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 Furyou Miko wrote:
You can do that with the Maynarkh list, you don't have to upgrade Scarab Swarms to Charnel Scarabs.

With the main codex, I'd like to be able to choose between the machine munching scarabs and the flesh eating variety.

I think it's weird they can chew through ceramite armor and have greater difficulty wounding the flesh underneath. I'd actually prefer scarabs that were good at both, but that would probably bump their points up too much.

Necron Disruption Fields have always had a strangely different effect on flesh than on metals, even since 2nd edition.

Honestly I just want their CC options to become decent enough that they can finally stop calling themselves a purely shooty army.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Honestly I just want their CC options to become decent enough that they can finally stop calling themselves a purely shooty army.

Especially since our shooting is very mediodre.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
You can do that with the Maynarkh list, you don't have to upgrade Scarab Swarms to Charnel Scarabs.

With the main codex, I'd like to be able to choose between the machine munching scarabs and the flesh eating variety.

I think it's weird they can chew through ceramite armor and have greater difficulty wounding the flesh underneath. I'd actually prefer scarabs that were good at both, but that would probably bump their points up too much.

A thousand times, this. Give us two options of Scarabs. Plus, your point also brings up another point I like to bring up about inconsistency in this game. Our Gauss rifles can strip a Land Raider with ease, but literally CANNOT touch a Wraithknight, simply because it's not a "vehicle". Something is wrong there.

Ok guys, a friend just pointed out a factor previously overlooked, that the Monolith (RAW) has a DS protection, alongside all other skimmers

http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/10/40k-rules-conundrum-new-dark-eldar-meta.html

 IHateNids wrote:
Ok guys, a friend just pointed out a factor previously overlooked, that the Monolith (RAW) has a DS protection, alongside all other skimmers

http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/10/40k-rules-conundrum-new-dark-eldar-meta.html

There's been an entire thread discussing why, apparently, it doesn't work. I think it does, but most people will argue otherwise. Therefor, no, it doesn't.

 adamsouza wrote:

A thousand times, this. Give us two options of Scarabs. Plus, your point also brings up another point I like to bring up about inconsistency in this game. Our Gauss rifles can strip a Land Raider with ease, but literally CANNOT touch a Wraithknight, simply because it's not a "vehicle". Something is wrong there.

Yeah,. what's wrong is that when they copy-pasted the Gauss rule from the previous book, they forgot the last sentence that states that it always wounds on a 6 as well.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

A thousand times, this. Give us two options of Scarabs. Plus, your point also brings up another point I like to bring up about inconsistency in this game. Our Gauss rifles can strip a Land Raider with ease, but literally CANNOT touch a Wraithknight, simply because it's not a "vehicle". Something is wrong there.

Yeah,. what's wrong is that when they copy-pasted the Gauss rule from the previous book, they forgot the last sentence that states that it always wounds on a 6 as well.

Yeah, would at least help with some things, mainly the Wraithknight.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Ok guys, a friend just pointed out a factor previously overlooked, that the Monolith (RAW) has a DS protection, alongside all other skimmers

http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/10/40k-rules-conundrum-new-dark-eldar-meta.html

There's been an entire thread discussing why, apparently, it doesn't work. I think it does, but most people will argue otherwise. Therefor, no, it doesn't.

Iirc, it's because Deep Striking isn't a move, it's a deployment.
Or something like that, anyway.

Yeah, the same logic that lets Deathmarks use their Hunters from Hyperspace rule when deep striking prevents the Monolith from gaining inherent deepstrike protection.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
Ok guys, a friend just pointed out a factor previously overlooked, that the Monolith (RAW) has a DS protection, alongside all other skimmers

http://spikeybitsblog.com/2014/10/40k-rules-conundrum-new-dark-eldar-meta.html

There's been an entire thread discussing why, apparently, it doesn't work. I think it does, but most people will argue otherwise. Therefor, no, it doesn't.

Iirc, it's because Deep Striking isn't a move, it's a deployment.
Or something like that, anyway.

It's more that, before you arrive (and have moved) you must mishap. Only one poster was trying to argue that somehow these two events occur St the same time.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yeah, the same logic that lets Deathmarks use their Hunters from Hyperspace rule when deep striking prevents the Monolith from gaining inherent deepstrike protection.

Deathmarks need to not scatter when they deep strike. That would be fluffy.

On the other hand, it might be nice if there was one unit that actually obeyed the deep strike rules.

That is true, it's not really enjoyable when you have mechanics that are ignored by everyone.
Leadership was a big offender in this one: Losing morale is really strong, so most armies are practically immune against it. So why have it in the first place?

In my opinion Deathmarks would be fine if they actually had Interceptor, it would really fit them.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yeah, the same logic that lets Deathmarks use their Hunters from Hyperspace rule when deep striking prevents the Monolith from gaining inherent deepstrike protection.

Deathmarks need to not scatter when they deep strike. That would be fluffy.

I'd only agree to this as long as only THEY get marked, rather then crypteks attached to them with 2+ AP2 flamers.

Problem is, the Abyssal Staff is useless without the cheesy 2+ boost.

Personally, I think the fix for that would be, instead of "wound on a 2+", it was "Rends on a 4+". This A) reduces the need for the flamer because the whole squad is ignoring saves, and B) reduces the impact of the flamer by not having an AP2 weapon that doesn't roll to hit wound on a 2+!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Problem is, the Abyssal Staff is useless without the cheesy 2+ boost.

Personally, I think the fix for that would be, instead of "wound on a 2+", it was "Rends on a 4+". This A) reduces the need for the flamer because the whole squad is ignoring saves, and B) reduces the impact of the flamer by not having an AP2 weapon that doesn't roll to hit wound on a 2+!

The abyssal staff is hardly worthless. Its AP1 auto-hit template that IDs T4 models. Very solid tech against horde armies and anything really without a great invul save.

I agree, it's still a good weapon even without wounding on a 2+. Although, I think wounding on a 2+ would be fine were it not for fliers. If it had to deep-strike, then you'd be paying an extra 30ptd for the Veil and you'd have to risk scattering. The problem is when you can use a flier to safely deliver the unit virtually anywhere on the table with negligible risk.

In any case, it might be nice if it was S9 - since there seem to be a lot of high-Ld units around these days.

Also, as an aside, is there any point in the flamer being AP1 when it specifically can't hurt vehicles?

Its probably going to be a 4+ like all the recent neural weapons.

2+ never was that much of an issue. more that the unit could invasion beam in without scattering so was basicily riskless.

Im sure it wont be too big a deal once the Scythes get price increase.

 vipoid wrote:

Also, as an aside, is there any point in the flamer being AP1 when it specifically can't hurt vehicles?

Yeah, I never quite understood that myself.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yeah, the same logic that lets Deathmarks use their Hunters from Hyperspace rule when deep striking prevents the Monolith from gaining inherent deepstrike protection.

Deathmarks need to not scatter when they deep strike. That would be fluffy.

I'd only agree to this as long as only THEY get marked, rather then crypteks attached to them with 2+ AP2 flamers.

I specifically never use any Royal Court members with Deathmarks. I don't see how it makes sense fluff wise, and it's dumb IMO. I think they should just remove Deathmarks as a unit that can have them attached.


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 vipoid wrote:
On the other hand, it might be nice if there was one unit that actually obeyed the deep strike rules.

Considering I've heard people complain that Necrons have so much Deep Striking nonsense, but most other books that can DS things have protection from it, where as we have....hmm....Obyron? Thats it. We have no reduction to scatter, but have a good bit of Deep Striking. But the second we get something like that, everyone complains because only Imperium armies are allowed to have advanced DS-protection technology. Makes perfect sense to me.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Considering I've heard people complain that Necrons have so much Deep Striking nonsense, but most other books that can DS things have protection from it, where as we have....hmm....Obyron? Thats it. We have no reduction to scatter, but have a good bit of Deep Striking. But the second we get something like that, everyone complains because only Imperium armies are allowed to have advanced DS-protection technology. Makes perfect sense to me.

When I said that it would be nice if there was one unit that actually obeyed the DS rules, I actually meant one unit in the game.

It seems like every single sodding race has ways to just ignore the DS and/or Reserve rules - to the point where they seem more like a 'not-being-marines' tax on the few armies that don't have those methods.

I mean, we have utter nonsense drop pods - that can arrive automatically turn 1, can't scatter onto anything dangerous and let their contents move 6" after it deploys (otherwise, they might scatter out of melta range - the horror!). Space Wolves can bring in reserves automatically, GK formation lets them reduce scatter, even the new DE have an item that lets a unit deep strike without error.

I'd like to see this nonsense get removed, rather than every codex adding to it.

col_impact wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Problem is, the Abyssal Staff is useless without the cheesy 2+ boost.

Personally, I think the fix for that would be, instead of "wound on a 2+", it was "Rends on a 4+". This A) reduces the need for the flamer because the whole squad is ignoring saves, and B) reduces the impact of the flamer by not having an AP2 weapon that doesn't roll to hit wound on a 2+!

The abyssal staff is hardly worthless. Its AP1 auto-hit template that IDs T4 models. Very solid tech against horde armies and anything really without a great invul save.

It wounds against Leadership, so it would only Instant Death LD4 models, and anything it's worth using on, it's wounding on 5+ or 6+ natively.

 vipoid wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Considering I've heard people complain that Necrons have so much Deep Striking nonsense, but most other books that can DS things have protection from it, where as we have....hmm....Obyron? Thats it. We have no reduction to scatter, but have a good bit of Deep Striking. But the second we get something like that, everyone complains because only Imperium armies are allowed to have advanced DS-protection technology. Makes perfect sense to me.

When I said that it would be nice if there was one unit that actually obeyed the DS rules, I actually meant one unit in the game.

It seems like every single sodding race has ways to just ignore the DS and/or Reserve rules - to the point where they seem more like a 'not-being-marines' tax on the few armies that don't have those methods.

I mean, we have utter nonsense drop pods - that can arrive automatically turn 1, can't scatter onto anything dangerous and let their contents move 6" after it deploys (otherwise, they might scatter out of melta range - the horror!). Space Wolves can bring in reserves automatically, GK formation lets them reduce scatter, even the new DE have an item that lets a unit deep strike without error.

I'd like to see this nonsense get removed, rather than every codex adding to it.

Problem is deep striking is so horrifically bad if you need to actually do things, without the pinpoint precision it basically amounts to "How many points do you want to die or be tied up all game?"

Chaos daemons had an entire army of deep striking and were considered the bottom of the totem pole for years as a showing of how bad deep strike is and has been.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Problem is deep striking is so horrifically bad if you need to actually do things, without the pinpoint precision it basically amounts to "How many points do you want to die or be tied up all game?"

So then they should fix the deep-strike rules - not just give some armies the ability to ignore the DS rules, whilst others just get given a middle finger.

I would like Triarch Stalkers to have Dreadnuaght close combat weapons. Those front legs are huge, and should be good at impaling squishy flesh bag things that stand in it's way.

Or maybe even make it a chariot

 adamsouza wrote:
How about a Canoptek Super Heavy that spits out Canoptek Spyders, like Spyders spawn scarabs ?

Think about it GW, a $140 model that spawns $33 model that spawn models from a $36.25 box set.

A Spyder farm would require at least 5-14 spyders and more scarabs than I care to count

That is almost as genius as adding daemon summoning to the game!

Oooooh, make it able to ally with other armies like the knights can and BOOM! Creed is taking notes on your marketing genius!
It could look like one of those giant nasty bugs from starship troopers that shoots into space, but all necrony.

Why not give nights scythes a -6 to deep strike scatter roll? I mean, they do have a freaky teleporter thing on them, that has to count for something. Would be kind of fun to see some necron units having a deep strike rule. Wishlisting out the butt, but here it goes.

"This is our world"
Necron's with this special rule have the "deep strike" special rule. Furthermore, if a necron enters play using this special rule, they cannot scatter onto units or terrain, instead they arrive 1" away from them (just like drop pods) Units that have arrived like this have shrouded on the turn they arrive.

That would represent the battlefield being a tomb world, and necrons just popping up all over... though I am not sure if that is in the fluff anymore. Could be fun, maybe not the most practical, but fun.

umm...



Are you wishlisting or mocking my wishlisting ?

I know it won't happen, and I know its a good thing it won't happen, but Necrons should be immune to poison weapons...because logic.

 jasper76 wrote:
I know it won't happen, and I know its a good thing it won't happen, but Necrons should be immune to poison weapons...because logic.

Is it really out of the question?

I mean, Marines are immune to Morale and Fear-based weapons.