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One of my biggest pet-peeves is people that play with unpainted models, don't get me wrong some people take a while to paint, but if in a month you can't finish one squad then common. At are local gaming store we made a house rule that you need to have at least 3 colours and the base done if you want to play. Know one wants to see a army of primed models or the sea of grey.
How does everyone else feel about this, paint and play.?

I prefer to play with painted models myself. But as I'm an incredibly slow painter sometimes I'll play with unpainted stuff, but I make an effort to not play with something unless it is at least basecoated. If my opponent wants to play with unpainted minis that's their business, not mine. Would I prefer if everyone had painted stuff? Yes, definitely, but everyone hobby's in their own way.

Some people don't have time, some people just don't want to, and some people feel like they're too bad to paint.

I live in southern Ontario.

The warmest, balmiest part of Canada.

There are two three-month long windows in which the local weather might be friendly to spray-on primers. Which is further complicated if you don't plan on doing it piecemeal in the late hours after work or on the weekend.

No, I don't fault anyone for missing that window or not wanting to risk trying it during the humid, damp, or frosty months.

This topic comes up frequently. It almost always gets heated and eventually locked as it's hard to have the conversation without being insulting (either intentionally or not). Here is a thread that came up when I searched "unpainted".

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/650417.page

There have been many others.

 Matthew wrote:
Some people don't have time, some people just don't want to, and some people feel like they're too bad to paint.

everyone has time to paint, it's called being lazy and not wanting to that's the problem


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 Captain Joystick wrote:
I live in southern Ontario.

The warmest, balmiest part of Canada.

There are two three-month long windows in which the local weather might be friendly to spray-on primers. Which is further complicated if you don't plan on doing it piecemeal in the late hours after work or on the weekend.

No, I don't fault anyone for missing that window or not wanting to risk trying it during the humid, damp, or frosty months.

go to the garage and prime there

 Captain Joystick wrote:
I live in southern Ontario.

The warmest, balmiest part of Canada.

There are two three-month long windows in which the local weather might be friendly to spray-on primers. Which is further complicated if you don't plan on doing it piecemeal in the late hours after work or on the weekend.

No, I don't fault anyone for missing that window or not wanting to risk trying it during the humid, damp, or frosty months.

Good primers are much less sensitive. I'll spray plastikote/valspar down to 3C (warming the can in water to waste less propellent).

Here's some more...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/651353.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660110.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/618783.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/420990.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/611325.page

We can even go back a few years and find this thread...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/400622.page

Funnily enough, year after year it's often the same people making the same arguments


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Dman137 wrote:
everyone has time to paint, it's called being lazy and not wanting to that's the problem

And this is why these threads never end well...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Here's some more...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/651353.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660110.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/618783.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/420990.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/611325.page

We can even go back a few years and find this thread...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/400622.page

Funnily enough, year after year it's often the same people making the same arguments


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Dman137 wrote:
everyone has time to paint, it's called being lazy and not wanting to that's the problem

And this is why these threads never end well...

there's no excuse for not painting your models, everyone has time.


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Dman137 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Here's some more...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/651353.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/660110.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/618783.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/420990.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/611325.page

We can even go back a few years and find this thread...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/400622.page

Funnily enough, year after year it's often the same people making the same arguments


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Dman137 wrote:
everyone has time to paint, it's called being lazy and not wanting to that's the problem

And this is why these threads never end well...

there's no excuse for not painting your models, everyone has time.

but the point I'm trying to make is all stores should make the house rule that if you want to play it needs to be painted (at least 3 colours and based)

Last time someone told me they all need atleast two colors or I cant play. i simply informed them if I wanted a model painted as crappy as theirs maybe I would have more painted. But I like nice things.

When I was in a tornie and the said in the rules i out two nearly microscopic dots on the leg of all them they had two colours.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Last time someone told me they all need atleast two colors or I cant play. i simply informed them if I wanted a model painted as crappy as theirs maybe I would have more painted. But I like nice things.

When I was in a tornie and the said in the rules i out two nearly microscopic dots on the leg of all them they had two colours.

thats weak man common. And I'm surprised the event didn't just kick you out, I've been a T.O at events that people tried to bring unpainted stuff to and I just didn't let them play or if it was just one unit that essential painted then they didn't get to use that unit.

I enjoy games more if it has good terrain and if both armies are painted.
But painting is time consuming and most of us don't have that much free time to allocate at painting, so it is unreasonable to play only with 100% painted armies.

Here are some tough guidelines how I feel about it.

My own army
-> Regular models all painted
New models at least painted to the stage that they could pass off as low table top quality.
( everything has a color + some shading and minor highlight but no detail etc painted jet)
This is just so that I enjoy the game more. It is also a great way to avoid your own sculpts, scratch builds and casts to stand out. I don't like the view of them standing and painting them will avoid questions that I don't like to be asked while playing in a store. Having to tell players how to avoid buying the stuff the store sells in the store isn't fun at all.

Beginning players
-> Unpainted models are fine.

Veteran (tournament) players
-> Unpainted armies give me the idea that you don't care enough about me enjoying the game. I don't like these games.

it's not being lazy, once you buy miniatures they are yours its up to the owner if they ant to paint and if do awesome, if not awesome at least they aren't bringing an unopened box ad putting it on the table, ironically i dont play because more often thn not i paint on the sprue then make em, cept deadzone i build then paint diff story,its you to the owner to paint not their opponent

Dman137 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Last time someone told me they all need atleast two colors or I cant play. i simply informed them if I wanted a model painted as crappy as theirs maybe I would have more painted. But I like nice things.

When I was in a tornie and the said in the rules i out two nearly microscopic dots on the leg of all them they had two colours.

thats weak man common. And I'm surprised the event didn't just kick you out, I've been a T.O at events that people tried to bring unpainted stuff to and I just didn't let them play or if it was just one unit that essential painted then they didn't get to use that unit.

Three dots count as painted, so you have an imagined scale of how much must be painted in order to be considered painted? What about those who suck at painting. I find it nearly obscene to look at ugly things. Badly painted not properly highlighted and models not sharing a theme. Take alot a way from the experience and should be told they are imbarassing and told to leave the store.

OgreChubbs wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Last time someone told me they all need atleast two colors or I cant play. i simply informed them if I wanted a model painted as crappy as theirs maybe I would have more painted. But I like nice things.

When I was in a tornie and the said in the rules i out two nearly microscopic dots on the leg of all them they had two colours.

thats weak man common. And I'm surprised the event didn't just kick you out, I've been a T.O at events that people tried to bring unpainted stuff to and I just didn't let them play or if it was just one unit that essential painted then they didn't get to use that unit.

Three dots count as painted, so you have an imagined scale of how much must be painted in order to be considered painted? What about those who suck at painting. I find it nearly obscene to look at ugly things. Badly painted not properly highlighted and models not sharing a theme. Take alot a way from the experience and should be told they are imbarassing and told to leave the store.

at least they tried to paint, and you can only get better with practice. Putting 3 dots on your army is being lazy and a weak excuse. If you have the time to put 3 dots on your guys and the time to bring it to a store or go to a event then you have time to fully paint a army, I work 50-60hour weeks and I still have time to paint.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
I enjoy games more if it has good terrain and if both armies are painted.
But painting is time consuming and most of us don't have that much free time to allocate at painting, so it is unreasonable to play only with 100% painted armies.

Here are some tough guidelines how I feel about it.

My own army
-> Regular models all painted
New models at least painted to the stage that they could pass off as low table top quality.
( everything has a color + some shading and minor highlight but no detail etc painted jet)
This is just so that I enjoy the game more. It is also a great way to avoid your own sculpts, scratch builds and casts to stand out. I don't like the view of them standing and painting them will avoid questions that I don't like to be asked while playing in a store. Having to tell players how to avoid buying the stuff the store sells in the store isn't fun at all.

Beginning players
-> Unpainted models are fine.

Veteran (tournament) players
-> Unpainted armies give me the idea that you don't care enough about me enjoying the game. I don't like these games.

thats a good way to look at it. I feel like there should always be some progression, it shows that you care and are making a effort.

Dman137 wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:
I live in southern Ontario.

The warmest, balmiest part of Canada.

There are two three-month long windows in which the local weather might be friendly to spray-on primers. Which is further complicated if you don't plan on doing it piecemeal in the late hours after work or on the weekend.

No, I don't fault anyone for missing that window or not wanting to risk trying it during the humid, damp, or frosty months.

go to the garage and prime there

I live in an apartment in southern Ontario, and don't have a garage

Anyhow, What ends up happening (for me at any rate) is this just means I've got to time my building and painting around the summer.

Hunam0001 wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:
I live in southern Ontario.

The warmest, balmiest part of Canada.

There are two three-month long windows in which the local weather might be friendly to spray-on primers. Which is further complicated if you don't plan on doing it piecemeal in the late hours after work or on the weekend.

No, I don't fault anyone for missing that window or not wanting to risk trying it during the humid, damp, or frosty months.

go to the garage and prime there

I live in an apartment in southern Ontario, and don't have a garage

Anyhow, What ends up happening (for me at any rate) is this just means I've got to time my building and painting around the summer.

Painted models are obviously nicer, but I certainly wouldn't refuse to play against unpainted ones.

A lot of my models are unpainted, partially painted or painted in the wrong colours, mainly because I despise painting. I find it dull, tedious and repetitive.

 vipoid wrote:
Painted models are obviously nicer, but I certainly wouldn't refuse to play against unpainted ones.

A lot of my models are unpainted, partially painted or painted in the wrong colours, mainly because I despise painting. I find it dull, tedious and repetitive.

so your in this hobby because.??

Dman137 wrote:
so your in this hobby because.??

The game, strangely enough.

Dman, what if I don't want to paint? Also, your 'everyone has time' argument is really weird. Say I go to school, come home at 1700, eat dinner, do homework, do I have time? No.


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Why turn down a nice game because your opponent didn't paint?

 vipoid wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
so your in this hobby because.??

The game, strangely enough.

your better off then just buying painted models then

Dman137 wrote:
your better off then just buying painted models then

Thank you, Sherlock.

Dman137 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
so your in this hobby because.??

The game, strangely enough.

your better off then just buying painted models then

That's pretty much what most of my friends do, they prefer to buy painted second-hand models rather than paint themselves. Kind of a shame really, but to each their own

 Matthew wrote:
Dman, what if I don't want to paint? Also, your 'everyone has time' argument is really weird. Say I go to school, come home at 1700, eat dinner, do homework, do I have time? No.


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Why turn down a nice game because your opponent didn't paint?

you can set aside 20mins to paint, and if you have time to play then you have time to paint. If you want to play at home with your unpainted stuff then all the power to you. But if you want to play at a store then you should paint your models it looks better and it attracts more people, know one likes to look at a unpainted army it's just ugly and boring and shows no effort in the hobby.


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 vipoid wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
your better off then just buying painted models then

Thank you, Sherlock.

then why don't you do that.? Instead of playing with unpainted stuff.?

 War Kitten wrote:
That's pretty much what most of my friends do, they prefer to buy painted second-hand models rather than paint themselves. Kind of a shame really, but to each their own

Do they manage to find consistent paint-schemes across the armies they buy, if you see what I mean?

I actually don't have time recently. I love painting, and paint very fast, I have over 6,000 points painted but if I want to add something to my army and it's unpainted primed or incomplete that's nobody's business but mine.

I think given that our club is generally made up of adults with jobs kids and lives than college kids who go to class 4 hours a day then have free time, a rule like that wouldn't really fly.

 War Kitten wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Dman137 wrote:
so your in this hobby because.??

The game, strangely enough.

your better off then just buying painted models then

That's pretty much what most of my friends do, they prefer to buy painted second-hand models rather than paint themselves. Kind of a shame really, but to each their own

some people rather do that. I personally like to paint my own stuff, but if someone wants to just buy painted stuff then it's all good, that's better then playing with a primed army or all grey just built army

 vipoid wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
That's pretty much what most of my friends do, they prefer to buy painted second-hand models rather than paint themselves. Kind of a shame really, but to each their own

Do they manage to find consistent paint-schemes across the armies they buy, if you see what I mean?

I understand what you mean perfectly, I'm just pointing out what my friends do. And no, not really. My friend who plays BA has an army that's a mix of yellow/black models, and white/black. Nearly all bought second hand. The rest of his army is still grey plastic

OP, I'm sure folks that don't have time to paint due to having lives are in absolute awe of you.

You should keep on being completely rational and winning people over with your stunning interpersonal skills.

"Play at the store" What store? Yours? GW's?