Switch Theme:

[1000-1850] - Dark Angels Need help with first list  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




Hi there

Recently got into 40k after being inspired by the Eisenhorn trilogy. My friend and I purchased Dark Vengeance set and I've decided to go DA. I had some games against randoms at gw and loved it.. so now im looking to extend my army.
Whats the first thing I should do? I really like the idea of terminators but would like a few tanks and maybe some dreadnoughts or something but i just dont know where to go or how formations work its all pretty overwhelming tbh. Is the dark vegeance expansion a viable option? Though
the price is pretty hefty. What would be my first few small purchases to pick up?
Any advice at all would be much appreciated

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/05/05 11:30:30


 
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






Firstly, welcome to 40k and to Dakka Dakka!

There really are many, many ways to build an army, so take all of the following advice with a pinch of salt:

Terminators are one of the things that look good on paper, but struggle to work on the tabletop - the game currently contains a large number of AP2 shooting weapons, and even though terminators have an invulnerable save they still die too easily. Combined with being slow, it can be difficult to make the most of them, Deep Striking means losing at least one turn waiting for them to arrive, and a Land Raider costs more than they do. If the people you play against aren't hardcore-competitive though, you should be alright.

The DV expansion has three cool model kits in it, and is a decent discount over buying them separately but, as mentioned, terminators aren't competitive, and neither of the flyers is stellar (although they are both alright at what they do). Black Knights are simply one of the best units in the codex.

Formations are simply one way to make an army, or even just part of an army - they are a fixed list of units to take (though you can still buy upgrades for the units normally), and have bonus special rules.

The "traditional" way of making an army is a Detachment, of which there are a few to choose from, with the easiest being a Combined Arms Detachment (shown on page 122 of the DV rulebook). A Detachment has a number of "slots", some are mandatory, some are optional. You can fill the slots using any appropriate unit (a unit's "Battlefield Role" is shown in the top left corner of it's datasheet). For example, a CAD requires 1 HQ and 2 Troops, so you could take a Chaplain and two Tactical Squads, or a Librarian and two Scout Squads, or a Company Master, a Tactical Squad and a Scout Squad (etc. etc. etc.). Because of this flexibility, I'd recommend them to you as you seems to want a diverse selection of units.

An army can contain multiple Detachments, and/or Formations, in any combination.

If you choose to go down the Detachment route, I recommend another Troop selection (either another Tactical Squad, or a Scout Squad) and a transport vehicle (Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod).
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




Thanks for the friendly welcome and taking the time to reply

What you've said definitely gives me a better understanding now and I guess it was hard for me to know what formations there are without a DA codex. My friend and I who shared the set are pretty casual but Ill be playing with some people who play competitively I guess and id like to
have a chance at least of wining. So a CAD is the way I should go for now ? Ill be getting a codex soon enough but I also wanted to add to my army. What would be the first few purchases you would recommend for me? I can get a dreadnought brand new off a mate and maybe even a rhino
to for very cheap. Would a devastator squad come next or a veteran squad even? Sorry for so many questions like I said its all so overwhelming and exciting. I guess a points list would help a lot so If anyone could make a point list with priority purchases until I can acquire the lot that would be much appreciated

Also another thing I'm confused about is if I can buy any chapter space marine and use in my dark angels army, like are there any differences between a space wolves dreadnought and a DA one or a blood angels rhino and DA one. I really like DA dont get me wrong but hearing some of
the fluff about necrons makes me almost want to play them , in the long run which would be the cheaper army to create dollar wise? Necrons are also appealing because they seem easier to paint and I'm only learning atm. I guess I'm leaning towards DA at this stage because I got them
in starter set. Thoughts?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/05 20:53:36


 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





- First get the Dark Angel codex and read up on the chapter.
- Two I use 1d4chan (find by google DA tactics) they break things down fairly well
- Three take what Quanar say to heart cause he really knows what he is talking about
- Four get battlescribe app on your tablet and/or phone it helps with building formations and you can set points limits

I say learn the DA before you really start buying units so you know what kinda build you want. I think getting either tactical squads first if you are going greenwing or any Ravenwing cause they are the best units right now for DA.

Welcome to the Unforgiven.
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




Ok cheers for that and by tactical squad you don't mean veteran squad or scout squad etc?
   
Made in ca
Secretive Dark Angels Veteran




Canada

Eisenpawn wrote:
Ok cheers for that and by tactical squad you don't mean veteran squad or scout squad etc?
no, games workshop sells a standard box of tacticals marines for codex marines and dark angels.

DA army: 3500pts,
admech army: 600pts
ravenguard: 565 pts

 
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




Ok then thanks I see . I'll pick a codex up tomorrow but would still appreciate opinions or even a list if anyone can help ? Finding it hard to get my head around all the different types of squads and weapons and what DA can use ? If I buy a blood Angels dreadnought could I use as a DA or are the weapons different etc? For example I can get a second hand dreadnought with powerfist and assault cannon but when I go to battlescribe there is only a Deredeo pattern dreadnought or a leviathan dreadnought available what is the difference and would my secondhand one fit in there ?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/06 00:49:38


 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





If I buy a blood Angels dreadnought could I use as a DA or are the weapons different etc? For example I can get a second hand dreadnought with powerfist and assault cannon but when I go to battlescribe there is only a Deredeo pattern dreadnought or a leviathan dreadnought available what is the difference and would my secondhand one fit in there ?


Dreadnought are pretty standard....well not standard but they all have powerfist and assault cannon. You do have specialize faction dreadnought such as the BA have a Furioso Dreadnought because it has a Frag Cannon that no other faction dreadnought has.

As for the Deredeo pattern dreadnought or a leviathan dreadnought are from forgeworld and you will have to look up I want to say the Astartes Armor volume II book. But this is much more advance when it comes to modeling and additional rules. I recommend just sticking to GW stuff and learn from the basics before moving ahead.

follow these links.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Dark_Angels%287E%29

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/687472.page

The form link is a post from me building a competitive DA list using the Lion's Blade formation. I would read that and it might give you some idea or understanding when it comes to gaming with DA.

the 1d4chan is the link I mention earlier with a simple break down on what you can do with the DA.
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






There are quite alot of units that can be used by any space marine chapter, such as assault squads / scouts / rhinos, and games workshop only makes a single box for each of those which everyone uses.

Other units have faction-specific versions, for example: There is a generic Tactical Squad box, but also a Blood Angels specific one (with extra Blood symbols, and a heavy flamer, which isn't available to other chapter's tac squads). There are also 5 different dreadnought boxes - standard, Venrible, Ironclad, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves. DA can only use standard and Venrible dreadnoughts, but aome of the parts from the other kits are interchangable (the kits don't come with all of the weapon options).

Deredo and Leviathan are both special Forgeworld dreadnoughts, and I suspect they're both Heavy Support? Normal and Venrible (dang it, why can't I spell that correctly?) dreadnoughts live in the Elites section, have a look there.

{Edit} Also, if you're thinking about Necrons, hold of on buying more stuff. Read up on each (the aforementioned 1D4chan or Lexicanum, try and decide which one to go with. A necron army won't necessarily be cheaper to buy, might be a bit easier to paint (space marines are mostly one colour anyway), but will be competative (Necrons are in a solid place right now, top3).

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/06 05:00:30


 
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




 Quanar wrote:
There are quite alot of units that can be used by any space marine chapter, such as assault squads / scouts / rhinos, and games workshop only makes a single box for each of those which everyone uses.

Other units have faction-specific versions, for example: There is a generic Tactical Squad box, but also a Blood Angels specific one (with extra Blood symbols, and a heavy flamer, which isn't available to other chapter's tac squads). There are also 5 different dreadnought boxes - standard, Venrible, Ironclad, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves. DA can only use standard and Venrible dreadnoughts, but aome of the parts from the other kits are interchangable (the kits don't come with all of the weapon options).

Deredo and Leviathan are both special Forgeworld dreadnoughts, and I suspect they're both Heavy Support? Normal and Venrible (dang it, why can't I spell that correctly?) dreadnoughts live in the Elites section, have a look there.

{Edit} Also, if you're thinking about Necrons, hold of on buying more stuff. Read up on each (the aforementioned 1D4chan or Lexicanum, try and decide which one to go with. A necron army won't necessarily be cheaper to buy, might be a bit easier to paint (space marines are mostly one colour anyway), but will be competative (Necrons are in a solid place right now, top3).


Thanks for that man really cleared things up there. So I managed to score a standard dreadnought and am looking now at getting a rhino for transport. I guess at this stage I'll look at increasing my numbers in DA see how they play out and maybe grab necrons further down the track.
I still haven't picked up the codex yet but would this be a good list of the top of your head?

1 company master


1 librarian

2xtactical squads

1 dreadnought

2 lots of 5 deathwing terms

3 ravenwing bikes and another 3 i think?

1 Rhino

Sorry about poor layout am typing on phone atm and its hard to grab point list

Here is some listings that I was thinking about getting http://www.trademe.co.nz/gaming/war-games/warhammer-40000/auction-1079754680.htm , http://www.trademe.co.nz/gaming/war-games/warhammer-40000/auction-1079754674.htm , http://www.trademe.co.nz/gaming/war-games/warhammer-40000/auction-1079754664.htm . Not really sure if they would work for me and why they aren't all being sold together?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/06 12:23:11


 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





{Edit} Also, if you're thinking about Necrons, hold of on buying more stuff. Read up on each (the aforementioned 1D4chan or Lexicanum, try and decide which one to go with. A necron army won't necessarily be cheaper to buy, might be a bit easier to paint (space marines are mostly one colour anyway), but will be competative (Necrons are in a solid place right now, top3).


Really Necrons are top 3...who are the other 2? Also do you know what would be a good list for Necrons or a link? I am still working on my DA but I have thought about messing with Necrons as well just not to sure on a build yet.
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






 The_Lion wrote:
Really Necrons are top 3...who are the other 2? Also do you know what would be a good list for Necrons or a link? I am still working on my DA but I have thought about messing with Necrons as well just not to sure on a build yet.
I'm not really qualified to talk about competitive 40k, so I was just parroting what I've seen on Dakka - the Eldar 'dex is the top of the pile, and the vanilla SM and Necrons are top dogs as far as powerful codexes go - that's not to say you can't power-build without them (i.e. DA/SW Thunderdome snoozefest), but that they're the most rounded powerful.
Eisenpawn wrote:
1 company master


1 librarian

2xtactical squads

1 dreadnought

2 lots of 5 deathwing terms

3 ravenwing bikes and another 3 i think?

1 Rhino

Sorry about poor layout am typing on phone atm and its hard to grab point list
Any idea what sort of points limits the people you're going to play use? The above could end up 1250 easily.
With Independent Characters (the Company Master and the Librarian), it's important to think about where they want to go and what they want to do during the game (this is true for any unit, but IC's are alot of points, and will generally get bullied if left alone). Part of the trouble here is the lack of bike-mounted models - generally you'd have to convert your own (not necessarily too hard, but hobby knives are sharp, so I'll avoid that suggestion for now).
That leaves us with joining them to the terminators (a unit that likes melee, which matches characters well) but that stops the terminators from deep-striking (as the power armoured characters cannot teleport),
Or joining them to tactical squads (which generally don't want to be in assault. The character can act as a deterrent to enemy charges, or a packet of combat power to win if you do get charged. But a Master might not end up doing much if nothing is going to charge them). This is fine for the Librarian - he can cast powers to assist other units without having to be directly engaged. Although this will limit a tac squad to 9 models if you want them + an IC to fit in a Rhino (capacity 10).
Just had to find a currency converter, oh wow, you guys really do get hammered on price over there.
They look nicely painted (white is hard to pull off, wierdly) but between the three sets is a box of DA Veterans and the snap-fit space marines from starter boxes, so after adding the postage you're only saving about $10 and losing alot of weapon /build options. I don't have any to suggest, but there must be some online retailers over there with discounts on GW stuff?
   
Made in ca
Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker





Ottawa, Canada

On ebay you can get DA tacticals, ravenwing, deathwing for cheap since people piece out the dark vengeance box and sell them - usually half the price of buying a box from GW. (And the tacticals come with cool DA shoulderpads and trinkets)

I would suggest though....buying a devastator box so you can give your tacticals grav cannons instead of plasma cannons.
   
Made in ca
Secretive Dark Angels Veteran




Canada

 The_Lion wrote:
If I buy a blood Angels dreadnought could I use as a DA or are the weapons different etc? For example I can get a second hand dreadnought with powerfist and assault cannon but when I go to battlescribe there is only a Deredeo pattern dreadnought or a leviathan dreadnought available what is the difference and would my secondhand one fit in there ?


Dreadnought are pretty standard....well not standard but they all have powerfist and assault cannon. You do have specialize faction dreadnought such as the BA have a Furioso Dreadnought because it has a Frag Cannon that no other faction dreadnought has.

As for the Deredeo pattern dreadnought or a leviathan dreadnought are from forgeworld and you will have to look up I want to say the Astartes Armor volume II book. But this is much more advance when it comes to modeling and additional rules. I recommend just sticking to GW stuff and learn from the basics before moving ahead.

follow these links.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Dark_Angels%287E%29

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/687472.page

The form link is a post from me building a competitive DA list using the Lion's Blade formation. I would read that and it might give you some idea or understanding when it comes to gaming with DA.

the 1d4chan is the link I mention earlier with a simple break down on what you can do with the DA.
neither of those dreadnaughts are in that book, both are pending an update in imperial armour 15. for now they have experimental rules

DA army: 3500pts,
admech army: 600pts
ravenguard: 565 pts

 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





neither of those dreadnaughts are in that book, both are pending an update in imperial armour 15. for now they have experimental rules


For real....dang I guess that is another book I need to buy lol.
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




 Quanar wrote:
 The_Lion wrote:
Really Necrons are top 3...who are the other 2? Also do you know what would be a good list for Necrons or a link? I am still working on my DA but I have thought about messing with Necrons as well just not to sure on a build yet.
I'm not really qualified to talk about competitive 40k, so I was just parroting what I've seen on Dakka - the Eldar 'dex is the top of the pile, and the vanilla SM and Necrons are top dogs as far as powerful codexes go - that's not to say you can't power-build without them (i.e. DA/SW Thunderdome snoozefest), but that they're the most rounded powerful.
Eisenpawn wrote:
1 company master


1 librarian

2xtactical squads

1 dreadnought

2 lots of 5 deathwing terms

3 ravenwing bikes and another 3 i think?

1 Rhino

Sorry about poor layout am typing on phone atm and its hard to grab point list
Any idea what sort of points limits the people you're going to play use? The above could end up 1250 easily.
With Independent Characters (the Company Master and the Librarian), it's important to think about where they want to go and what they want to do during the game (this is true for any unit, but IC's are alot of points, and will generally get bullied if left alone). Part of the trouble here is the lack of bike-mounted models - generally you'd have to convert your own (not necessarily too hard, but hobby knives are sharp, so I'll avoid that suggestion for now).
That leaves us with joining them to the terminators (a unit that likes melee, which matches characters well) but that stops the terminators from deep-striking (as the power armoured characters cannot teleport),
Or joining them to tactical squads (which generally don't want to be in assault. The character can act as a deterrent to enemy charges, or a packet of combat power to win if you do get charged. But a Master might not end up doing much if nothing is going to charge them). This is fine for the Librarian - he can cast powers to assist other units without having to be directly engaged. Although this will limit a tac squad to 9 models if you want them + an IC to fit in a Rhino (capacity 10).
Just had to find a currency converter, oh wow, you guys really do get hammered on price over there.
They look nicely painted (white is hard to pull off, wierdly) but between the three sets is a box of DA Veterans and the snap-fit space marines from starter boxes, so after adding the postage you're only saving about $10 and losing alot of weapon /build options. I don't have any to suggest, but there must be some online retailers over there with discounts on GW stuff?


Hey thanks again for the reply it is greatly appreciated. The point limit can go up to 1850 as one of my mates has 3 armies of that many points. I'm thinking of getting this rhino http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1079855924 and maybe this assault squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1080325021 or would i be better of getting this tactical squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1081081074 . Sorry to be such a pain in the arse. There is another store that sells everything roughly $30 nz dollars cheaper than gw. Any chance you could suggest me a cad list that would be reasonably comepetive and maybe mention what I should get first because obviously cant afford it all at once?
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






Eisenpawn wrote:
Hey thanks again for the reply it is greatly appreciated. The point limit can go up to 1850 as one of my mates has 3 armies of that many points. I'm thinking of getting this rhino http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1079855924 and maybe this assault squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1080325021 or would i be better of getting this tactical squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1081081074 . Sorry to be such a pain in the arse. There is another store that sells everything roughly $30 nz dollars cheaper than gw. Any chance you could suggest me a cad list that would be reasonably comepetive and maybe mention what I should get first because obviously cant afford it all at once?
Ok, so you're more looking at already painted models?
The rhino is an older model, which is a bit smaller than the current, but still useable.
The Tacs look good (one is missing a shoulderpad but that's easily fixed) to give you a solid core of bolter guys (to pad out a devastator box if you get one).
The assault squad looks nice too (the back guys just look like they need some boltgun metal pained on and then transfers), but assault marines aren't in a competitive place right now outside of 5-man squads with 2 flamers in a drop pod (instead of jump packs). They're fine for friendly games though.

A cheap, competitive army from the DV box contents? Not asking for much are you? No pressure...
Generally a tournament Dark Angels army is mostly Ravenwing. Or entirely Ravenwing. Or Ravenwing plus allies...
Do you already have 2x the DV contents? From the suggested list that's what you seemed to have? I'll work off that assumption:

Company Master - Artificer Armour, Combi-Plasma, Relic Blade.
Librarian - Mastery 2, Conversion Field.
Tactical Squad (9) - Veteran Sergeant (Combi-Plasma), Plasma Gun, Rhino.
Tactical Squad (9) - Veteran Sergeant (Combi-Plasma), Plasma Gun, Rhino.
Dreadnought - Assault Cannon, Powerfist & Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod with Locator Beacon.
Deathwing Terminators (5), Assault Cannon, 1x Chainfist.
Deathwing Terminators (5), Assault Cannon, 1x Chainfist.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3), 2x Meltagun.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3) 2x Grav Gun
Black Knights (6), Huntsmaster with Power Weapon and Meltabombs.

This brings us out with 200 ish points to spare, with the primary costs being dedicated transports and two boxes of Black Knights. All about the objectives, the Dread can pounce on one easy via drop pod, flaming an enemy unit off it if necessary. Ravenwing can Scout up with their teleport homers, and the drop pod has a locator beacon to give plenty of options of where to bring in the terminators without worrying about scatter, tacticals with accompanying character can grab mid-field ones.
At this point the CAD is pretty stretched, so either some Heavy Support to round it out (Vindicators, Preds, Whirlwinds or something more Forgeworld-exotic) or swapping out either of the characters for either a bike-mounted or terminator-armoured version would allow us to utilise Formations to free up space.

As mentioned, I'm not a tournament player, so hopefully some other posters will be able to give some feedback before buying stuff just off my suggestions.
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




 Quanar wrote:
Eisenpawn wrote:
Hey thanks again for the reply it is greatly appreciated. The point limit can go up to 1850 as one of my mates has 3 armies of that many points. I'm thinking of getting this rhino http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1079855924 and maybe this assault squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1080325021 or would i be better of getting this tactical squad http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1081081074 . Sorry to be such a pain in the arse. There is another store that sells everything roughly $30 nz dollars cheaper than gw. Any chance you could suggest me a cad list that would be reasonably comepetive and maybe mention what I should get first because obviously cant afford it all at once?
Ok, so you're more looking at already painted models?
The rhino is an older model, which is a bit smaller than the current, but still useable.
The Tacs look good (one is missing a shoulderpad but that's easily fixed) to give you a solid core of bolter guys (to pad out a devastator box if you get one).
The assault squad looks nice too (the back guys just look like they need some boltgun metal pained on and then transfers), but assault marines aren't in a competitive place right now outside of 5-man squads with 2 flamers in a drop pod (instead of jump packs). They're fine for friendly games though.

A cheap, competitive army from the DV box contents? Not asking for much are you? No pressure...
Generally a tournament Dark Angels army is mostly Ravenwing. Or entirely Ravenwing. Or Ravenwing plus allies...
Do you already have 2x the DV contents? From the suggested list that's what you seemed to have? I'll work off that assumption:

Company Master - Artificer Armour, Combi-Plasma, Relic Blade.
Librarian - Mastery 2, Conversion Field.
Tactical Squad (9) - Veteran Sergeant (Combi-Plasma), Plasma Gun, Rhino.
Tactical Squad (9) - Veteran Sergeant (Combi-Plasma), Plasma Gun, Rhino.
Dreadnought - Assault Cannon, Powerfist & Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod with Locator Beacon.
Deathwing Terminators (5), Assault Cannon, 1x Chainfist.
Deathwing Terminators (5), Assault Cannon, 1x Chainfist.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3), 2x Meltagun.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3) 2x Grav Gun
Black Knights (6), Huntsmaster with Power Weapon and Meltabombs.

This brings us out with 200 ish points to spare, with the primary costs being dedicated transports and two boxes of Black Knights. All about the objectives, the Dread can pounce on one easy via drop pod, flaming an enemy unit off it if necessary. Ravenwing can Scout up with their teleport homers, and the drop pod has a locator beacon to give plenty of options of where to bring in the terminators without worrying about scatter, tacticals with accompanying character can grab mid-field ones.
At this point the CAD is pretty stretched, so either some Heavy Support to round it out (Vindicators, Preds, Whirlwinds or something more Forgeworld-exotic) or swapping out either of the characters for either a bike-mounted or terminator-armoured version would allow us to utilise Formations to free up space.

As mentioned, I'm not a tournament player, so hopefully some other posters will be able to give some feedback before buying stuff just off my suggestions.


Wow dude thanks heaps that actually looks amazing ! Yea I don't mind buying some of them painted etc as it'll save me some money and ill be able to play higher points more quickly, but in saying that I am enjoying painting them

I actually don't have a second set of dv yet because I wasn't sure if the other 3 bikes should be ravenwing or black Knights but seems you have added both anyhow Also that tactical squad for sale had 2 flame throwers not plasma guns, will that matter much? Would 3 BK be ok and maybe replace the other 3 with something else or is 12 bikes really going to work well for me ? Would deathwing knights do instead of 5 of the terminators then again i guess itll end up costing more unless i get dv expansion aargghhh soo many options!! I'm interested in swapping out a characterto make a formation if need be what would you have in mind?

Hey want to say thanks again for helping me out I do appreciate it alot

   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





 chaosmarauder wrote:
On ebay you can get DA tacticals, ravenwing, deathwing for cheap since people piece out the dark vengeance box and sell them - usually half the price of buying a box from GW. (And the tacticals come with cool DA shoulderpads and trinkets)

I would suggest though....buying a devastator box so you can give your tacticals grav cannons instead of plasma cannons.


I agree with this comment. If your interested in DA pick up a lot of stuff on secondary market. Your tactical squads, some of your bikers, and some of your terminators.

One good thing about DA is they don't have one style of play. Theyre considered a "shooty" army because of their overwatch bonus, so you can field ranks of tactical squads and do well in maelstrom missions or run them as a biker army or run them as a terminator heavy army..

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/07 12:25:04





 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





If you want already painted DA army or units go to ebay. They have quite a few good deals.
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






Eisenpawn wrote:
Yea I don't mind buying some of them painted etc as it'll save me some money and ill be able to play higher points more quickly, but in saying that I am enjoying painting them

I actually don't have a second set of dv yet because I wasn't sure if the other 3 bikes should be ravenwing or black Knights but seems you have added both anyhow Also that tactical squad for sale had 2 flame throwers not plasma guns, will that matter much? Would 3 BK be ok and maybe replace the other 3 with something else or is 12 bikes really going to work well for me ? Would deathwing knights do instead of 5 of the terminators then again i guess itll end up costing more unless i get dv expansion aargghhh soo many options!! I'm interested in swapping out a characterto make a formation if need be what would you have in mind?
As you haven't got 2xDV, then I'd probably drop the second unit of terminators - as I mentioned at the start, terminators aren't amazing, and having to wait until at least turn 2 for them to turn up handicaps you on the first turn (I've been meaning to experiment with terminators in drop pods, but haven't gotten around to it yet).

Trying to balance cost versus competitiveness is difficult - one of the best builds for Greenwing (i.e. power-armoured, non-bike Dark Angels) is a Battle Company list - 6 Tactical squads, 2 assault squads, 2 devastator squads and 10-12 'free' rhinos / razorbacks / drop pods with everything having the Objective Secured special rule. Alot of models that don't take up many points, but do cost a lot in real money.

Let's step back a bit and work out a smaller list to start with and play a few games rather than jumping straight to 1850 - you'll be able to see what suits your play style and will have more time to assemble / paint your stuff.
Do your friends tend to play Maelstrom or Eternal War missions? Or both? Each favours different styles of lists.
You've mentioned friends and that one has several armies, is one of them a flavour of space marines? You could see if he'd let you borrow some units to 'bulk out' your list for bigger games and to try new units.
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




Haven't played maelstrom yet but yea you're right maybe take a step back . I had a look an eBay and there is soo much more available I'm just concerned about cost and if damage will occur :/
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






When I'm buying on eBay, I'll generally restrict the distance of items it shows me - I've had one or two problems with postal services in far-away countries, and keeping it local keeps the postage cost down.
Just make sure you're patient and wait for the good deals (and when you've figured that out, tell me how )

I've mostly been playing Maelstrom, so I'll have to have a think about Eternal War lists and get back to you.
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





I am still learning the different games modes you can play. I normally play king of the hill or out right kill/destroy each other.

Its more expensive this way but you could always think of hiring someone to do commission work. I know have done that route 2 times now. Because of work I don't always sit down and paint and I suck at it lol.
   
Made in nz
Fresh-Faced New User




 Quanar wrote:
When I'm buying on eBay, I'll generally restrict the distance of items it shows me - I've had one or two problems with postal services in far-away countries, and keeping it local keeps the postage cost down.
Just make sure you're patient and wait for the good deals (and when you've figured that out, tell me how )

I've mostly been playing Maelstrom, so I'll have to have a think about Eternal War lists and get back to you.


Any idea dude? At the moment I'm really quite torn between extending on the dark angels or starting fresh with necrons. If i were to start fresh with necrons would you recomend something like this https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Start-Collecting-Necrons or more like this
NECRON BATTLEFORCE (20x Necron Warriors, 5x Immortals/Deathmarks, 5x Scarabs, 1x Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark) $169.00 ?
   
Made in ca
Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot






Canada

Ravenwing is where DA is most competitive. Black Knights, Librarian bikers, bikers with grav guns, and land speeders all make for a fast, powerful, mobile force with some very cool formations.

6000 pts
2000 pts
2500 pts
3000 pts

"We're on an express elevator to hell - goin' down!"

"Depends on the service being refused. It should be fine to refuse to make a porn star a dildo shaped cake that they wanted to use in a wedding themed porn..." 
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






Eisenpawn wrote:
Any idea dude? At the moment I'm really quite torn between extending on the dark angels or starting fresh with necrons. If i were to start fresh with necrons would you recomend something like this https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Start-Collecting-Necrons or more like this
NECRON BATTLEFORCE (20x Necron Warriors, 5x Immortals/Deathmarks, 5x Scarabs, 1x Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark) $169.00 ?
Righty, had a bit of a ponder, for Eternal War you want units that:
a) Are resilient - they need to last until the end of the game to either score objectives or not give up kill points.
b) Are dangerous - you need to kill enemy units (Purge the Alien) or remove them from objectives
c) Are moderately fast - semi-optional, but a last turn turbo-boost to grab / contest objectives can be game changing.
In the Dark Angels codex, Black Knights tick all three of those boxes. A pure Ravenwing force would be best but that would mean not getting much use out of many of the models you have already. So a mixed wing force:

Company Master - Artificer Armour, Combi-Plasma, Relic Blade. (accompanies Tactical Squad)
Librarian - Mastery 2, Conversion Field, Space Marine Bike, Meltabombs. (accompanies RW Command Squad)
Tactical Squad (9) - Veteran Sergeant (Combi-Plasma), Plasma Gun, Rhino.
Scout Squad (5) - Veteran Sergeant, 5x Sniper Rifles & Camo Cloaks.
Dreadnought - Assault Cannon, Powerfist & Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod with Locator Beacon.
Deathwing Terminators (5), Assault Cannon, 1x Chainfist.
Ravenwing Command Squad (6), Champion, Apothecary.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3), 2x Meltagun.
Ravenwing Bike Squad (3) 2x Meltagun.
Black Knights (6), Huntsmaster with Power Weapon and Meltabombs.

That works out at 1623 points, leaving some room for tanks or more scoring troops units, and you can scale it up by taking out any of the non-mandatory units. It follows the same strategy as the previous similar list, but without as many points invested in terminators, and with some Scouts to hold a back-field objective (normally they'd disappear to the first Ignores Cover weapon aimed at them, but those weapons will be trained on the Black Knights for most of the game. Just place them in terrain and Go To Ground at the first sign of trouble. If they kill anything it's a bonus).

For Necrons, the most competitive build will be based on the Decurion super-detachment, which requires a Reclamation Legion as it's Core, which needs:
1 Overlord, 1 unit of Immortals, 2 units of Warriors, 1 unit of Tomb Blades.

The Start Collecting Bundle is $165 and individually would cost $195, the Battleforce is $169 and individually would be $269 - The Battleforce is a great deal, and you can attach the Ghost Ark to a unit of Warriors easily (the alternatives would be a Judicator Batallion for the Stalker, which is a really good formation to use, or a Annihilation Nexus for the Doomsday Ark, which is an alright formation, depending on which one you go for).
   
Made in ca
Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker





Ottawa, Canada

Deathwing - take for pure love/fluff - they are too costly for slow units that no longer deepstrike turn 1 and have their 2+ armor easily bypassed

Greenwing - take this in a lion's blade with double demi-companies for the free rhinos, and even then they are a subpar choice to their Space Marine Codex cousins with their chapter tactics and doctrines.

Ravenwing - so so good, very competitive, very fast moving, reroll jink is amazing - and they just got even better with the ability to declare jink after a blast scatters onto them

Do I still run Deathwing and Greenwing? Sure, but you have to know what you're getting yourself into.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/05/10 16:53:32


 
   
Made in us
Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun





For Necrons, the most competitive build will be based on the Decurion super-detachment, which requires a Reclamation Legion as it's Core, which needs:
1 Overlord, 1 unit of Immortals, 2 units of Warriors, 1 unit of Tomb Blades.

The Start Collecting Bundle is $165 and individually would cost $195, the Battleforce is $169 and individually would be $269 - The Battleforce is a great deal, and you can attach the Ghost Ark to a unit of Warriors easily (the alternatives would be a Judicator Batallion for the Stalker, which is a really good formation to use, or a Annihilation Nexus for the Doomsday Ark, which is an alright formation, depending on which one you go for).


Cool thanks I was thinking of one day running a Necron army after I was done with building and running my DA.

on another note

I am running a Greenwing Lion's Blade Formation. I think its versatile and would do good in competitions. However I will still build on my Ravenwing if I want to run that route.

Still thinking of one day just running a Demi-Company with my Knight or use a Fire Raptor instead of the Knight. What do you guys think about that.
   
 
Forum Index » 40K Army Lists
Go to: