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I didn't see this on the forum so..

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I'll take what I can get. Hopefully the crimson Slaughter get an excellent formation for Possessed.

I hear it comes with a new hat!

I just hope there's some incentive to put the CSM part of the CSM codex on the table again.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/618

seems to have some of the formation rules.

Lots of leaks already - Looks like the updates for the digital books are already online

Via Atia on War of Sigmar - all images


https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/618
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/619

Ohhh myyy, Shroud of Deceit... That's a nice Stormsurge you got over there...

Omg the Cabal seems to be powerful. Also it's interesting that the new supplement doesn't prevent with its rulings a new CSM codex. The formations do not have points. Also the supplements do not contain datasheets. It seems that there will only be formations artifacts and traits. The odds are good

Gotta be honest these formations leave my daemonkin feeling a little lack luster, especially The Hound of Abaddon

Man if you can get Shroud Of Deceit off, that could be sooooo goood....


These all have the feel of being from the Black Legion book, so I wonder what we can expect coming from Crimson Slaughter.

 Gremore wrote:
Man if you can get Shroud Of Deceit off, that could be sooooo goood....


These all have the feel of being from the Black Legion book, so I wonder what we can expect coming from Crimson Slaughter.

What gave it away, was it all of the Formations saying "This is a Black Legion Formation"?

Well, my Kataphrons are no longer even going to be on the same table as that Sorceror formation. Too scary. Good job writing great rules, GW.

I really want to know what restrictions "This is a Black Legion Formation" entails... Must purchase Veterans of the Long War? May not take marks of chaos? The Hounds of Abaddon and the Cabal seem like really good formations. The Tormented could be good if we can take marks (WS5 I5 T5 possesed with rending? Might make them good finally).

 Verviedi wrote:
Well, my Kataphrons are no longer even going to be on the same table as that Sorceror formation. Too scary. Good job writing great rules, GW.

Dude, you gotta let us Chaos players have something...

I don't see anything preventing you from taking multiple Cabals and using them all on the same unit in a single Psychic Phase.

Daemon Engine pack, yes. I wanted some formation for those models.

Also keep in mind that that power can only be cast by one sorcerer in the formation and it warp charge 3. So it isn't exactly spammable.

With 5 sorcerers and a spell familiar you have a 75% success rate for an expenditure of 1 WC. About a 20% chance of perils.

If you spend 2 WC the success rate goes up to 88% with a 26% chance of perils.

That leaves all the other WC to cast whatever else with the other 4 sorcerers or your allied daemons.

Read as written, that's an interesting rule that follows the fluff and name but that I suspect will be misread. It says an enemy unit must be COMPLETELY destroyed by a UNIT (singular) from a Black Legion warband. So if any other unit kills even one model in that 40 ork boyz squad that another squad killed 39 in, neither unit can get the bonus for destroying the unit. I predict that folks will instead mistakenly add "in a turn" to it and assume that if they wipe out what is present at the start of a turn with a single unit then they deserve the bonus.

If someone tries to say that just because Gets Hot killed one of my plasma gunners that the BL don't get to benefit from Thirst For Glory, they are getting Dreadsocked.

I like that Black Legion warband!


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 warboss wrote:


Read as written, that's an interesting rule that follows the fluff and name but that I suspect will be misread. It says an enemy unit must be COMPLETELY destroyed by a UNIT (singular) from a Black Legion warband. So if any other unit kills even one model in that 40 ork boyz squad that another squad killed 39 in, neither unit can get the bonus for destroying the unit. I predict that folks will instead mistakenly add "in a turn" to it and assume that if they wipe out what is present at the start of a turn with a single unit then they deserve the bonus.

It's one heck of an anti-MSU rule.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If someone tries to say that just because Gets Hot killed one of my plasma gunners that the BL don't get to benefit from Thirst For Glory, they are getting Dreadsocked.

Agreed. Honestly, it just sounds like if a single unit causes another unit to be wiped off the board (there are none left, they're completely destroyed), you get it. It's there to prevent 2-4 units or something from cutting a unit down together to benefit. That's my take. It's continuing the idea of Chaos challenges, only in unit form.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If someone tries to say that just because Gets Hot killed one of my plasma gunners that the BL don't get to benefit from Thirst For Glory, they are getting Dreadsocked.

You're free to house rule whatever you want in agreement with your opponent but a gets hot casualty would indeed DQ the unit from granting Thirst for Glory as written. I see what you're proposing as a reasonable change to the rules (and it is indeed a change) but I'd simply refuse to play someone that thought they could whittle down a unit with multiple squads and then claim the bonus with one squad in a subsequent turn.

Nomeny wrote:
I like that Black Legion warband!

It's one heck of an anti-MSU rule.

That's a good point. It fits the fluff of Chaos champions/challenges but in squad form of them calling out an enemy unit as their own for the taking and mechanically is likely meant to address MSU min maxing.

I think that might be a overly restrictive read on it. Was there a unit there before you shot/chopped, and isn’t now? You get the bonus. Don’t think it matters if it was mangled before.

IMHO, HIWPI, etc. I’m sure it will get hashed out in YMDC after the rules are officially out.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If someone tries to say that just because Gets Hot killed one of my plasma gunners that the BL don't get to benefit from Thirst For Glory, they are getting Dreadsocked.

Agreed. Honestly, it just sounds like if a single unit causes another unit to be wiped off the board (there are none left, they're completely destroyed), you get it. It's there to prevent 2-4 units or something from cutting a unit down together to benefit. That's my take. It's continuing the idea of Chaos challenges, only in unit form.

Rules lawyers gonna lawyer rules.

Before we continue, please note the following:

- There's no update of the main codex.

- There's no datacards and/or psychic cards. This is mandatory in 7th updates of codexes.

- All the updates are for supplements, which contain no unit description, costs or wargear.

All they've done is update the two supplements. I don't think this is the main update, as the update they've done now can easily be transfered to a upcoming update of the main codex.

Take a breath and realize that this is a hotfix to the current supplements; NOT an update of the codex and of Chaos Space Marines.

Now continue

This might not be the complete release...

 Nordicus wrote:
Before we continue, please note the following:

- There's no update of the main codex.

- There's no datacards and/or psychic cards. This is mandatory in 7th updates of codexes.

- All the updates are for supplements, which contain no unit description, costs or wargear.

All they've done is update the two supplements. I don't think this is the main update, as the update they've done now can easily be transfered to a upcoming update of the main codex.

Take a breath and realize that this is a hotfix to the current supplements; NOT an update of the codex and of Chaos Space Marines.

Now continue

New CSM incoming. No salt. It's about time. At last. My kingdom and my horse for this. Also I totally agree with you.

 warboss wrote:

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Read as written, that's an interesting rule that follows the fluff and name but that I suspect will be misread. It says an enemy unit must be COMPLETELY destroyed by a UNIT (singular) from a Black Legion warband. So if any other unit kills even one model in that 40 ork boyz squad that another squad killed 39 in, neither unit can get the bonus for destroying the unit. I predict that folks will instead mistakenly add "in a turn" to it and assume that if they wipe out what is present at the start of a turn with a single unit then they deserve the bonus.

Wait. "Completely destroyed" is defined in the BRB as "When all of the models in a unit are removed as casualties", not "When all of the original models in a unit are removed as casualties in the same turn". So, when the last model is removed, then the unit is "completely destroyed", regardless of how many models it started the turn with.

Does anyone play in such a way that First Blood is only obtained if all the starting models in a unit are removed as casualties on the same turn (First Blood also uses "completely destroyed"? How about all those Tactical Objectives that call for the same (like Overwhelming Firepower)? I know I have never played like that.

Avadar wrote:

Wait. "Completely destroyed" is defined in the BRB as "When all of the models in a unit are removed as casualties", not "When all of the original models in a unit are removed as casualties in the same turn". So, when the last model is removed, then the unit is "completely destroyed", regardless of how many models it started the turn with.

Does anyone play in such a way that First Blood is only obtained if all the starting models in a unit are removed form play on the same turn (First Blood also uses "completely destroyed"? How about all those Tactical Objectives that call for the same (like Overwhelming Firepower)? I know I have never played like that.

I never said they have to be destroyed in the same turn either for this rule or first blood. I just continued using two turns as a response to the prior example given by Nevelon about a unit being "mangled before" (although I didn't quote him so that may not be clear). As for completely destroyed, you're the one adding words because you're trying to change it to "when all of the CURRENT models in a unit are removed as casualties". The word completely in the rule has NO meaning or significance if you don't consider the original model count as the starting point. If you use any other starting point, it's an invalid addition to the rule and the word is superfluous. If it's not the starting strength of the unit, you "completely" destroy a unit EVERY time you fire and wipe out any unit because unit activation for assault and firing is sequential and NOT simultaneous. You fired on that 10 man marine squad with your chaos havocs and killed 8 of them? Cool. Next, your chosen unit fires at them and kills the last two... Technically, according to your interpretation, the target unit is completely destroyed because it "started" with two just before they fired and now has zero, even though the havoc squad did 80% of the casulaties. Chosing an arbitrary turn to start the tally is just as arbitrary as the example I just wrote. Neither one makes sense.

The rule simply says completely destroyed. A unit starts at whatever number of models it has on the army list (other than summoned units like demons) and is completely destroyed when it reaches 0 wounds/models. The progression from full to zero has to be from the same enemy unit source according to the rule. I'm not adding anything but simply reading the clearly written rule as it is actually written. I've already said that I see it as a reasonable change to disallow "friendly" caused casualties from precluding granting the bonus (like the gets hot example earlier) but having ANY other source of casualties from the opposing player that isn't from the unit trying to get the bonus is both against the RAW and the RAI of the rule. There is however no time limit though as one unit could take 3 turns or more to wipe out an enemy unit and get the rule as long as nothing else causes a casualty to that same enemy unit.