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*EDIT* NEW LIST POSTED BELOW

I found my old Blood Angles models and want to re-paint and build a list around them.

I'd appreciate your feedback for the list. I am only missing the 3 heavy support pieces and two heavy flamers for the tac squads. If you think my dollars would be better spent on other units, let me know. But in general, any feedback would be helpful. I haven't played much since 4th edition xD

HQ - 85 PTS

Librarian - 85 PTS
- Bike

TROOPS - 250

5 x Tac Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

5 x Tac Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

ELITES - 366

6 x Death Company - 198
2 Thunder Hammers
Jump Packs
CC Weapons/ Bolt Pistols

6 x Death Company - 168
1 Thunder Hammer
Jump Packs
CC Weapons/ Bolt Pistols

FAST ATTACK - 385

3 x Attack Bikes - 165
Multi Meltas
(Librarian here for start)

5 x Assault Marines - 115
2 Plasma Guns

5 x Assault Marines - 105
2 Melta Guns

HEAVY SUPPORT -

Baal Predator - 140
Storm Bolter
Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Vindicator - 135
Storm Bolter
Overcharged Engines

Vindicator - 135
Storm Bolter
Overcharged Engines

Total - 1496 Pts

For my 1850 List, I'm adding a unit of 8 Death Company on Jump Packs with 3 more TH's (one of the DC with TH is going into the 6 man squad to give them all 2 TH's each).
Then, I'm upgrading the Rhino's to Razorbacks with Las Cannon/ TL Plasma Guns.

Basically the 5 Vehicles will block LOS for the jump pack infantry behind them as I move up the board. I'm not sure about the Heavy Flamer for tac Squads, I might just keep them bback and give a missile launcher instead. Let me know what you guys think

Cheers,
Bender

Looks great!

My personal preference is to never have only one psyker level.
Try to upgrade you Libby to level two or replace him with a Priest.
With FnP your attack bikes will be immortal.

I personally don't care for Vindicators. They have no way to ignore cover and side AV 11.

Heavy flamers are going to do way more damage than missile launchers. Never use missile launchers except typhoons on speeders and Stormravens.

Looks good. I'm thinking about running a similar list with 2 baal predators for LOS blocking and decent dakka to get those Death Company up the board in better shape. I like playing with vindicators, but I don't like wasting a demolisher cannon ordinance blast on a tank or a weak troop squad but that's often times the only target you get. I find Baal preds more versatile. But it's fun to blast a squad of elites with a vindicator for sure. I can't think of a time you would need 2 though. maybe 1 vindicator and 2 baals would be better.

I might recommend the flesh tearers formation - you would only need one of those tactical squads and then you can use the points on another assault squad or something else. I would also recommend a bare bones scout squad as a troop, or sniper rifles I like cause they look cool. 5 tac marines usually won't accomplish much as far as damage output (though the heavy flamer is nice, I wouldn't count on getting more than 1 shot out of it) and scouts don't need a rhino as they infiltrate. 55 points total for all compulsory troops is nice. Scouts might be better at objectives than tac squads overall too because of their special rules. Go to ground in good cover on an obj with camo cloaks and you got 2++

Librarian on a bike to get yourself reroll shooting for your MM attack bikes I take it? That's a good idea. Priest is a good option too. I play a little bike star wit a captain w/ articifer armor, storm shield and combi weapon on a bike, a priest on a bike with warlord and combi weapon, and then a squad of 3 or 4 bikes with 2 special weapons and sergeant with a combi weapon. An attack bike if it fits. Let that captain tank your wounds with 2+, 3++, fnp, 3 W. It's hard to kill and fun to buzz around shooting grav or melta with a sturdy unit. I give my captain a power fist too to peel off and punch a tank when I get the chance.

I always lose though because I just play an Eldar wraith army every time I play. 1 knight, 3 serpents with guard, and other stuff that rends me

Death company I'd take just 5 man squads with power fist

I wouldn't put plasma guns on assault marines since they can't fire them and assault in the same turn...

Honestly just paint up one of the the other assault squads as another death company unit, they are way better.

Thanks for all the advice

I may go with the sang priest - I think I have a JP model that I could convert. But yes, the idea is to reroll those Muti Melta's with the Librarian. I'll try to find some points for level 2 psyched if I keep him.

So everyone seems to prefer the Baal Predators. I'll definitely consider running two and one Vindi.

@chaosmaurader - I may end up going drop Pod's for the assault squads and running them with meltas/ combo meltas instead of the current load out. I think I have some spare DC models if I wanted to substitute these units.

One other unit I'm tempted to pick up is the Sternguard in a Rhino. Has anyone had success with them? I'd run them pretty bare bones if I used them. Or are death company just that much better?

@kps - I thought about the Flesh Tearer's detachment, but I like the +1 initiative and don't mind having 2 rhinos to help block LOS for my marines/ bikes.

 chaosmarauder wrote:
Death company I'd take just 5 man squads with power fist

I wouldn't put plasma guns on assault marines since they can't fire them and assault in the same turn...

Honestly just paint up one of the the other assault squads as another death company unit, they are way better.

I second what is said here. You have a lot of points invested in upgrades to your DC. You are better off "downgrading" them to just one Power Fist per five Marines. I would try to drum up enough points to run three squads of five, each squad equipped with a single Power Fist. With I5 on the charge, you are fast enough that Concussive isn't really warranted.

@casvalremdelkun - Thanks, I'll drop one of the TH's for sure. If I have enough power fist models, I'll substitute them in.

Not sure I will have enough points to add a third squad, but I definitely will for the 1850 list.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
With everyone's thoughts in mind, here's the updated list:

HQ

Librarian - 115
Bike
Level 2
Malta Bombs

Troops:

5 x Tactical Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

5 x Tactical Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

Elites:

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

Fast Attack:

3 x Attack Bikes - 165
Multi Meltas
(Librarian Here)

5 x Assault Marines - 115
Drop Pod
2 Melta Guns, Combi Melta

Heavy Support

Baal Predator - 145
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Storm Bolter
Dozer Blades

Baal Predator - 145
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Storm Bolter
Dozer Blades

Vindicator - 145
Overcharged Engines
Storm Bolter
Siege Shield

Total 1500 PTS

Drop Pod as alpha strike/ backline distraction. Vehicles moving up and cover fire while block LOS for DC and attack bikes. Tacticals for anti infantry/ objective scoring.

Looks like a good, fun, balanced, fluffy list

Its a bit on the casual side so just make sure you play against like minded opponents and you should have some good games.

Avoid the Eldar.

I'd play Eldar knowing you're the underdog - if he rolls poorly and you get some luck and win the victory is so much more sweeter

@chaosmarauder - well I won't be taking the list to any tournaments and fun is the main goal. Just want a fighting chance to win most games.

With that said, I'd be curious to see how you would get the most out of a BA's list (allies excluded). If you have any lists, let me know, I'd be curious to see.

I think MSU is definitely the way to go as you've done there. At above 1500 you'll probably find you'll start running out of slots and I'd recommend taking another detachment of some sort.

The rest really depends on the type of missions you play and the opponents you face. Be aware that mono BA without allies will struggle against quite a lot of the other armies you face

Bender wrote:
@chaosmarauder - well I won't be taking the list to any tournaments and fun is the main goal. Just want a fighting chance to win most games.

With that said, I'd be curious to see how you would get the most out of a BA's list (allies excluded). If you have any lists, let me know, I'd be curious to see.

I play for fun too, and my lists are more fluffy and casual than yours lol - I bring lots of units that I know are crap cause I lovem - especially terminators (I use the ones from space hulk they look awesome)

The cool part is if you're not playing tournaments and you learn how to play you will still win a decent amount of times even with a fluff list because of all the random factors. (And I think the dice gods favour the painted fluffy models)


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And baal preds - somehow my last game my baal shot down a flying hive tyrant

Bender wrote:
@casvalremdelkun - Thanks, I'll drop one of the TH's for sure. If I have enough power fist models, I'll substitute them in.

Not sure I will have enough points to add a third squad, but I definitely will for the 1850 list.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
With everyone's thoughts in mind, here's the updated list:

HQ

Librarian - 115
Bike
Level 2
Malta Bombs

Troops:

5 x Tactical Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

5 x Tactical Squad - 125
Heavy Flamer
Rhino

Elites:

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

5 x DC - 140
Jump Packs
1 Power Fist
CC Weapons + Bolt Pistols

Fast Attack:

3 x Attack Bikes - 165
Multi Meltas
(Librarian Here)

5 x Assault Marines - 115
Drop Pod
2 Melta Guns, Combi Melta

Heavy Support

Baal Predator - 145
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Storm Bolter
Dozer Blades

Baal Predator - 145
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Storm Bolter
Dozer Blades

Vindicator - 145
Overcharged Engines
Storm Bolter
Siege Shield

Total 1500 PTS

Drop Pod as alpha strike/ backline distraction. Vehicles moving up and cover fire while block LOS for DC and attack bikes. Tacticals for anti infantry/ objective scoring.

That is much better. The melta assault marines in a drop pod is very good. If it was me personally, I would try to have the assault marine sergeant with two inferno pistols instead (gunslinger rule), as you would have two melta shots instead of one, plus if by some miracle that unit isn't wiped out by retaliation gunfire, he can continue to fire them and also get the extra attack in melee. The Vindicator can be useful, but I am not a fan of them. For the same points cost you could have two landspeeders (one with multi-melta and heavy flamer and one with typhoon missile launcher) or you could have a dreadnought in a drop pod to land right next to something and blow it up. You've still got what looks like a pretty decent list there, the Vindicator could still do well for you, just personal preference to include it I guess. If you do take it, bear in mind that it will be a fire magnet, so perhaps run it behind your Rhinos if there is insufficient cover for it nearby.




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 chaosmarauder wrote:

Bender wrote:
@chaosmarauder - well I won't be taking the list to any tournaments and fun is the main goal. Just want a fighting chance to win most games.

With that said, I'd be curious to see how you would get the most out of a BA's list (allies excluded). If you have any lists, let me know, I'd be curious to see.

I play for fun too, and my lists are more fluffy and casual than yours lol - I bring lots of units that I know are crap cause I lovem - especially terminators (I use the ones from space hulk they look awesome)

The cool part is if you're not playing tournaments and you learn how to play you will still win a decent amount of times even with a fluff list because of all the random factors. (And I think the dice gods favour the painted fluffy models)


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And baal preds - somehow my last game my baal shot down a flying hive tyrant

I'm with you on this one! I play Blood Angels for fun rather than competitiveness too. I find that even if I lose with my Blood Angels, I always manage to take a large amount of my opponents army down in the process. They certainly know about it when my Death Company charge home! Let's face it, if we wanted to be competitive we would play as Eldar

Having fun is what counts and assault for me is the most fun part of 40k, sitting back and shooting all the time is nowhere near as enjoyable.

@Slaphead - to be honest, I want the vindicator to draw a lot of fire and I don't expect it to get a shot off most games. This list is focused on the 3 DC squads and they need to get across the board with minimal casualties. Between the drop pod and vindi, I think I'll buy them some time. That's the plan anyway.