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Hello, everyone,

I really love Armageddon Steel Legion and want to make them my next army. However, to stay within the fluff boundaries, I'm not going to delve into the land of Veterans, sticking to Infantry Platoons instead. Your feedback is appreciated.

HQ
Company Command Squad (150 Points)
Officer of the Fleet | Heavy Bolter
Chimera: 2x Heavy Bolter

TROOPS
Infantry Platoon (485 Points)
Platoon Command Squad: 2x Plasma Gun | 1x Medi-kit
Chimera: 2x Heavy Flamer

Infantry Squad: Missile Launcher | Grenade Launcher
Chimera: Multi-Laser | Heavy Bolter

Infantry Squad: Missile Launcher | Grenade Launcher
Chimera: Multi-Laser | Heavy Bolter

Heavy Weapons Squad: 3x Heavy Bolter

Infantry Platoon (560 Points)
Platoon Command Squad: 2x Plasma Gun | 1x Medi-kit
Chimera: 2x Heavy Flamer

Infantry Squad: Missile Launcher | Grenade Launcher
Chimera: Multi-Laser | Heavy Bolter

Infantry Squad: Missile Launcher | Grenade Launcher
Chimera: Multi-Laser | Heavy Bolter

Sabre Weapons Battery: 3x Twin-linked Lascannon

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ordinance Battery (300 Points)
2x Medusa Siege Gun | 2x Heavy Bolter | 2x Enclosed Crew Compartment

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!

I'm a fan of the Steel Legion, too. Unfortunately, you're going to find that trying to run a list from 3rd Edition in 7th Edition is just going to lead to disappointment. And, you've mentioned that you don't want to run veterans for fluff reasons, but you're committing the cardinal sin of not having transports for all of your units. Missile launchers and grenade launchers are also horrible choices: they're meant to be good at two different things, but in the hands of a BS3 model, they up being mediocre at everything.

Run vets in Chimeras with 2-3 specials or 2 specials and heavy. Stay embarked until the enemy destroys your ride. Don't swap out your multi-lasers for ANYTHING. A mix of hull HBs and HFs is good, though. Ditch the Sabre platforms and run a Vendetta. Lastly, I would also strongly suggest running some Leman Russ' for AV14. I love fluffy lists taken for the sake of fluff, but I don't want to see you disappointed in an army that will never do well on the tabletop.

 the_Armyman wrote:
I'm a fan of the Steel Legion, too. Unfortunately, you're going to find that trying to run a list from 3rd Edition in 7th Edition is just going to lead to disappointment. And, you've mentioned that you don't want to run veterans for fluff reasons, but you're committing the cardinal sin of not having transports for all of your units. Missile launchers and grenade launchers are also horrible choices: they're meant to be good at two different things, but in the hands of a BS3 model, they up being mediocre at everything.

Run vets in Chimeras with 2-3 specials or 2 specials and heavy. Stay embarked until the enemy destroys your ride. Don't swap out your multi-lasers for ANYTHING. A mix of hull HBs and HFs is good, though. Ditch the Sabre platforms and run a Vendetta. Lastly, I would also strongly suggest running some Leman Russ' for AV14. I love fluffy lists taken for the sake of fluff, but I don't want to see you disappointed in an army that will never do well on the tabletop.

never say never ive seen some very dumb lists before, like tau without markerlights (not using farisight) with lots of kroot and a riptide. or dark eldar without transports (yes ive seen this)

i think his list would be pretty cool in a quasi king of the hill game where he defends and someone attacks, that i think would be cool, or modifying the battle of pscinia IV campaign mission in white dwarf so he has a free fortress of redemption and fearless to play with for army composition and then mildly tweaking to work with the redemption

 the_Armyman wrote:
I'm a fan of the Steel Legion, too. Unfortunately, you're going to find that trying to run a list from 3rd Edition in 7th Edition is just going to lead to disappointment. And, you've mentioned that you don't want to run veterans for fluff reasons, but you're committing the cardinal sin of not having transports for all of your units. Missile launchers and grenade launchers are also horrible choices: they're meant to be good at two different things, but in the hands of a BS3 model, they up being mediocre at everything.

Run vets in Chimeras with 2-3 specials or 2 specials and heavy. Stay embarked until the enemy destroys your ride. Don't swap out your multi-lasers for ANYTHING. A mix of hull HBs and HFs is good, though. Ditch the Sabre platforms and run a Vendetta. Lastly, I would also strongly suggest running some Leman Russ' for AV14. I love fluffy lists taken for the sake of fluff, but I don't want to see you disappointed in an army that will never do well on the tabletop.

Thank you for the feedback! I appreciate your input on Veterans and know what mechanized Veterans look like, but still refuse to run them. Veterans were introduced to give IG players a cool story/conversion project, not a different way to run Space Marines. If you want BS4 so badly, than run the Emperor's Angels. The Missile Launchers and Grenade Launchers are there primarily because that's what Steel Legion squads come with. I was torn between three Sabres or a Vendetta. Fluffwise, Sabres make absolutely no sense, but in game terms, Sabres are much better. Vendettas have to start the game in reserve, so there's no guarantee they're coming on turn two. Assuming they do come on turn two, chances are they're dropping to hover turn three, making them just as easy to hit as Sabres, but with less survivability. Sabres start on the table turn one and can be put in cover, so you still get a 4+ cover save without having to jink. They have T7 2W 3+ Save and come with Interceptor built-in at 25 points less. The match goes to Sabres in my opinion.

My reasoning for collecting is entirely motivated by fluff as I don't think any IG army is particularly good right now. I will re-jig a bit, maybe dropping the Missile Launchers and Heavy Bolters to get some AV14 on the table.

Thanks you once again!

Probably make a better steel legion list using IA13 bloody handed reaver.

counterwavecounter wrote:
Fluffwise, Sabres make absolutely no sense, but in game terms, Sabres are much better.

counterwavecounter wrote:My reasoning for collecting is entirely motivated by fluff as I don't think any IG army is particularly good right now.

You seem to be conflicted

The two problems with making the argument for fluff is that 1) it constantly changes in the published material and 2) fluff is pretty malleable to suit specific interpretations. Now, if this is YOUR army's fluff that you've based these choices on, then that's cool. But, if your basing your choices on the notion that Armageddon Steel Legion regiments don't have veterans, then that's silly.

I won't belabor the point, I just think there are better choices you can make, and it's pretty easy to make them fit the fluff of the Armageddon Steel Legion.

counterwavecounter wrote:Thanks you once again!

Your welcome. If you have pics of your army, I'd love to see them!

Intercessor wrote:Probably make a better steel legion list using IA13 bloody handed reaver.

Your heresy has been noted. Purification squads are en route to your position.

 counterwavecounter wrote:
The Missile Launchers and Grenade Launchers are there primarily because that's what Steel Legion squads come with.

Go ahead and do some simple conversions with a clippers and a file. Pretty easy to make standard riflemen into flamers, snipers or meltagunners. Only a bit more work to make a heavy bolter team into an autocannon team and such. Plus they have a pretty good Lascannon kit for the Steel legion. It adds some great variation to an otherwise repetitive army and is a fun simple conversion to do!

 counterwavecounter wrote:
I was torn between three Sabres or a Vendetta. Fluffwise, Sabres make absolutely no sense, but in game terms, Sabres are much better. Vendettas have to start the game in reserve, so there's no guarantee they're coming on turn two. Assuming they do come on turn two, chances are they're dropping to hover turn three, making them just as easy to hit as Sabres, but with less survivability. Sabres start on the table turn one and can be put in cover, so you still get a 4+ cover save without having to jink. They have T7 2W 3+ Save and come with Interceptor built-in at 25 points less. The match goes to Sabres in my opinion.

My reasoning for collecting is entirely motivated by fluff as I don't think any IG army is particularly good right now. I will re-jig a bit, maybe dropping the Missile Launchers and Heavy Bolters to get some AV14 on the table.

I agree Sabres are better, and I'll run them with a more mixed guard list where I have some more foot sloggers. However they, along with the dismounted heavy bolter teams, don't really fit the fluff of a mechanized force. Without a transport those guys would get left kilometers behind the main body, struggling to keep up. On the other hand any armored force, that wants to survive anyhow, would have air-cover so the Vendetta makes a better choice in that regards. Plus you could stick a PCS with flamers in there to wreak some havoc. Also I notice you already have an Officer of the Fleet, so he can hopefully mitigate some of the reserve worries.

I also disagree with your notion that vets don't have a place in fluffy lists. Anything below 2000 pts really represents no more than a Company(-) of infantry backed up by augmenting armor and artillery. So there is really no reason why your 50 or so troopers can't represent the hardened survivors of a degraded company, or the hand picked veterans chosen to punch the crucial hole in the enemy's lines.

But that's a minor gripe, and I mainly bring it up since I run Steel Legion Veterans! It's good to see more Steel Legion warriors out there!