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2015/10/02 06:46:14
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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Just as the title says- Please post up what you know so we can make a list of all the weapons that ignore cover that every army has access to, with their AP value. Very Curious to know what different armies have available to them, and what the typical amount of Ignores Cover weapons each army has. Also began adding wargear/special rules/etc that give Ignore cover or reduce cover saves.
If you know of anything missing, Please add it and I'll edit this post to reflect it.
Space Marines
Flamer AP:5
Heavy Flamer AP:4
Flamestorm Cannon AP:3
Dragonfire Bolter Ammo AP:5
Airburst TFC shells AP:6
Incendiary Castellan Missiles AP:5
Any weapon carried by LoTD
*Auspex gives -1 cover
Orks
Burna AP:5
Burna Bomb AP:4
Scorcha AP:4
Scorcha Missile AP:4
Blood Angels
Flamer - AP:5
Heavy Flamer - AP:4
Flamestorm Cannon - AP:3
Hand Flamer (Pistol) - AP:6
Dragonfire Bolter Ammo (Sternguard) - AP:5
Incendiary Castellan Missiles - AP:5
Imperial Guard
Heavy Flamer - AP:4
Flamer - AP:5
Inferno Cannon- AP:4 Torrent
Chem Cannon- AP:3 Template
DeathStrike Missile - AP:1 (One shot/game)
Eradicator Nova Cannon - AP:4
Stormshard Mortar - AP:6
* "Fire on my Target" order give any infantry Ignores Cover
Chaos Space Marines
Flamer - AP5
Heavy Flamer - AP4
Baleflamer - AP3 (Also Torrent and has Soul Blaze)
Burning Brand of Skalathrax - AP3 (Also Torrent, has Soul Blaze and is a Relic)
Doom Siren - AP3
Blastmaster - AP4 or AP3 (depending on the mode)
Sonic Blaster - AP5
Chaos Daemons
Skull Catapult -S8 ap5 Large Blast
Flames of Tzeentch - S4 ap4 template
Pink Flames of Tzeentch - S5 ap3 torrent
Baleful Torrent - S6 ap4 torrent
Corrosive Breath - S5 ap5 template (note: random gift on daemon reward table)
Tyranids
Template weapons:
Thorax biomorphs (ap 5)
Stranglewebs (ap:-)
Flameburst (ap4)
Drool Cannon (ap4)
Torrent weapons:
Acid Spray (ap4)
Non-template weapons:
Impaler Cannon (ap4)
Spore mine living bomb (ap4)
Mucolid spore mine living bomb (ap3)
Adepta Sororitas
Flamer (AP5)
Heavy Flamer (AP4)
Dominion Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Storm Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Flamer (AP5)
Dominion Meltagun (AP1)
Dominion Combi-Weapons (AP 5/2/1)
Necrons
Gauntlet of Fire 5
Heat Ray 4
Mechanicus/Skitarii/Knights
Cognis Flamer 5
Incendine Combustor 5
Heavy Flamer 4
* Luminagen Phosphor + Omnispex
Eldar
Flamer
Dragons Breath Flamer
D-scythe
Destructor
Serpent Shield
Hawk Grenade pack
Doomweaver shooting as a torrent
Bio cataclysm from Maugan Ra's shrieker shots
Mind War
Situational weapons
Dark Reapers (ignore Jink)
D-cannon, Wraithgun, Heavy Wraithgun (D weapons)
Dark Eldar
Eyeburst AP3
Liquifier Gun APd6
Spirit Siphon AP3
Phantasm Grenade Launcher* (Effectively AP2)
Torment Grenade Launcher* (Effectively AP2)
Crucible of Malediction* (Effectively AP2)
Archangel of Pain* (Effectively AP2)
Tau
Flamer, 5
SMS, 5
Airbursting Frag. Projector, 5
*Markerlights subtract cover
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2015/10/02 06:49:26
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Tau:
Flamer, 5
SMS, 5
Airbursting Frag. Projector, 5
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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2015/10/02 06:54:07
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Experienced Maneater
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For Space Marines:
Everything a Damned Legionaire can equip.
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2015/10/02 07:00:15
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tyranids
Thorax weapons 3
Impaler Cannon 1
Acid Spray 1
Forget the one that the Pyrovore has, but you'll never see it action.
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2015/10/02 07:13:39
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Imperial Guard:
Heavy Flamer - AP:4
Flamer - AP:5
DeathStrike Missile - AP:1 (Strength 10 too, though it's one shot only)
Eradicator Nova Cannon - AP:4
Stormshard Mortar - AP:6
Note #1: The Hydra Flak Tank makes cover saves more difficult if my memory serves versus skimmers or jetbikes (They don't get cover saves from turbo boosting or going flat out, so that's kind of ignores cover? Sort of?)
Note 2: Any infantry portable weapon can have ignores cover in the I.G. Codex thanks to the Senior Officer's "Fire on my target!" order. It grants the receiving squad the ignores cover special rule. Granted, the majority of the squad will only have lasguns more often than not, but having a trio of plasma guns or meltaguns in a veteran squad receive the Ignores Cover USR is pretty swanky. It's situational (Can only issue the order from a Company Command Squad, and only out to 12" max, or 18" if you get the right warlord trait), but can be fun.
Blood Angels:
Flamer - AP:5
Heavy Flamer - AP:4
Flamestorm Cannon - AP:3
Hand Flamer (Pistol) - AP:6
Dragonfire Bolter Ammo (Sternguard) - AP:5
Incendiary Castellan Missiles - AP:5
Take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
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2015/10/02 07:25:43
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Chaos Space Marines:
Flamer - AP5
Heavy Flamer - AP4
Baleflamer - AP3 (Also Torrent and has Soul Blaze)
Burning Brand of Skalathrax - AP3 (Also Torrent, has Soul Blaze and is a Relic)
Doom Siren - AP3
Blastmaster - AP4 or AP3 (depending on the mode)
Sonic Blaster - AP5
I think that's everything.
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2015/10/02 07:26:31
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Chaos Daemons
Skull Catapult - S8 ap5 Large Blast
Flames of Tzeentch - S4 ap4 template
Pink Flames of Tzeentch - S5 ap3 torrent
Baleful Torrent - S6 ap4 torrent
Corrosive Breath - S5 ap5 template (note: random gift on daemon reward table)
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2015/10/02 07:39:47
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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Frozocrone wrote:Tyranids
Thorax weapons 3
Impaler Cannon 1
Acid Spray 1
Forget the one that the Pyrovore has, but you'll never see it action.
I don't think you understood the question.
Tyranids:
Template weapons:
> Thorax biomorphs ( ap 5)
> Stranglewebs ( ap:-)
> Flameburst (ap4)
> Drool Cannon (ap4)
Torrent weapons:
> Acid Spray (ap4)
Non-template weapons:
> Impaler Cannon (ap4)
> Spore mine living bomb (ap4)
> Mucolid spore mine living bomb (ap3)
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2015/10/02 07:49:32
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Hallowed Canoness
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Adepta Sororitas;
Flamer (AP5)
Heavy Flamer (AP4)
Dominion Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Storm Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Flamer (AP5)
Dominion Meltagun (AP1)
Dominion Combi-Weapons (AP 5/2/1) Automatically Appended Next Post: Adepta Sororitas;
Flamer (AP5)
Heavy Flamer (AP4)
Dominion Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Storm Bolter (AP5)
Dominion Flamer (AP5)
Dominion Meltagun (AP1)
Dominion Combi-Weapons (AP 5/2/1)
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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2015/10/02 07:55:19
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Red__Thirst wrote:Imperial Guard:
Heavy Flamer - AP:4
Flamer - AP:5
DeathStrike Missile - AP:1 (Strength 10 too, though it's one shot only)
Eradicator Nova Cannon - AP:4
Stormshard Mortar - AP:6
Note #1: The Hydra Flak Tank makes cover saves more difficult if my memory serves versus skimmers or jetbikes (They don't get cover saves from turbo boosting or going flat out, so that's kind of ignores cover? Sort of?)
Not anymore sadly, they made got rid of the ability to ignore Jink saves, and made it open-topped, just to make it bad apparently.
Also, to add to the above list
Inferno Cannon, AP4 (torrent)
Chem Cannon AP3 (template)
Hellfury Missile AP5 (though I don't think anyone has ever used these) Large Blast
If we want to include Imperial Armour
Collossus Siege Mortar AP3 (Ordnance Large Blast)
Carcass Shells for Heavy Mortars AP4 (Ordnance Large Blast)
Superheavies:
Praetor Launcher (firestorm) AP4 (Massive 7" blast)
Hellhammer Cannon AP1 (Massive 7" blast)
Inferno Gun (from Macharius Infernus) AP3 (Firestorm)
Stormsword Siege Cannon AP1 (Apocalyptic 10" blast)
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2015/10/02 07:57:16
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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topaxygouroun i wrote: Frozocrone wrote:Tyranids
Thorax weapons 3
Impaler Cannon 1
Acid Spray 1
Forget the one that the Pyrovore has, but you'll never see it action.
I don't think you understood the question.
Tyranids:
Template weapons:
> Thorax biomorphs ( ap 5)
> Stranglewebs ( ap:-)
> Flameburst (ap4)
> Drool Cannon (ap4)
Torrent weapons:
> Acid Spray (ap4)
Non-template weapons:
> Impaler Cannon (ap4)
> Spore mine living bomb (ap4)
> Mucolid spore mine living bomb (ap3)
My bad, looking at OP I thought that's how many units could take those weapons.
I wouldn't count the Spore Mines, since they have to be in CC to use their rules.
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YMDC = nightmare |
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2015/10/02 08:05:31
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Would dominion squads count or you only want weapons?
Sisters of battle
hand-flamer ap6
flamer ap5
Heavy flamer ap4
Tl Heavy Flamer ap4
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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case. |
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2015/10/02 08:06:01
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Focused Fire Warrior
Rockwood, TN
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the Markerlight makes all Tau weapons capable of ignoring cover. Because, you know, that is the number one complaint I keep reading about...
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2015/10/02 08:33:15
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Moscow, Russia
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Neither army has much. Eerily almost as if they were designed that way.
Necrons
Gauntlet of Fire 5
Heat Ray 4
That relic thing ?
Mechanicus/Skitarii/Knights
Cognis Flamer 5
Incendine Combustor 5
Heavy Flamer 4
but possible reduction of cover saves due to the Luminagen rule that phosphor weapons have and/or omnispexes
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2015/10/02 08:37:44
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Tau-
Everything
(due to Markerlights)
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2015/10/02 08:48:33
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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We're not talking about things that give weapons ignore cover but weapons that come with ignore cover in their base profile is what I think the OP was getting at
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19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
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2015/10/02 09:03:46
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Eldar:
Flamer
Dragons Breath Flamer
D-scythe
Destructor
Serpent Shield
Situational
Dark Reapers (ignore Jink)
D-cannon, Wraithgun, Heavy Wraithgun (D weapons)
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2015/10/02 09:11:54
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Dark Eldar:
Eyeburst AP3
Liquifier Gun APd6
Spirit Siphon AP3
Phantasm Grenade Launcher* (Effectively AP2)
Torment Grenade Launcher* (Effectively AP2)
Crucible of Malediction* (Effectively AP2)
Archangel of Pain* (Effectively AP2)
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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2015/10/02 09:38:06
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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ehm onl mentioning the weapons with the rule is useless if you don't mention the special rules or models that give it such as IG orders, or those fw tank (upgrades) and Tau marker lights.
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2015/10/02 10:07:58
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Two Markerlights Gue'la.
Also a Seeker Markerlihgt D:
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2015/10/02 10:10:33
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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oldzoggy wrote:ehm onl mentioning the weapons with the rule is useless if you don't mention the special rules
In case someone is confused and thinks DE might actually have access to useful weapons?
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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2015/10/02 10:52:26
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Emboldened Warlock
Widnes UK
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Happyjew wrote:Eldar:
Flamer
Dragons Breath Flamer
D-scythe
Destructor
Serpent Shield
Situational
Dark Reapers (ignore Jink)
D-cannon, Wraithgun, Heavy Wraithgun (D weapons)
Also:
Hawk Grenade pack
Doomweaver shooting as a torrent
Bio cataclysm from Maugan Ra's shrieker shots
Mind War
And we have reveal which removes stealth and shrouded, even if it doesn't completely ignore cover saves.
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2015/10/02 13:04:14
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Tinkrr wrote:
Two Markerlights Gue'la.
Also a Seeker Markerlight D:
We're talking about base here. Else we'd have to mention stuff like orders, chapter tactics, psychic powers, ect.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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2015/10/02 13:07:24
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Co'tor Shas wrote:
We're talking about base here. Else we'd have to mention stuff like orders, chapter tactics, psychic powers, ect.
Isn't that the point though?
It does skew things a fair bit. As does only giving the name and AP.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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2015/10/02 13:12:15
Subject: Re:Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Of course, but I don't think anybody really needs to be told that tau can ignore cover relatively easily. In fact, I'd say the reason they only have 3 weapons that do so base is because of that.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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2015/10/02 13:19:50
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
PA Unitied States
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nevermind someone beat me to it
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22 yrs in the hobby
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2015/10/02 15:34:08
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Tau: everything
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2015/10/02 16:34:56
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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oldzoggy wrote:only mentioning the weapons with the rule is useless if you don't mention the special rules or models that give it such as IG orders, or those fw tank (upgrades) and Tau marker lights.
Its def worth mentioning ANY method of giving ignores cover that your army can give. For example, the IG order, or even psychic powers/wargear, etc.
What I'm trying to see here (and share with everyone) is the amount of ignore cover weapon options available to each faction. 7th edition 40k is riddled with cover saves and Jink being a keystone of many top builds, so this seems like great knowledge for everyone to either build a list, or to know what they are facing
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2015/10/03 23:12:47
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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Edited the original post with updates from the thread. If you see something missing, or something is wrong, please post up.
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2015/10/04 01:37:59
Subject: Lets make a list of all weapons with "Ignores Cover" from all armies
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
England
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You forgot the IG's Hellhammer Cannon and Stormsword Siege Cannon, both AP1.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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