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Ok I'm new, I've yet to buy anything but a Khador faction book. I want to play Khador I know this much. My initial thought was buy the 2 player battle box and work from there. A friend will play with me so having Menoth would be fine. BUT the Menoth Jack needs to be modded into another better Jack and Khador you'll not see much use of the MOW Shocktroopers.

Is it feasible to just build my own 15point "battle box" Khador army rather than buy the 2 player battle box? I do want to play Menoth some time in my future but I'll be buying anther faction to play against me, and I'll play as well switching between the two, but I want Cygnar to be that other faction and I read their Battle box is meh at best and so I was wondering how should I go about this? Buy the 2 player bb and work off it for Khador (not using the MOW) and save the Menoth for later. Then buy a 15 point army of Cygnar piece by piece?

It's racking my brain... Thanks everyone.

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Journeyman rules have an 'alternative khador battlebox' which is butcher, a kodiak and a decimator. It's quite legit. Just magnetise the decimator and you can run him as a juggernaut as well if you want.

Alternatively, look for one of the 'all in one' army deals pp released a while back.

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If you are sure you want to play the game and build up to the 35-50 point level, and aren't just wanting to dip your toe in to see if you like it, then I would start with the battle boxes and some other purchases and not get the 2 player set.

If you want to start Cygnar, Khador, and Menoth, here is what I would purchase.

Khador: Battlebox, a unit of Widowmakers, the plastic box of Winterguard Infantry, and Kovnik Joe.

This gives you: pSorcha, a Juggernaut, a Destroyer, Widowmakers, max Winterguard with UA and Rocketeers, and Kovnik Joe.

Cygnar: Battlebox, Squire, unit of Gunmages, Gunmage UA, unit of Stormblades and their UA.

This will give you: pStryker, Ironclad, Lancer, Charger, unit of Gunmages with UA, and a unit of Stormblades with UA.

Menoth: Battle Box, Vanquisher heavy jack, Reckoner heavy jack, Choir, unit of Errants and Errant UA, Rupert Carvolo(Merc solo)

This will give you: pKreoss, Repenter, Vanquisher, Templar(use the extra bits from the Vanquisher kit to turn the Crusader into a Templar), Reckoner, Revenger, Choir of Menoth, max Errants with UA, and Rupert.


These would all be roughly balanced against each other at the 35 point level and be comparable in cost.

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I started Convergence with my own choices, but went back and got the battle box because it was so useful. I'd say, with few exceptions, start with the battle box.



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Satyxis Raider






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Definitely doable. But I'd still start at lower points values. It's how I started. I never played the battlebox straight until years after I started. And that was only to teach a friend of mine.

Also is a bigger initial investment as the boxes are dirt cheap for what you get. But if you pay the game long term you can save some cash possibly. Though you can often sell off parts of the 2 player box.
   
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Unless you need the financial savings I would not buy the 2-player battlebox for the Khador half.

EDIT: I'm bad at words

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Most of the armies I have played have been scratch built. Only when I first started did I buy the Khador and Cryx Battleboxes. They are a great learning point, and are a good deal for what you get. The Khador box contents are all useful, Juggernaut is a good cheap beatstick. The Destroyer isn't bad, it is pretty expensive points wise for what it does without a little help, but still useful.

And Sorscha, I started with her when the game came out, and I still use her quite a bit. A lot of guys say they only use her for her feat, but she can be quite versatile, and surprising.

If your just starting out, I would get the Battlebox. Learn what plays well with you and expand slowly, start with a good unit like the Iron Fang Pikemen, Widowmakers, Greylord Ternion or the Winter Guard. Grab a few good Solos and get playing.
   
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If you are looking long term and want to save a little money, try and find the Khador All in One Army Box. https://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/starter-products/all-in-one-army-boxes/warmachine-all-in-one-army-box-khador

This box has units you will use in almost every list you make. You basically get a free heavy Warjack in the box army. Buy The Butcher separately and you will have your army for the entire League.

As a side note, the Butcher list (Butcher, Kodiak, Decimator) is very much a skew list. The Butcher is basically a heavy warjack himself, but you will always be outnumbered up until you get into the 20 point range of the League. Because the list is such a skew, he will either win big, or lose big in the early part of the League. As the points go up and more selections can be made/added, the Butcher quickly falls behind and becomes one of the weaker warcasters in the League.

Remember that in Mangled Metal, when you lose your warjacks, you lose the game. It's not about just assassinating the opposing warcaster/warlock. After the first week, the scenario becomes Killing Field or No Mans Land, and the Butcher starts to wain as he just can't compete that well in scenario play. Don't get me wrong, he's a fun warcaster for the first couple weeks- you'll either win big or lose big. After that, the factions that can already deal with him just steamroll him, and the other factions start to get more and more tools to deal with him. Meanwhile, the Butcher pretty much continues to play the same way he did at the beginning of the League.

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Well, I started Cyriss with the starter box (Syntherion) and Cryx from scratch. Both ways are doable as long as you know what to get first. I'd recommend BattleCollege for more information.

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Seattle, WA

Have you played similar games before? If so you don't need a battle box. I picked the caster and jacks I wanted to.

I also had 15+ years of various tt gaming exp. Mostly 40k.

if you are new to tt gaming then a battle box may be best. They are cheap so if you decide is not your thing you aren't of as much money.

The first time I used my "battle box" was a year ago teaching a new person to play.
   
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 Mordekiem wrote:
Have you played similar games before? If so you don't need a battle box. I picked the caster and jacks I wanted to.

I also had 15+ years of various tt gaming exp. Mostly 40k.

if you are new to tt gaming then a battle box may be best. They are cheap so if you decide is not your thing you aren't of as much money.

The first time I used my "battle box" was a year ago teaching a new person to play.

They're good for escalation leagues or if its a tricky faction to learn, like Convergence.
Also, most of them are stuff you'd get anyway so might as well just get it for a deal in a BB.
And, as you say, great for teaching others.



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Not all of them are stuff you'd get anyways. It really depends on the faction and what caster you end up playing. For example I'm not a fan of either the Khador or Cygnar boxes. Even Cryx is meh if you prefer different arcnodes.

Sometimes you can get them cheap enough that one model is worth it. But it is worth pricing out.
   
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Cryx and Khador come with Sorsha and Denny. Why wouldn't you want them?
The Khador one, I grant you is the one I would avoid.

Edit: Unless you're talking about tournament quality, then I'd agree with you.

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If you want those casters great. But if not. ..

and you can always get them by themselves cheap. Probably from someone who bought the whole box.

the arcnodes in Cryx are nice. But many people prefer the guys with the blasters. A two pack of them is cheap as they are plastic. I rarely use the bb nodes.
   
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I did my custom army when I started. I looked through the khador book, loved how strakhov looked and his rules, along with torch, and built my 20pt list from there. Consisted of strakhov, torch, assault kommandos with ua, pikemen, and the alchemist guy(I forgot name) so many smoke clouds!! Lol I think I went 3-1 in that journeyman league.

 
   
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 Cptskillet wrote:
I did my custom army when I started. I looked through the khador book, loved how strakhov looked and his rules, along with torch, and built my 20pt list from there. Consisted of strakhov, torch, assault kommandos with ua, pikemen, and the alchemist guy(I forgot name) so many smoke clouds!! Lol I think I went 3-1 in that journeyman league.


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You forget this is the WM/H area, it can be a little quiet.

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 welshhoppo wrote:
You forget this is the WM/H area, it can be a little quiet.


I forgot about that.

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Start with your own choices, imo! I don't personally like many of the battle box mixes, and they're also so "standard". With how big of a role the warcaster / warlock you choose plays, I'd read up on them first and pick one you like, then a few models / units that synergize well with it (in theory to start, of course ) and go from there!
   
 
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