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So for 360 points you get garbage lol

I don't get it. That's a lot of firepower for 360 points.

Oh wait now I see it. S6 T6 LD8 on such a large creature. Ouch. Scatterbikes will mulch this thing.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I don't get it. That's a lot of firepower for 360 points.

Oh wait now I see it. S6 T6 LD8 on such a large creature. Ouch. Scatterbikes will mulch this thing.

like a 2+ save would be nice for it, but t6 with 6 wounds.. Everyone is going to 1 turn this thing

3+, 5+FNP, no Invulnerable save.

Dare I say it... this thing is... BALANCED!?!

Okay, about as balanced of a super-heavy Tau walker with 1,000,000+ guns can be, but still! I honestly was worried it'd be worse.

Weird to see a T6 Gargantuan though. Maybe the Mawloc and Trygon will get the GC treatment?

EDIT; Dman, looks like 8 wounds, not 6. It's not likely to be turn-1'd in regular games, though that is the goal - kill this turn 1 before it goes into "everything must die!" mode.

If you can keep it in cover (which is easy because it is a gargantuan creature), then it is pretty survivable with 8 wounds. It will only really have problems when high strength, high RoF weapons get spammed.

It will die quickly in assault, but if your opponent is assaulting this thing, then you are playing wrong. (Or possibly in a really different and inventive way which will surprise me.)

I think it looks like a powerful tool for high point games where you can field units to help protect this beast.


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Shouldn't all this be in the news and rumours section?

Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

drop pod army's.? Ad-meh.? Eldar.? Necrons.? Will all destroy this thing. Honestly it should have a 2+ save

Squadron that Stormsurge!

Nah but in all serious it is pretty good. 60" S10 AP2 Large Blast with Ignore Cover from Markerlights ruins anything it touches.

FnP on 8 wounds too. Pretty durable.

Nah, playing Tau has always taken more skill than playing Eldar

I'm with Dman here. It's easy to alpha strike that thing off of the board with it being 3+ and T6. Maybe it'll get some buffs with the Tau Decurion formation?

Dman137 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

drop pod army's.? Ad-meh.? Eldar.? Necrons.? Will all destroy this thing. Honestly it should have a 2+ save

Interceptor says hi to Drop Pods.
Necrons can't shoot it turn one they have to get into range.
Eldar probably could kill it in turn one, if they can get in range (it outranges all of their guns I think).

 Frozocrone wrote:
Squadron that Stormsurge!

Nah but in all serious it is pretty good. 60" S10 AP2 Large Blast with Ignore Cover from Markerlights ruins anything it touches.

FnP on 8 wounds too. Pretty durable.

assuming markerlights stay the same

Dman137 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

drop pod army's.? Ad-meh.? Eldar.? Necrons.? Will all destroy this thing. Honestly it should have a 2+ save

Drop pod armies destroy gunlines. That is the rock-paper-scissors nature of 40k, not the fault of the model. Good deployment tactics (bubblewrap) can help negate some of the damage done by drop pod armies and protect help preserve this model so that it can retaliate. Eldar destroy almost everything in 40k at the moment except for the cheesiest of cheeses, so no surprise there. How do necrons destroy this? I really am not sure how that happens.

I agree that this should have a 2+ armour save. It is a giant suit of armour. Except for a tiny guy somewhere in there, it is all armour.

 Frozocrone wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

drop pod army's.? Ad-meh.? Eldar.? Necrons.? Will all destroy this thing. Honestly it should have a 2+ save

Interceptor says hi to Drop Pods.
Necrons can't shoot it turn one they have to get into range.
Eldar probably could kill it in turn one, if they can get in range (it outranges all of their guns I think).

in the current meta of scattbikes that's 36" range gun that can move 12" and Fire so 48" that's one dead tau GC, don't get me wrong that's a lot of fire power it puts out, that thing going first will put some serious hurt, it's just that T6 3+ save that has me over here so confused


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 the Signless wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its hardly garbage. Its an artillery platform, it will be shooting from across the table with relative impunity.

drop pod army's.? Ad-meh.? Eldar.? Necrons.? Will all destroy this thing. Honestly it should have a 2+ save

Drop pod armies destroy gunlines. That is the rock-paper-scissors nature of 40k, not the fault of the model. Good deployment tactics (bubblewrap) can help negate some of the damage done by drop pod armies and protect help preserve this model so that it can retaliate. Eldar destroy almost everything in 40k at the moment except for the cheesiest of cheeses, so no surprise there. How do necrons destroy this? I really am not sure how that happens.

I agree that this should have a 2+ armour save. It is a giant suit of armour. Except for a tiny guy somewhere in there, it is all armour.

necrons have the durability to get to it. Keep in mind this is just one unit of of the codex so maybe a lot of things will change for the tau, just confused at the t6 3+ save I feel like that really hurts it

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I'm with Dman here. It's easy to alpha strike that thing off of the board with it being 3+ and T6. Maybe it'll get some buffs with the Tau Decurion formation?

Or you bubble wrap it with infantry? Seriously kroot are what, 6 pts a model? 180 pts gets you a nice thick furry ball of bubble wrap thatll make it pretty hard for anyone to get too close.

For the first time ever in history I'll agree with dman. This thing sucks. Tau players WANT it to be good. All other players realize it isn't as good as tau players want. Sad sad tau peeps.

 the Signless wrote:

I agree that this should have a 2+ armour save. It is a giant suit of armour. Except for a tiny guy somewhere in there, it is all armour.

Armour doesnt automatically mean a 2+ save...

in the current meta of scattbikes that's 36" range gun that can move 12" and Fire so 48" that's one dead tau GC, don't get me wrong that's a lot of fire power it puts out, that thing going first will put some serious hurt, it's just that T6 3+ save that has me over here so confused

Yeah, but scatterbikes are horribly overpowered. There is no unit in the game that will stack up against scatterbikes if thats what your idea of 'balanced' is.

The D weapon (from what I can read) looks useless with such a tiny range and the 10 to 20, 20 to 30 range make it hard to utilize. Its lock down to double shoot sounds powerful but it won't survive past the 1st turn in any competitive game. Its cluster rockets sounds impressive but its basically on average 14 pulse weapon shots which is hardly game ending.

100% of the time this thing will sit in some ruins with its 72" Pulse Driver Cannon and act like a turret. If your army has deep strike then it probably dies then (we need to see how interceptor system works with this update) but if you don't then your going to get clobbered by its large blast shooting twice a turn. I think this thing is 100% going to earn its points back every game but its not game breaking in being unkillable (it just will kill a lot of stuff before dying.

What I find interesting is the ability to take airbursting fragmentation projectors so it seems they are going from being a limited "experimental" piece of wargear to a more mainstream part of the Tau arsenal.

"Destroyer Missile" s8 ap1

I'm not really seeing when I'd ever want to spend 360 points on this when for 370 I can get 2 riptides with IA's that do almost the same firepower and have better armor and mobility.

Dare I say, it *seems* properly costed at a glance, and the apparent fragility is also a good balance to its firepower.

Just saw that you can take up to two additional stormsurges..... Squadron of Stormsurges just seems silly. I guess you could take most of your army as Stormsurges and go full blown Tau gunline.

Also I wonder how the lock down rapid fire mode works with interceptor (if it can take it). Would it fire twice or would it only get to use its weapons once?

WOw I love it! Very cool rule that gives it INSANE fire output. Interesting tidbit, the first gargantuan squadron I believe, so I wonder what their rules are like, coherency, targeting, etc

I'm afraid I disagree with you completely, Dman137. Unlike the Wraithknight, the Stormsurge is appropriately costed and not stupidly durable for it's points cost. It has a D-weapon, so it can compete with other superheavies. It may only have a 3+ armour save, but that's to balance out the fact that GCs are incredibly tough to kill. The FNP and eight wounds make this thing plenty hard to kill. Furthermore, you have the option to fire twice in one turn if you use the stabilizers, and can take Tau suit upgrades for added utility.

Sure, it's vulnerable to alpha strikes, But if I remember correctly, you are of the opinion that the Wraithknight isn't very good because it's vulnerable to alpha strikes. any unit will come off terrible compared to the most broken and OP units in the Eldar codex.

I'll be honest, this thing is good, but not lolwut good.
It's balanced.

It's a decent platform with great shooting, but it has downsides too (ie: balance)
People will bitch its junk as its not a supremacy , but I think it's on the mark.

Tau and Eldar have recently been given some top units, so now they have good units that are on par with being sensible, people will complain.

Ideally nids could do with a review of mc's now as the GC bar has been lowered.




Nice model and decent rules though.
I'd say its around riptide for quality.

Something not OP and everyone goes just as wild.

So for scatterbike comparison. It takes 27 scatterbikes to get an expected value of 8 wounds through a 3+ armor and 5+ feel no pain. That's 729 points of scatterbikes that have to spend a turn shooting at it. I think it will likely get to shoot at least once or twice against even a very determined eldar player.

I'm surprised that there's no nova reactor for it. Riptides have them after all, I was thinking after reading the initial rules it would have a special Nova Reactor thing that would overcharge the main gun to be S D Gets Hot.

I guess not? Interesting. If markerlight rules stay the same, this thing will mulch an Admech army. The only thing they can really do is either march up Kastelans, or bring in drop pods.

A drop pod with a 10 Vanguard unit with 3 plasma calivers, and the phosphoenix will put a good dent in it. At least 5 or 6 wounds.

Looks like Exorcist Bait to me.

 ultimentra wrote:
I'm surprised that there's no nova reactor for it. Riptides have them after all, I was thinking after reading the initial rules it would have a special Nova Reactor thing that would overcharge the main gun to be S D Gets Hot.

I guess not? Interesting. If markerlight rules stay the same, this thing will mulch an Admech army. The only thing they can really do is either march up Kastelans, or bring in drop pods.

A drop pod with a 10 Vanguard unit with 3 plasma calivers, and the phosphoenix will put a good dent in it. At least 5 or 6 wounds.

Assuming it cannot access interceptor anymore