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Looks like we have about 6 months to wait before getting our hands on this wondrous game. Is anyone else totally intrigued by what GW's reaction to this is going to be? Someone has taken their discarded Old World and produced what looks to be an absolute gem of a game

Not interested until Elves! Or at least Lizardmen *sad hats*

 LordofHats wrote:
Not interested until Elves! Or at least Lizardmen *sad hats*

This is the first game in a planned trilogy. The other races should appear in the subsequent games, and all of the games in the series are planned to be compatible with each other.

And that just pisses me off XD Just because Starcraft II did it doesn't make it a good idea!4

 LordofHats wrote:
And that just pisses me off XD Just because Starcraft II did it doesn't make it a good idea!4

It might be related to SAN checks by the game developers. That's a lot of races to include, and they might have thought that it would be too much work to get every race's special abilities done for one release.

But that's only a guess. There's not enough evidence either way - at least, not until we see the finished product.


It might also be related to the single-player campaign component. I wouldn't be surprised if they're developing fully-developed single-player campaigns for each game. And putting them all into one release would have made that release prohibitively expensive.

...did I get that right, Chaos exclusive for Pre-Orders?

 Sigvatr wrote:
...did I get that right, Chaos exclusive for Pre-Orders?

Yep. Until they release it later as DLC anyways.

 Sigvatr wrote:
...did I get that right, Chaos exclusive for Pre-Orders?

It's probably the same deal as when Rome II and Attila Total War launched. Pre-Order and you get the faction free, with it being later released as a paid DLC for everyone else (because you know, gotta decide which parts of the game disc we gonna charge players for later ).

 Sigvatr wrote:
...did I get that right, Chaos exclusive for Pre-Orders?

Yup, the old "give us money 6 months ahead of time and you get this free" offer.

Apparently they'll be a paid DLC if you don't pre-order.

Eh, I'm not to keen on the pre-order price tag. 71$?!? I've never pre-ordered something so I'm not sure if they'll tone down the price after it's released, but I certainly hope they do.

While I'm interested enough in it, in happy to wait until there an equivalent of an Emperor Edition

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
...did I get that right, Chaos exclusive for Pre-Orders?

Yep. Until they release it later as DLC anyways.

Yeah, interest in the game suddenly dropped. Will wait until there's a GOTYish edition with all 30+ DLC pieces included.

I hear that. This went from early purchase to "eh, maybe when they release a ultimate edition for $19.99".

 SkavenLord wrote:
Eh, I'm not to keen on the pre-order price tag. 71$?!? I've never pre-ordered something so I'm not sure if they'll tone down the price after it's released, but I certainly hope they do.

?

Which country are you in? Steam has it listed for the usual $59.99 in US dollars.

Eumerin wrote:

 SkavenLord wrote:
Eh, I'm not to keen on the pre-order price tag. 71$?!? I've never pre-ordered something so I'm not sure if they'll tone down the price after it's released, but I certainly hope they do.

?

Which country are you in? Steam has it listed for the usual $59.99 in US dollars.

His country flag is Canada, so I assume Canada, and he's probably talking Canadian dollars.

I'm hearing a lot of backlash and a lot of down votes on the chaos day one DLC announcement. As somebody that had at least 3k worth of skaven and cost me far over 500 USD and basically destroyed my whole game universe this is a slap on the wrist.

Bunch of crybabies seriously. So what you get one more DLC with one more faction at launch than you thought. If you pre-order it's free and if not it's not. It's what 5 dollars and at worst 10 dollars USD? Even if the game's bad they ruined one 60 USD game excluding DLC in a universe that could handle it. GW killed the whole universe that I spend hundreds if not over a thousand dollars in. Creative assembly aren't that bad while GW's company heads can go rot in hell for all I care.

Just for reference a box of 20 clanrats (something you need hundreds of) costs about 35 USD and that's considered cheap. Then again as warhammer fans I think we all know the ridiculous difference in price. 5 playable factions and rules for 60 USD and a tabletop game where two small units easily costs more than that. No wonder why GW is losing business. Get with the times GW seriously.

Also Skavenlord and sigvatr go play rock, paper, scissors, thumb war or similar to see who has to change avatars as that gets horribly confusing seeing as you both have the same one.

Creative Assembly games are generally incredibly poor at the outset. I would highly recommend everyone pick this game up on sale six months after release. Otherwise you might just end up aggravated. CA usually fixes things in patches, but most of their recent games have been released as total messes. That's just my opinion though. They burned me pretty hard with Empire and a few other of their games.

 Compel wrote:
While I'm interested enough in it, in happy to wait until there an equivalent of an Emperor Edition

Definitely. Creative assembly aren't known for releasing bug free and fully functional games on release (I think the last one was Medieval 2...) so its always wise to wait a few months unless you really, really have to play with little computer orcs.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm hearing a lot of backlash and a lot of down votes on the chaos day one DLC announcement.

A big issue is that when people buy a game, they assume that they're buying the whole game. Not buying access to parts of the game and then having to pay for access to the rest of the game later. It's not even really DLC. The faction is already in the game and everything. You're just being 'charged' for a few lines of code that let you play it.

That's the problem with Day 1 DLC. You are charged for anything that's already /there/. You don't buy the actual DLC, you buy an on/off switch.

That being said, I'll most likely get the game and the DLC for free anyway (yarrrr) and then buy the GOTY Edition afterwards /if/ they stick with that stupid plan.

Changed my avatar, creature of bone and flesh.

I'm with Flaminkillamajig on this.

It blows my mind that this seems to happen EVERY time a game is released now a days.

"Day one DLC? Why we've let them get away with it for years, better get up in arms over it now!"

"Sixty dollars? Why I can't remember when games didn't usually cost Fifty bucks, I better pirate this or wait for it on sale!"

And on and on. It's honestly getting to be a joke.

Personally everything I've seen looks neat. Looking forward to getting my hands on it and seeing what race are next. Fingers crossed for Lizardmen!

lonestarr777 wrote:

"Day one DLC? Why we've let them get away with it for years, better get up in arms over it now!"

"Sixty dollars? Why I can't remember when games didn't usually cost Fifty bucks, I better pirate this or wait for it on sale!"

Who's "we"? I have never bought day 1 DLC or purchased a game for more than $50.

You're right that a very large majority of gamers (people like yourself, essentially) allow themselves to be fethed over by the gaming industry by buying into these anti-consumer practices, but some of us have been pretty consistent in having integrity, thanks.

And I'm sure Blaxicanx they've been all delightful indie titles I've never heard of. Good for you, no really, cause that pile of integrity you're shoveling doesn't smell pretty so it must be a lot of work!

Whatever, I helped derail this thread enough.

Have they unvieled anything about the Undead yet or are they still under wraps?

lonestarr777 wrote:

"Day one DLC? Why we've let them get away with it for years, better get up in arms over it now!"

Never bought Day One DLC. Don't speak for others if ye can't. Makes you look...not good.

if we could get back to the topic please.

Thanks.

Just gonna throw it out there. An army book these days costs 50 USD and a rulebook costs 85 USD. This is before the models are thrown into it. Imagine the whole universe of the game system you played went up mat ward's ass and lost all coherent thought in the process. In some ways I wish fantasy did die without 'age of sigmar' coming out the other end.

In comparison to that I would gladly pay 60 USD on release day for free DLC of a faction I didn't know would be ready on release. I'd have bought it anyway as a warhammer fantasy player this is the only way I get to live out the game. Not only that but whether the engine is messed up as it usually is these days you still get at least 4 factions and 5 if you pre-order. One you get for probably 5 USD. The old warriors of chaos army book cost about 50 USD.

If this game sucks it's 60 USD or more down the drain or at least till it's patched. Considering steam sales you could even get it super cheap one day. This is such a non-issue it blows my mind. I swear video gamers and movie fans are such big whiners. When you spend 300 USD minimum on something and make minimum wage while living in an apartment and paying bills then you get to complain. Till then play something else instead and shut up.

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More on topic as requested I do hope skaven come around but I only expect that to happen in the 2nd game or closer to end times. Sadly skaven's newer units only came around in end times and our army book was sadly 7th edition in an 8th world. I have no doubt some of the more up to date factions will make a show (wood elves, high elves and dark elves probably getting their own separate game).

I personally like the starting factions significantly. I hope pigeon bombs make an appearance but they might not. Fanatics and various squig units would also be greatly appreciated. Maybe even night goblin netters will be a thing.

I'm glad vampire counts will be a thing as I always wanted to try them out in the tabletop but never quite had the money and then the game went under nullifying a great deal of what I'd spent (in hundreds of USD at least). Coven thrones could also be super sweet as would the terrorgheists and crypt horrors. I will say vampires would be pretty metal.

I'm curious how long it'll be before tomb kings or nagash hits the field. Tomb kings had some of the bigger monsters.

I'll just be glad the game should balance out infinitely better in comparison to the tabletop game. Name the last time all the army factions in any tabletop warhammer game were balanced. That said considering eldar in dawn of war 1 this might still be a problem.

Oh and it'd be cool to see lizardmen and their tier 1 magic users hit the field. I can only imagine slann making their magic pool refill super fast and just denying their enemies.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Just gonna throw it out there. An army book these days costs 50 USD and a rulebook costs 85 USD. This is before the models are thrown into it. Imagine the whole universe of the game system you played went up mat ward's ass and lost all coherent thought in the process. In some ways I wish fantasy did die without 'age of sigmar' coming out the other end.

In comparison to that I would gladly pay 60 USD on release day for free DLC of a faction I didn't know would be ready on release. I'd have bought it anyway as a warhammer fantasy player this is the only way I get to live out the game. Not only that but whether the engine is messed up as it usually is these days you still get at least 4 factions and 5 if you pre-order. One you get for probably 5 USD. The old warriors of chaos army book cost about 50 USD.

If this game sucks it's 60 USD or more down the drain or at least till it's patched. Considering steam sales you could even get it super cheap one day. This is such a non-issue it blows my mind. I swear video gamers and movie fans are such big whiners. When you spend 300 USD minimum on something and make minimum wage while living in an apartment and paying bills then you get to complain. Till then play something else instead and shut up.

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More on topic as requested I do hope skaven come around but I only expect that to happen in the 2nd game or closer to end times. Sadly skaven's newer units only came around in end times and our army book was sadly 7th edition in an 8th world. I have no doubt some of the more up to date factions will make a show (wood elves, high elves and dark elves probably getting their own separate game).

I personally like the starting factions significantly. I hope pigeon bombs make an appearance but they might not. Fanatics and various squig units would also be greatly appreciated. Maybe even night goblin netters will be a thing.

I'm glad vampire counts will be a thing as I always wanted to try them out in the tabletop but never quite had the money and then the game went under nullifying a great deal of what I'd spent (in hundreds of USD at least). Coven thrones could also be super sweet as would the terrorgheists and crypt horrors. I will say vampires would be pretty metal.

I'm curious how long it'll be before tomb kings or nagash hits the field. Tomb kings had some of the bigger monsters.

I'll just be glad the game should balance out infinitely better in comparison to the tabletop game. Name the last time all the army factions in any tabletop warhammer game were balanced. That said considering eldar in dawn of war 1 this might still be a problem.

Oh and it'd be cool to see lizardmen and their tier 1 magic users hit the field. I can only imagine slann making their magic pool refill super fast and just denying their enemies.

So because you're used to being ripped off by GW, you'll let yourself get ripped off by CA? Fair enough I suppose.

No because I'm ripped off super hard by GW and they basically destroy an entire game universe I loved and enjoyed I'm willing to bite for a Day One DLC offer for a game that will likely need heavy patches on release day and cost 60 USD. In comparison Age of Sigmar was so much worse than this it isn't even funny. You seriously have no clue unless you had at least 2,000 points or more of fantasy which cost at least hundreds of dollars and spent at least 3 years playing warhammer fantasy (I had at least 3k of skaven, various army books and spent about 6 years playing warhammer fantasy). Creative Assembly/Sega might ruin one game boo hoo. GW killed a game universe that lasted 28 years that many people spent time, money and effort building, painting and accruing hundreds at least just to get ONE army. I can spend 60 something dollars and get 5 fairly decently balanced armies in one game if I pre-order. Even if the game is a jumbled mess it's just 60 USD down the drain. I've known codex/army book releases that have ruined whole armies and at least forced hundreds to be spent just to make a person's army worthwhile in a game.

Basically GW killed my game universe. If Creative Assembly wants to slightly rip me off with a half baked game that needs heavy patching and DLC at release just so I can re-live my glorious warhammer fantasy universe one last time in all its wondrous glory then so be it. I'd almost give a blow job to every creative assembly team member just to give me Total War: Warhammer. This is how badly GW screwed warhammer fantasy enthusiasts and how much I'm willing to put up with crap just for one last hurrah of warhammer fantasy.

I just want to say this, we have no indication that the game might be half-baked, by what I've seen the game is looking to be quite promising, it will require patches to help fix the bugs, but I'm looking forward to it.

 War Kitten wrote:
I just want to say this, we have no indication that the game might be half-baked, by what I've seen the game is looking to be quite promising, it will require patches to help fix the bugs, but I'm looking forward to it.

Making pre-order a bigger deal is a sign that it might be and that the gameplay is probably staged in some form or another. At least that's one possibility. That or the fact they're trying to get more people to pre-order and maybe it's not 100% patched yet. At this point I'm fine with it. Nothing creative assembly can realistically do will ever compare to 'Age of Sigmar' and the death of warhammer fantasy.