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Just curious on this. Taking a look at my Cult Mechanicus codex, I'm having trouble coming up with anything in the world that is actually worse than these piles of abject failure.

Taking a look at the numbers....

Cost: three more than a standard tactical marine. So a relatively elite, CC only unit. What do you get?

-Offensive power? 3 attacks on the charge, WS4, I3, S5 AP4, no grenades... Huh. So, slightly worse than that tactical marine in melee also considering their...

-Durability? T3, W1, 5++, feel no pain. Might as well forget about the fact that they can theoretically get a 3++, the odds of them actually getting to combat and kill it are astronomical, given that they'd be shredded by a first rank fire second rank firing 10 man guardsman squad. So, maybe they're more about the...

-Synergy? Well, there's exactly one independent character in the whole double-Mechanicus codex...thing, and he's hardly a beat stick. And there's no transports at all so they're kinda out of luck in this codex. Maybe...

-Allies? They're imperials, so we can is guess give them a land raider? A 600 plus point unit that fights with all the brazen fury of a ten man assault squad with no special weapons in melee, as long as their victims are not in cover or I4+

So are they actually the worst? I'm not sure. You can bug-pod Pyrovores in now, so they kind of lose out to them. Mutilators have the same ride and at least get 2+ armor. Rough riders are similar but can actually move faster than a snail. Can anyone come up with anything sadder?

They're stronger than Sisters Repentia with a better Save.

Blue scribes. Real bad. Cool model, cool fluff, waste of points. I could also say the changeling, but at least he can copy someone else's cool statline... Minus the weapon they wield, which leaves him stuck at ap-.

Thats all I can think of.


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One could make the changeling cost 20 points and I still doubt I would see him on the tabletop.

I don't think anything beats out the eight ounces of cold diarrhea in a six ounce Dixie cup that is Hellions.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I don't think anything beats out the eight ounces of cold diarrhea in a six ounce Dixie cup that is Hellions.

looks almost the same, but with 12" move. And in a Dex with cc synergy, and they have weapon options. I'm not convinced.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I don't think anything beats out the eight ounces of cold diarrhea in a six ounce Dixie cup that is Hellions.

IG Rough Riders? Tau Vespids?

 Psienesis wrote:
They're stronger than Sisters Repentia with a better Save.

Don't repentia have Eviscerators? As in, AP2? And rage and fleet and such?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
I don't think anything beats out the eight ounces of cold diarrhea in a six ounce Dixie cup that is Hellions.

looks almost the same, but with 12" move. And in a Dex with cc synergy, and they have weapon options. I'm not convinced.

CC synergy...

Weapon options...

Rough Riders though...ouch. That's rough too...

They don't need grenades, as their voltagheist field allows them to charge into terrain without initiative penalty.

Also, any roll of 6 to wound is considered instant death.

As for synergy, the canticle that gives all cult mechanicus units stealth and shrouding (if you have enough units) should help them survive the initial round(s), the canticle that creates extra auto HITS at initiative 10 should help them once they are in combat, and the canticle that increases their strength by up to 3 should help them hurt things they wouldn't otherwise be expected to. I feel the canticles are the strength of the Cult Mechanicus book, but, unfortunately, the ability to use them has been baked into the point cost of the units (how else do you explain the cost of the Electropriests? And to further illustrate my point, how broken would they be (keeping canticles in mind) if they were 10 or 12pts per model? 18 may be too much, but only by a little.)

I'm not saying they're great, and I doubt I'll be buying a ton of them for my Cult Mechanicum army, but they're not hot garbage.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They're stronger than Sisters Repentia with a better Save.

Don't repentia have Eviscerators? As in, AP2? And rage and fleet and such?

Yes, but they have to get there, and their Save sucks out loud. AP2 is nice, once they get to swing, but... I3.

 Voidwraith wrote:
They don't need grenades, as their voltagheist field allows them to charge into terrain without initiative penalty.

Also, any roll of 6 to wound is considered instant death.

As for synergy, the canticle that gives all cult mechanicus units stealth and shrouding (if you have enough units) should help them survive the initial round(s), the canticle that creates extra auto HITS at initiative 10 should help them once they are in combat, and the canticle that increases their strength by up to 3 should help them hurt things they wouldn't otherwise be expected to. I feel the canticles are the strength of the Cult Mechanicus book, but, unfortunately, the ability to use them has been baked into the point cost of the units (how else do you explain the cost of the Electropriests? And to further illustrate my point, how broken would they be (keeping canticles in mind) if they were 10 or 12pts per model? 18 may be too much, but only by a little.)

I'm not saying they're great, and I doubt I'll be buying a ton of them for my Cult Mechanicum army, but they're not hot garbage.

This, all this. The fact that they have AP 4 ID on a 6 weapons is pretty sexy, not 18 points sexy, but pretty nice nonetheless. I mean they will go before a unit of Bullgryns and may very well wipe the unit. Also since they run on Invuln saves instead of armor is pretty nice as well, if you can get it to a 3++, which means you need to fina unit of Scout equivalents and paste them, then you can go punch tacticals in the face.

Im not sure how good the Numinous Conclave is, but it looks like fun.

 Psienesis wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They're stronger than Sisters Repentia with a better Save.

Don't repentia have Eviscerators? As in, AP2? And rage and fleet and such?

Yes, but they have to get there, and their Save sucks out loud. AP2 is nice, once they get to swing, but... I3.

Eviscerators are Unwiedly so I1, and Repentia are only viable in a Landraider supported by a Divination Inquisitor and a Priest. Ok maybe you can chuck the Landraider but the Inquisitor and the Priest are pretty much mandatory. The Inquisitor gives them 4++ and the Priest lets them re roll it in melee. Then they are actually threatening.

 Psienesis wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They're stronger than Sisters Repentia with a better Save.

Don't repentia have Eviscerators? As in, AP2? And rage and fleet and such?

Yes, but they have to get there, and their Save sucks out loud. AP2 is nice, once they get to swing, but... I3.

I3? Oh you sillybilly.

Eviscerators are unwieldy, down to I1 for repentia!

I honestly don't think anything can beat out IG rough riders for worst unit

War Kitten wrote:
I honestly don't think anything can beat out IG rough riders for worst unit

Quoted for truth. Even the Krak Grenade on a stick doesnt make them good, if they where cheaper, maybe.

Honestly the priests sound not bad with the canticles.

BTW the i10 free hits one is a great invisibility counter.

Still better than Possessed.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Still better than Possessed.

I agree possessed are crud

With the enhanced shooting in the early rounds the Priests should not be having to charge full units. Charge any unit that has been reduced to two or three models and wipe it out in one round. Then enjoy that 3++.

My first reaction was to say Shining Spears, but then I went back and re-read the entry for Hellions. Those guys are terrible, worse than Mandrakes or Flayed Ones (both of which are better than Shining Spears).

Went back and re-read the OP. Yup. It's official: new worst unit in the game. Consider yourself lucky, Vespids!

We can give the Fulgurite Electropriests this trophy too!

Eviscerators are Unwiedly so I1, and Repentia are only viable in a Landraider supported by a Divination Inquisitor and a Priest. Ok maybe you can chuck the Landraider but the Inquisitor and the Priest are pretty much mandatory. The Inquisitor gives them 4++ and the Priest lets them re roll it in melee. Then they are actually threatening.

I wasn't even going to get into the particulars of how they work (I was also extremely under-caffinated) but, this right here is the problem with Repentia.

Yes, I1 (Unwieldy) and need a lot of extra allies to get down the field in order to wait patiently for their turn to swing those swords. Yes, Martyr's Gift can permit them to score a bucket of post-mortem kills, but then you're out of Repentia.... and spent a fethload of points just getting them to the fight in many cases.

You can drop the allies and try to weather a Turn or Two of shooting (and Overwatch) to get into melee, or hug cover and try to sneak up close before charging (yeah, right...) but, in the end, the deck is stacked very high against Repentia without a lot of investment elsewhere to allow them to close and do their job.

P-y-r-o-v-o-r-e-s.

Aren't they still badly-worded to set the entire battlefield on fire when they die?

From 1d4chan:

The Fulgurites have two things going for them. First, they have a high number of high Strength attacks that can cause Instant Death. This predestinates them for MC hunting and grabbing hold of those multi-wound Infantry units. Nobs and Tyranid Warriors for example happen to be absolutely terrified of the Electroleech Staff. Second, they can buff their Invul Save up to stupid levels by doing what they're best at anyway.
Keep in mind that the chance for these guys to actually wipe a unit rises exponentially the larger your unit is. Sure, 20 of them cost 360 points, but a 20 strong block of 3++ Fearless and Feel no Pain is pretty much impossible to bring down, especially since they are still Imperium and can hide all sorts of nasty Independent Characters.

They are far from the worst unit, and can actually be quite effective if you use them correctly imo.
If you use them to charge a firing line of guardsmen, well, let us just say that is not the smartest of tactics.

The stat line & point cost appeared to be similar to a vet sarge with a power maul. It looks fine, especially when you start adding all the canticles. The Mechanicum doesnt dominate the C&C phase. Oh well. Keep kicking butt in the shooting phase. While your shrouded.

 Red Marine wrote:
The stat line & point cost appeared to be similar to a vet sarge with a power maul. It looks fine, especially when you start adding all the canticles. The Mechanicum doesnt dominate the C&C phase. Oh well. Keep kicking butt in the shooting phase. While your shrouded.

Similar to a Veteran Sergeant with Power Maul, but with significantly less durability and survivability, no grenades, lower initiative, and no way to get into CC. They also have absolutely zero synergy with the rest of the army.

I stand by calling them the worst unit in the game.

 Psienesis wrote:

Eviscerators are Unwiedly so I1, and Repentia are only viable in a Landraider supported by a Divination Inquisitor and a Priest. Ok maybe you can chuck the Landraider but the Inquisitor and the Priest are pretty much mandatory. The Inquisitor gives them 4++ and the Priest lets them re roll it in melee. Then they are actually threatening.

I wasn't even going to get into the particulars of how they work (I was also extremely under-caffinated) but, this right here is the problem with Repentia.

Yes, I1 (Unwieldy) and need a lot of extra allies to get down the field in order to wait patiently for their turn to swing those swords. Yes, Martyr's Gift can permit them to score a bucket of post-mortem kills, but then you're out of Repentia.... and spent a fethload of points just getting them to the fight in many cases.

You can drop the allies and try to weather a Turn or Two of shooting (and Overwatch) to get into melee, or hug cover and try to sneak up close before charging (yeah, right...) but, in the end, the deck is stacked very high against Repentia without a lot of investment elsewhere to allow them to close and do their job.

No more Martyr's Gift, just a once per game 3+ FNP. Repentia are basically worthless, which saddens me. Also Fulgerites arent the worst unit in the game, they have a formation that makes them useful and they make decent allies to punchy armies.

no azreal is the worst hes a lord of war worse than most marine captains -.-

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Red Marine wrote:
The stat line & point cost appeared to be similar to a vet sarge with a power maul. It looks fine, especially when you start adding all the canticles. The Mechanicum doesnt dominate the C&C phase. Oh well. Keep kicking butt in the shooting phase. While your shrouded.

Similar to a Veteran Sergeant with Power Maul, but with significantly less durability and survivability, no grenades, lower initiative, and no way to get into CC. They also have absolutely zero synergy with the rest of the army.

I stand by calling them the worst unit in the game.

Feel free to stand behind your comments. Some of what you believe to be true is totally wrong, but keep on keeping on...

I think the changeling is wayyy worse than that electropriest.
For the points that is.

Hell no I've got you all beat on the worst
unit
It's. ......
Blood crushers