Most OP unit in non-FW, non-apocalypse Warhammer_40000.

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**Chaos Spawn**

Hi
What do you lot think is the most over-powered unit in non forgeworld, non apocalypse Warhammer_40000?

**oz of the north**

WraithKnight, if non-gargantuan then toss up between grav cent or scatter bikes.

**curran12**

Wraithknight, there was actually a survey on this somewhere.

**Chaos Spawn**

I say Kairos Fateweaver when near the Grimoire Of True Names and rolling Iron Arm on Biomancy.

**curran12**

http://ftgtgaming.blogspot.com/2015/11/top-10-strongest-units-in-40k.html here it is.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Why bother with the non-FW/Apocalypse category? The Wraithknight wins regardless.

**Chaos Spawn**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why bother with the non-FW/Apocalypse category? The Wraithknight wins regardless.

No, because I said Fateweaver near GoTN with Iron Arm.

**Ashiraya**

Fateweaver loses. One 6 on the D or stomp and he is gone.

**Vaktathi**

Just about anything with the word "Wraith" in it in general.

**Chaos Spawn**

Fateweaver's flying.

**ImAGeek**

Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?

**Chaos Spawn**

Firstly, sorry I didn't mean that be argumentative I just wanted an explanation. Next, because he's flying you've got to Snap Fire, meaning you need a double six to entirely annihilate him straight off.

**Vector Strike**

All you need is one failed grounding test and he's toast.

**Chaos Spawn**

Re-rollable grounding test.

**Furyou Miko**

ImAGeek wrote:
Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?

Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Furyou Miko wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?

Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.

Any melee Str. D. For that matter, Wraithguard.

**Furyou Miko**

... And melee weapons help against a flier... how exactly?

I had forgotten Wraithcannons though, you're right. So used to only hearing about D-scythes, heh.

**ImAGeek**

Furyou Miko wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Why ask a question if you aren't going to listen to what people say? And does flying help protect Fateweaver from D weapons?

Name one non-template D-weapon that's not on a Tiger Shark A-X-10, which is disqualified from this competition by virtue of being Forge World.

I was genuinely asking, I'm not overly familiar with the rules for flyers.

**Vector Strike**

Chaos Spawn wrote:
Re-rollable grounding test.

And how you manage to do that, prey tell?

**Champion of Slaanesh**

Vector Strike wrote:
Chaos Spawn wrote:
Re-rollable grounding test.

And how you manage to do that, prey tell?

Fateweavers allowed to re roll one D6 per player turn

**niv-mizzet**

Wraithknight.

Your fate weaver scenario requires a second unit to buff him, random psychic powers to go your way, and he can't hold objectives unless he lands. If you allowed a second unit and random powers to count for something, then a council throwing invis and guide on the wraithknight is just as fair.

Take away the assist units and you have may-be-good fatey and WILL-be-good wraithknight.

**Vector Strike**

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:
Chaos Spawn wrote:
Re-rollable grounding test.

And how you manage to do that, prey tell?

Fateweavers allowed to re roll one D6 per player turn

There are more important things to re-roll, no? Warp Storm Table, a key psychic power, an enemy's save, a charge...

**Arkaine**

Vector Strike wrote:
Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:
Chaos Spawn wrote:
Re-rollable grounding test.

And how you manage to do that, prey tell?

Fateweavers allowed to re roll one D6 per player turn

There are more important things to re-roll, no? Warp Storm Table, a key psychic power, an enemy's save, a charge...

PER PLAYER TURN! Your enemy will be attempting to kill you on HIS turn. The things you listed happen on YOUR turn. There is nothing more important than ensuring future re-rolls.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Chaos Spawn wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why bother with the non-FW/Apocalypse category? The Wraithknight wins regardless.

No, because I said Fateweaver near GoTN with Iron Arm.

The Grimmoire is going to be from another unit, and Iron Arm hardly helps Fateweaver.

For the points spent, Wraithknights are much better.

**JamesY**

Plus if he's flying, keeping him in range of the grimoire bearer might not be easy.

**master of ordinance**

The Wraithknight. Nothing should be that fast, that manoeuvrable, that tough to kill and that powerful in both shooting and melee phases and cost as little as it does.

**Chaos Spawn**

Have the Grimoire bearer flying.
T8 as a pose to T5 does make a huge difference.
Fateweaver can re-roll Warpstorm anyway due to his automatic Warlord Trait, Lord of Unreality.

**curran12**

Okay, so what are you going to do with him?

If he's flying, he's just throwing psychic powers. If he's grounded, he is really not THAT nasty in melee, even with Iron Arm.

He's hard to kill, but so what? What damage is he going to do?

**Chaos Spawn**

Anyway, it seems we only have 2 units in the running. Just wondering how man points a Wraithknight is, I know that for some incomprehensible reason it's cheaper than Fateweaver.

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What damage!?
Last time I checked 2 S8 AP1/2 beams +some extra was quite a lot per turn

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Oh, and that's not to mention the free units he can easily summon!

**Slayer-Fan123**

He can't just "easily" summon them. He requires even more Warp Charges, which adds onto his cost when you need to buy more units to contribute.

Wraithknight wins. The Wraithknight is the most disgusting thing to happen in game balance ever.