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A friend of mine asked me to try to draw some attention to this.

https://www.change.org/p/games-workshop-reboot-the-sisters-of-battle-adepta-sororitas-army-models-in-plastic

It's a petition on Change.org to try to get Games Workshop to dedicate some much needed love to the Sisters of Battle.

I did a search on Dakka (and even tried the old trick of using Google to search Dakka for me) but still couldn't find a thread on this. (If there is one, I apologize.)

In any event, if recent pledges for the TGG2 are any indication, there's certainly some avid interest in a Sisters army with a greater range. It would be nice to see them get a little more love from the home office.

They tried something like that a year or two ago. I even signed it. It didn't do anything.
GW doesn't listen or care.
What about that petition of over 10,000 signatures to get GW to improve their rules?
Nothing came of that either.
GW doesn't listen or care.

I'll skip this one.
The buy-a-model day doesn't seem to have worked, so a petition won't.

I know. If I don't sign, why should anyone else, but GW is a very frustrating opponent.

Sisters are done. The faster you accept that the faster you can move on. Maybe even to another game or company that cares even a little bit about their consumer or has any practical business sense.

Get over the fact that GWhas more or less abbandonden them, and find a game system that is not run into the ground by the company that made it. Will save you a lot of grief

The sooner GW dies the sooner another company can revive sisters

Yeah right-ho feller.

Sisters have never sold enough, no amount of feet stamping will change that.

Wow, this thread sure turned grim right from the first reply

But yeah, we had the "buy a Sister" petition and I think that would have done more to help than this petition.

The petition has been going for a year and has only collected 1322 signatures.... I hope GW don't see it otherwise we'll never get a new Sisters codex. If every one of those 1322 signatures bought a codex it'd amount to one of the most unsuccessful armies (if not the most).

 notprop wrote:
Yeah right-ho feller.

Sisters have never sold enough, no amount of feet stamping will change that.

Strange Kickstarter says otherwise
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/tgg2-light-and-darkness

I have been waiting for plastic sisters as long as I have been playing, right up until I quit 40k.
I don't expect GW to change, and I don't think I really care about it enough now.

As i like to say in this sort of thread, a petition is the threat of boycott. Is anyone who is willing to sign this and still buying from gw, willing to boycott gw if this particular petition fails? Clicking buttons on the internet is fun, but generally not very productive. Worse if it ends with your email address being given to spam mailers.

You'd be better off convincing one of the newer entries in the plastics market (Wargames Factory maybe) that there's a market for plastic Grimdark Battle Nuns.

Heck, make some contacts and try kickstarting it yourself.

Have people put their money where their mouths are.

In the meantime Dreamforge's female tank hunters ain't bad. They ain't SoB but there's a great kit and look really good.

Yeah, accept GW aren't going to make them and look elsewhere. Many other companies do better models.

IF GW do them, expect the price to be excruciating.

Are the Sisters the wargaming version of Firefly?

Look at the Storm Troopers, $35 for 5, $70 for a 10 man squad.

That's about what I would expect.

Jehan-reznor wrote:
Strange Kickstarter says otherwise
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/tgg2-light-and-darkness

Pfuh. Roginshirozz' fetish range. Best argument for female space marines yet.

Skinnereal wrote:Are the Sisters the wargaming version of Firefly?

Has an interesting concept and diehard fanbase but not really very well made or widely popular?

 Torga_DW wrote:
As i like to say in this sort of thread, a petition is the threat of boycott. Is anyone who is willing to sign this and still buying from gw, willing to boycott gw if this particular petition fails? Clicking buttons on the internet is fun, but generally not very productive. Worse if it ends with your email address being given to spam mailers.

That's an odd way of looking at it. I kind of saw this one as being the exact opposite. Rather than each signature representing a Sisters player threatening to boycott Games Workshop, I kind of saw it as each signature representing a potential customer: someone who would buy Sisters if they were updated (and in plastic).

 Vermis wrote:

Skinnereal wrote:Are the Sisters the wargaming version of Firefly?

Has an interesting concept and diehard fanbase but not really very well made or widely popular?

Ha!

I admire the enthusiasm behind this kind of thing and completely understand the desire for it.

Unfortunately it presupposes that the company who receives the petition even gives the slightest feth.

Good luck with your petition but GW won't listen

Wow, this is a horrible and entitled use of Change

Shhh, don't get too noisy, or the Sisters will all be either:
A. Eaten by the Tyranids
B. Overwhelmed by Chaos - just so Abbadon can have a win.

Hey, it's already happened to the Squats.....

The Auld Grump

 Vermis wrote:

Skinnereal wrote:Are the Sisters the wargaming version of Firefly?

Has an interesting concept and a diehard fanbase but not really very well made or widely popular?

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
As i like to say in this sort of thread, a petition is the threat of boycott. Is anyone who is willing to sign this and still buying from gw, willing to boycott gw if this particular petition fails? Clicking buttons on the internet is fun, but generally not very productive. Worse if it ends with your email address being given to spam mailers.

That's an odd way of looking at it. I kind of saw this one as being the exact opposite. Rather than each signature representing a Sisters player threatening to boycott Games Workshop, I kind of saw it as each signature representing a potential customer: someone who would buy Sisters if they were updated (and in plastic).

The thing is, most people who sign these petitions to gw are already customers who will continue purchasing regardless of the outcome. This is why gw ignores petitions - there's no consequence to them. Why would they change their practices for people that are going to support them regardless?

 Skinnereal wrote:

The buy-a-model day doesn't seem to have worked, so a petition won't.

Ah, that one. The high-ups at Nottingham must be still laughing, if they even noticed at all, that is.

Seriously, I appreciate people's enthusiasm but this battle is lost before the fight even begins.

In the end, the only vote or signature that counts is the one you do with your wallet.

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
As i like to say in this sort of thread, a petition is the threat of boycott. Is anyone who is willing to sign this and still buying from gw, willing to boycott gw if this particular petition fails? Clicking buttons on the internet is fun, but generally not very productive. Worse if it ends with your email address being given to spam mailers.

That's an odd way of looking at it. I kind of saw this one as being the exact opposite. Rather than each signature representing a Sisters player threatening to boycott Games Workshop, I kind of saw it as each signature representing a potential customer: someone who would buy Sisters if they were updated (and in plastic).

The thing is, most people who sign these petitions to gw are already customers who will continue purchasing regardless of the outcome. This is why gw ignores petitions - there's no consequence to them. Why would they change their practices for people that are going to support them regardless?

I guess what I meant is that each signature represents someone, even if they are already a GW customer, who would buy MORE product if they had Sisters available.

Once again, I don't really have any skin in the game, personally. It's not something that affects me one way or another.

 Vermis wrote:

Jehan-reznor wrote:
Strange Kickstarter says otherwise
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/tgg2-light-and-darkness

Pfuh. Roginshirozz' fetish range. Best argument for female space marines yet.

Skinnereal wrote:Are the Sisters the wargaming version of Firefly?

Has an interesting concept and diehard fanbase but not really very well made or widely popular?

Obviously by the Female Space Marine comment you literally don't like them. I like the way you alienate anybody who bought RH figures, Sisters fans, and have no idea about how they sold or that they have existed as long as Space marines ?


You know sisters started with one box that sold so well it got more? Just like Necrons? But I don't see you saying everyone who likes Necrons is a terminator fanboy or a robofetishist.

Sisters sold fine its nothing to do with that. Just like Squats its because nobody at head office is willing to champion them.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
As i like to say in this sort of thread, a petition is the threat of boycott. Is anyone who is willing to sign this and still buying from gw, willing to boycott gw if this particular petition fails? Clicking buttons on the internet is fun, but generally not very productive. Worse if it ends with your email address being given to spam mailers.

That's an odd way of looking at it. I kind of saw this one as being the exact opposite. Rather than each signature representing a Sisters player threatening to boycott Games Workshop, I kind of saw it as each signature representing a potential customer: someone who would buy Sisters if they were updated (and in plastic).

The thing is, most people who sign these petitions to gw are already customers who will continue purchasing regardless of the outcome. This is why gw ignores petitions - there's no consequence to them. Why would they change their practices for people that are going to support them regardless?

I guess what I meant is that each signature represents someone, even if they are already a GW customer, who would buy MORE product if they had Sisters available.

Once again, I don't really have any skin in the game, personally. It's not something that affects me one way or another.

The problem there is that the petition doesn't have very many signatures. Even if you took every signature as a potential codex purchase, it'd be one of the least popular armies. And if you consider that many of those signatures are probably duplicates or a message of solidarity from people who don't even collect Sisters.... I'd personally NOT want GW to see that petition because it probably tells them they shouldn't revive Sisters because the popularity isn't there.

The TGG thing is probably a better petition because that had significantly more backers than the petition had signatures, but then as migoo pointed out that's more of a fetish range than anything

Based on previous comments, I think I'll be taking some peoples' analysis of RH sales with a grain of salt.

That being said, I think the number of people who would buy Sisters, if they existed, with a real codex, in plastic, is a much higher number than the number of people on the petition. (Heck, the guy who asked me to post the petition hadn't even heard about it until this week!) I don't know many people who consider Change.org (or petitions in general) to be anything more than an exercise in futility, (and hey, the comments section agrees with me!) but I know tons of folks who have said something along the lines of, "I'd buy a Sisters of Battle army, but they don't have a real codex" or "They don't have enough models/units."

(Hell, around here, one of the two main 40k clubs has a de facto ban on Sisters entirely, because they don't allow e-codexes. I've heard several of their players state that they would love to have a Sisters army, but the club rules make it pointless to even try--all the guys I asked there cited that as their reason for not backing the latest TGG KS.)