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I've been wanting to write a Mad Max fandex for a while, which would be all vehicle. The only problem is that an entire army with vehicles would be OP, even if it's all AV10/10/10. Is it possible to have vehicles with say AV8?

They blow up to bolter fire if use same pen, damage table + a bad role. etc but in theory might work. Armour would be pretty much paper

Though would the mechanics support it im not one to say

 jhe90 wrote:
They blow up to bolter fire etc but in theory might work.

Well that wouldnt be horrible if they were cheap enough.

The easiest way to do this, as i see it, is to make use of a lot of crappy vehicles (so 10/10/10 HP 2 etc) and then bikes, but instead of making them bikers like usual use the cavalry rules as you dont want to go into melee with a motorcycle.

Given there so ramshackle I guess you could add a limited regeneration rule?
Help them survive but still very weak armour

 jhe90 wrote:
Given there so ramshackle I guess you could add a limited regeneration rule?
Help them survive but still very weak armour

Lets see, 5++, 3 HP and IWND? id pay 25 points for that. You know thinking on it i wouldnt go below AV 9, as bolters could wound it as easily as a MEQ if its lower.

You know id use the Ork Warbuggy as a base for this, as they are cheap and fragile but pretty decent.

There's nothing in particular limiting AV to less than 10 it's just that GW doesn't seem to think anything that could be glanced with lasguns and penned with bolters would fit in with the other vehicles in the game.

 Grimmor wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Given there so ramshackle I guess you could add a limited regeneration rule?
Help them survive but still very weak armour

Lets see, 5++, 3 HP and IWND? id pay 25 points for that. You know thinking on it i wouldnt go below AV 9, as bolters could wound it as easily as a MEQ if its lower.

You know id use the Ork Warbuggy as a base for this, as they are cheap and fragile but pretty decent.

If my warbuggies had 5++ 3HP and IWND id pay a lot more then 25pts for it.

Anything AV10 dies to bolter fire, or god help you if your playing against Eldar players, they die in droves to Scat lasers.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Grimmor wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Given there so ramshackle I guess you could add a limited regeneration rule?
Help them survive but still very weak armour

Lets see, 5++, 3 HP and IWND? id pay 25 points for that. You know thinking on it i wouldnt go below AV 9, as bolters could wound it as easily as a MEQ if its lower.

You know id use the Ork Warbuggy as a base for this, as they are cheap and fragile but pretty decent.

If my warbuggies had 5++ 3HP and IWND id pay a lot more then 25pts for it.

Anything AV10 dies to bolter fire, or god help you if your playing against Eldar players, they die in droves to Scat lasers.

Thus the Invuln. I mean the all the Dredds in the Dredd Mob list have some sort of save (usually Invuln) and i think they cost the same as a normal one. I could be wrong on that though

If I remember correctly the lowest av we've had is 9 for the old genstealer cult limo, it was a chapter approved thing I think

Yeah, I would just stick with AV10. You can balance it out in other areas.

Yep, no reason to go below AV10.

AV10 all-around basically means that its completely unarmored, AV10 HP2 is tetra level durability, and I can tell you-even being a skimmer dosen't help the fact it dies when somebody looks in it's general direction.

AV10/10/10 models run as low as 20 points when the stats and weapons are low enough (see RnH sentinel a 10/10/10/2hp walker with BS2 and multilaser)

Anything lower than that might as well not exist.

If an A rmor V alue of 10 exists, an AV of 0 should exist too...

AV models of 10 are the lightly armored walkers and transports.
Civillian "badly armored with plates tacked on" an unarmored vehicles aren't impossible!

Maybe treat vehicles below AV as simple "movement upgrades", like jumppacks and "horses" of the IG Cavalry.

Make them affordable and don't offer any USR "pimp my ride" Options.
A mobility upgrade. But no saves or T+ .

If you don't go under AV10 it may be a bit OP against armies with massed S3 guns (I'm looking at you imperial guard).
Oh you're taking that army, half of my army is now just extra wounds for heavy weapon models.

Make half of the units AV10 and the other as "bike-types". So you have small buggies thats basicly T4 with a little better armour save.

Should be workable.

Yeah just give the smaller vehicles a toughness bonus to the troop driving them . If bikes confer +1, then no reason why a big half enclosed buggy couldn't add +2. There would have been a time when I'd have said that would be being inconsistent with other vehicles (in not having an armour value) but that went out the window when GW released their "non-walker walkers."

 Farstrand wrote:
Make half of the units AV10 and the other as "bike-types". So you have small buggies thats basicly T4 with a little better armour save.

Should be workable.

This is what I was going to say. There are already a precedent for bikes and machines that aren't treated as vehicles (I'm looking at you Riptide and Dreadknight). Also, just because Mad Max centers on vehicles, doesn't mean they don't fight once they are one the ground. Really a mad Max themed army would be somewhere between Orks meet Dark Eldar IMO.

 roflmajog wrote:
If you don't go under AV10 it may be a bit OP against armies with massed S3 guns (I'm looking at you imperial guard).
Oh you're taking that army, half of my army is now just extra wounds for heavy weapon models.

Doesn't stop some people running Armoured Battlegroup to basically have an army consisting entirely of AV14 tanks.

meh you could have a rule on the cheaper vehicals that 6's glance regardless of weapon strength

AV 10 = T6.

If you wanted to make lighter open top buggys, while they would likely be fine as open top AV10, you could instead look at them like bikes.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yep, no reason to go below AV10.

AV10 all-around basically means that its completely unarmored, AV10 HP2 is tetra level durability, and I can tell you-even being a skimmer dosen't help the fact it dies when somebody looks in it's general direction.

AV10/10/10 models run as low as 20 points when the stats and weapons are low enough (see RnH sentinel a 10/10/10/2hp walker with BS2 and multilaser)

Anything lower than that might as well not exist.

I wish my Ork vehicles with AV10/10/10 were all 20 points. I mean that might actually give me the opportunity to field my useless Dakkajets/burabomba/blitzbomba.

You could probably scrape a codex together using Ork Vehicles, and some sort of "Renegade Guard" infantry.

Really, it would just be cut and paste from those two sources.

Nothing stops you from going lower, but Ork Vehicles with their poor stats are already quite fragile, and fluffy based on their method of construction.

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Yep, no reason to go below AV10.

AV10 all-around basically means that its completely unarmored, AV10 HP2 is tetra level durability, and I can tell you-even being a skimmer dosen't help the fact it dies when somebody looks in it's general direction.

AV10/10/10 models run as low as 20 points when the stats and weapons are low enough (see RnH sentinel a 10/10/10/2hp walker with BS2 and multilaser)

Anything lower than that might as well not exist.

I wish my Ork vehicles with AV10/10/10 were all 20 points. I mean that might actually give me the opportunity to field my useless Dakkajets/burabomba/blitzbomba.

The ork planes are slightly stronger than a renegade sentinel.

For a fandex, just go gung-ho. If you want to have AV 9 or AV 8 vehicles, have them. Indeed, they would become vulnerable to syuff like lasgun fire, but who cares!? Your fandex, and when you're having fun with it, no loss there.
I always try to keep in mind that, even at AV 10, stuff like Ork trukks and buggies, or Space Marine Rhino sides, are still part of military vehicles. If you represent your fandex to include stripped dowm (or souped up) civilian vehicles, AV 8 or AV 9 doesn't sound offsetting, if just somewhat flimsy.

Then again, modern handguns can penetrate civilian vehicle chassis plating easily nowadays. Why should this be so different in your fandex?

In comparison of AV and toughness AV 10 is roughly equivalent to toughness 7. If you wanted to go lower in AV I would use that as your reference point.

 Matthew wrote:
I've been wanting to write a Mad Max fandex for a while, which would be all vehicle. The only problem is that an entire army with vehicles would be OP, even if it's all AV10/10/10. Is it possible to have vehicles with say AV8?

hilarious as it sounds to have an ultra-fragile vehicle you may want to counter that with alterations to damage effects - a civilian vehicle will never 'explode' it will be very easy to score an m-kill or even just shoot the occupants straight through it!

I believe I've seen some kind of FW civilian type vehicle profile that had armor 9 somewhere.... not sure if it was fan made tho....

AV <10 definitely exists. I can recall in an earlier rulebook, armour values were given for various buildings; if I remember correctly a tin shack or equivalent was AV9.