor the detail.

Or only have the large parts of the armour orange and the trim Black with no camo.

Or should I go with orange and bronze trim with camo

Any other Ideas are welcome too

Reference:

Spoiler:

I really like IceAngel's Astral claws. but I'm looking for more dirty and pure evil with a twist of the Maelstrom to it. As they have been lost of 100 years or so in the torment. tAs they have truely to the powers of Chaos.

Im really at a loss and not sure where to go from here.

Perhaps you could do the entire model in the yellow/orange colour, do the trim in a brass/bronze metallic (so it's not too contrasting with the base colour) then do the black tiger stripes in the flat areas between the trim?

So I sat down at my desk and picked up the mini and stared at it for 20 mins..then put it down.

I ended up playing with the oyumaru stuff again. I cant say it enough this stuff is awesome!! Some of my molds that I made was pretty decient. If I made the mold with rubber i would accept the quality. Instead I made it better. Two part mold and the 2nd part wasn't getting under some areas. So I did some cutting to match the mold line of the piece. Took all the srcaps and the top part, remelted and made a new top mold. It took a few tries and my finger tips are burnt and raw, but the new mold turned out perfect.

Pics?

I'm hesitant posting pictures of copies of sculpts that I didn't do. The oyumaru is clear and you cant see any details.
If you are interested I can send you a PM with pics

Please, I'm curious.

so I tightened up my list and Im happy with it now

HQ (145pts)
Ulrik the Slayer, (he will be in the LRC as well)

Elites (615pts)
Arjac Rockfist, (with his shield brothers)
WG Terminator Leader w/ Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
4x WG Terminator w/ Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Land Raider Crusader: Multi-melta

Troops (410pts)
10x Grey Hunter: 2x Plasma Gun
Rhino
10x Grey Hunter: 2x Plasma Gun
Rhino

Heavy Support (330pts)
4 Long Fangs 2x Long Fang w/ Heavy Bolter, 1x Long Fang w/ Lascannon
Predator 2x Lascannons, Autocannon
Predator 2x Lascannons, Autocannon

So I started working on Ulrik the slayer ... but I dont have one! I want him to be respesented by one of Huron's Chaplains. i will prolly have to do some research on this to find a match. Someone must be training new recruits the ways of the Space marine!

I still haven't fully decided on this yet but I was thinking of using this guy as a count-as Ulrik


The reason Im on the fence is:
First off I dont think im going to repaint it black.
And 2nd is the weapon, I understand that it is not a Crozius Arcanum, but If I squint my eyes it kinda looks like one. Converting it wouldnt be too hard but i really like the model. So this may only be temporary fix.

Moving on. I went throught all my bitz looking for a skull head and after no luck I decided to make my own!
I want a 3/4 coverd helmet with the "visor" area a skull. I want the chin and mouth exposed. This might be beyond my skill but here goes.

I started by picking a head...


... and shaving it.


I havn't decided if I want to keep the ponytail or not. But the head looks pretty cool bald.

Next up is to make a mold of a skull and green stuff it. i picked this skull. Mostly because its square looking.


I'll let you know how it turns out

Ambitious... I like it!

The list looks like it would be fun. Not sure on the long fang unit to be honest though, they don't have much punch to them anymore. I would consider changing them for another pred, that would make your entire force mobile which is fantastic for maelstrom missions as the preds can now take objectives. If you had the points and cash and played with FW then a Sicaran to go with preds would be nice.

Thanks GiraffeX, I have over 20 termies and I never really got to use any of them. So I'm hoping it will tons of fun. Ya I dissappointed in Long fans too. I had 15 ML ones and now they are expensive and not even that great. So I dusted off the Predators. I had to google the sicaran battle tank... that thing look awesome! gotta save my pennies (I guess its nickels now)

How many points is it?

Soo I was up to the wee hours trying to get this stupid Green stuff to work! I got to say I was getting pretty Angry! Nothing was working right. The shape of the skull kept getting messed up. For a while i couldn't win..I must have dropped it like a 100 times. each time getting more angry. Another thing that kept bugging me was the ponytail! it kept getting in the way and every time I get the skull on it would always be crooked...evertime. So after throwing the piece across the room, I grabbed different head. I'm not sure where I got it from, but its the frankenstein looking head:




Normally when I get to this point, I stop for the day and try again another time. But I hate wasting green stuff and it was starting cure. Thats when the green stuff got harder and less sticky. Then it got easier. I got the front finished and I let it cure all night. I took a quick shot before work:

you can still see his frankenstein hair on the sides.


Thanks for reading. C&C are welcome

Styro that looks awesome! Sweet GS skills.

Major kudos my friend.... that skull plate is amazing!

Thanks guys. Its a shame I couldn't get the screaming head to work. oh well. maybe I can make a copy of this one when I'm done and try again.

I still have to do the back of the head and make it look like a helmet

I got some more work done on the Chaplain Helmet. It didn't turn out how I orginally planned. I wanted a skull mullet. lol. Skull in the front and helmet in the back. But as I was sculpting the shape kept looking like a skull. So eventually I gave up fighting it and made it all skull. cracks and all.






What I need to do next is add an helmet ear piece on the left to match the right and beef the bottom helmet ridge

C&C are welcome

Great job on the skull helmet
Cant wait to see more!
Grtz
Mark

Superb work my friend!

Great sculpting, I did have a flashback to the 1988 movie Willow's bad guy

Ha ha Willow... I kinda want to watch that again

Little update. I added a helmet side ear piece to the one side of the head to match the otherside. but then it ended up looking uneven. so I made the other side larger. and I primed it.

I went on the you tube to look for painting ideas when I came across thid video




and after one of these =>

I remembered that I have this model. Its in my Dark Vengence set...So i had a chaplain helmet the whole time!!

He also has a Crozius Arcanum, which I might cast

Side note: I bought some Milliput superfine to try on a push mold. I mixed in some green stuff to give it more flexability. My first attempt failed badly. I forgot to put talc powder on the mold and it got pretty sticky.
My second test turn out amazing. I went with 50:50 milliput and green stuff. the detail was amazing and its not brittle as pure milliput or rubbery like green stuff

Here is the custom Chaplain head on the body for scale. Let me know what you think?

Looking pretty good Styro! Good to have you back

Looks very good Styro.

That skull is sick!