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 mikhaila wrote:

No cost for the tournament. No real requirements on painting or modeling other than no stupid proxies, or hideous clay sculptures.

Why you gotta be so hard on Dina Walker's Ice Age Mammal kickstarter classics? Who survived an Ice Age, Kickstarter, and the End TImes only to be cruelly shut down by Mikhalia??



I did! RWWWAAAR!

 mikhaila wrote:
I just said screw it and scheduled a WFB tournament at my shop for the 21st.

If the rules don't appear, we'll play 40k or magic

Tired of waiting on GW, and never having time to schedule launch weekends like I used to.

It's like they don't want you to sell their product. Insane.

Well, they don't, actually. If they could get away with it, I'm sure they'd be the only ones allowed to sell their products. It seems that having to deal with third-party retailers and cut them in on a share of the profits is something they'd prefer not to do.

I am interested in what GW might do with 9th, however I honestly doubt i will continue playing 9th and remain with 8th. Newer is not always better, however it should be given a chance to be seen what they come up with before i know how i will choose to play WFB in the future.

 Bottle wrote:
The six factions thing is odd because it goes against what GW has done with 40k which has been to make more and more factions (and to break existing factions into multiple books).

Now, obviously they could be trying a totally different approach to WHFB. But if we were to speculate from 40k it seems likely that the "six factions" may just be a way of making allies much more an integral part of Fantasy, and we can still expect a multitude of different books for each race, but under a wider banner (such as Warhammer Armies: Order - Army Book Empire).

6 factions doesn't necessarily mean 6 books. How many Imperial books are there for 40K? They might just provide a 'Man' army book with expansions for 14 Dwarf clans, and so on.

Herzlos wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The six factions thing is odd because it goes against what GW has done with 40k which has been to make more and more factions (and to break existing factions into multiple books).

Now, obviously they could be trying a totally different approach to WHFB. But if we were to speculate from 40k it seems likely that the "six factions" may just be a way of making allies much more an integral part of Fantasy, and we can still expect a multitude of different books for each race, but under a wider banner (such as Warhammer Armies: Order - Army Book Empire).

6 factions doesn't necessarily mean 6 books. How many Imperial books are there for 40K? They might just provide a 'Man' army book with expansions for 14 Dwarf clans, and so on.

Yes. That's what I was saying.

Vetril wrote:
My bet is that lizardmen become a reptilian variation of beastmen. Oh, that would be such masterful trolling.

According to some fluff without the Slaan they revert to barbarism. So it's not entirely impossible.

Herzlos wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The six factions thing is odd because it goes against what GW has done with 40k which has been to make more and more factions (and to break existing factions into multiple books).

Now, obviously they could be trying a totally different approach to WHFB. But if we were to speculate from 40k it seems likely that the "six factions" may just be a way of making allies much more an integral part of Fantasy, and we can still expect a multitude of different books for each race, but under a wider banner (such as Warhammer Armies: Order - Army Book Empire).

6 factions doesn't necessarily mean 6 books. How many Imperial books are there for 40K? They might just provide a 'Man' army book with expansions for 14 Dwarf clans, and so on.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be at least five books on the Fantasy marines, four of which will be based around kitschy themes like dressing them as vampires or Vikings. Obviously very deserving of their own, repetiti-I mean, narrative-forging style.

migooo wrote:

Vetril wrote:
My bet is that lizardmen become a reptilian variation of beastmen. Oh, that would be such masterful trolling.

According to some fluff without the Slaan they revert to barbarism. So it's not entirely impossible.

Hmmm....so put lizardmen with orcs and keep the army 'greenskinned barbarians' ?


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 warboss wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

No cost for the tournament. No real requirements on painting or modeling other than no stupid proxies, or hideous clay sculptures.

Why you gotta be so hard on Dina Walker's Ice Age Mammal kickstarter classics? Who survived an Ice Age, Kickstarter, and the End TImes only to be cruelly shut down by Mikhalia??



I did! RWWWAAAR!

Lol, that is actually much better than what i've seen at times

One guy was making figures of demons out of some sculpty stuff he had to back in the over . Another guy showed up to a local 40k tournament with a Eldar Revanant Titan, made out of clay and sticks. Truly horrible.

 mikhaila wrote:


Another guy showed up to a local 40k tournament with a Eldar Revanant Titan, made out of clay and sticks. Truly horrible.

Sounds like a perfectly legal Exodite Titan to me.

Add some tanks with legs sticking out the bottom Fred Flintstone-style...

On topic, a possible skirmish game does sound quite appealing (speaking as someone who was put off WHFB by the cost of assembling a decent sized army), especially if they include some kind of campaign/experience system.

I am of the same thought. Blocks of infantry and monsters can look very impressive, however I'm not really a person to assemble all of those models, never mind painting them to reasonable level. A low point level game that could be played with few purchases would be wonderful.

I do wonder what they'll do with the lore.

Yeah! Then it would be like a new Mordheim!

 Fezman wrote:

Add some tanks with legs sticking out the bottom Fred Flintstone-style...

All of a sudden I have a hankering to do a feral orks army.

 Bonesnapper wrote:
Yeah! Then it would be like a new Mordheim!

Seriously. The amount of times I pop into these 9E threads, see all the praise for skirmish WHFB and the disdain for mass battle WHFB, and then furiously roll my eyes with the fury of a thousand furious suns is getting to be a little ridiculous. If you people don't want Mass Battles in a Fantasy-ish Setting, then there are plenty of Small-scale Skirmish in a Fantasy-ish Setting games already on the market, with better rules than GeeDub could possibly come up with and nigh infinitely better community support. And you could even use your pretty Citadel minis over there too, through the magic of Counts As modeling! On the other hand, if you'd rather stay in the GW fold and have an aversion to building dozens of models, Mordheim is still a great game that, again, you could be playing right now - my club, for example, is starting up yet another league in June as we wait to see if we're still playing 8E for the foreseeable future.

Point being, if it's Small-scale Skirmish in a Fantasy-ish Setting that you want, you already have many options at hand, with quality of rules that run the gammut but are likely all as good as what GW may or may not offer up. If the thing keeping you from the last, what, eight editions of WHFB is that it's been a Mass Battle in a Fantasy-ish Setting game, then I hate to say it, but it might not be the game for you!

- Salvage

I think a lot of us are interested in the idea that you get mass battle and skirmish rules in one book.

I think the problem for a lot of people, Salvage, is that they can't fathom going outside of the GW when it comes to games. And I also have a feeling that a lot of them posting here are 40k players who want to add in a bit of their Hobby Maker's other big game, but don't want to go so far as buying a whole army for it.

Personally, I think the last few editions just dialed it up a little too far and were they to rewind to a game about, let's say, 3/4th the size (and address gripes of 8th), things would be fine.


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 Lockark wrote:
I think a lot of us are interested in the idea that you get mass battle and skirmish rules in one book.

This too! I feel this is a nice in-between.

Boss Salvage wrote:Seriously. The amount of times I pop into these 9E threads, see all the praise for skirmish WHFB and the disdain for mass battle WHFB, and then furiously roll my eyes with the fury of a thousand furious suns is getting to be a little ridiculous. If you people don't want Mass Battles in a Fantasy-ish Setting, then there are plenty of Small-scale Skirmish in a Fantasy-ish Setting games already on the market, with better rules than GeeDub could possibly come up with and nigh infinitely better community support. And you could even use your pretty Citadel minis over there too, through the magic of Counts As modeling! On the other hand, if you'd rather stay in the GW fold and have an aversion to building dozens of models, Mordheim is still a great game that, again, you could be playing right now - my club, for example, is starting up yet another league in June as we wait to see if we're still playing 8E for the foreseeable future.

I like you. Have an exalt.

Lockark wrote:I think a lot of us are interested in the idea that you get mass battle and skirmish rules in one book.

... which hopefully won't be the same rules with slightly different organisational charts that cause them to chafe, strain and creak, with some people trying to convince other people that they're 'universal' and 'scalable' when they're not.

I'm hoping it's just the movement, to hit, wound, and other core mechanics that are shared. With then a clear set of rules for mass battles and a character skirmish game Like the old mordhiem game. Anything else will be a gong show.

Personally I'm hoping for more of a regression in unit size back to the ~5th edition-ish days. Where a box set provided a unit that could actually make a tactical difference in the battle. Back when if you saw 30 dudes in a block it was probably just goblins or slaves. Back when most of your models on the table didn't feel so much like worthless wound counters.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Bonesnapper wrote:
Yeah! Then it would be like a new Mordheim!

Seriously. The amount of times I pop into these 9E threads, see all the praise for skirmish WHFB and the disdain for mass battle WHFB, and then furiously roll my eyes with the fury of a thousand furious suns is getting to be a little ridiculous. If you people don't want Mass Battles in a Fantasy-ish Setting, then there are plenty of Small-scale Skirmish in a Fantasy-ish Setting games already on the market, with better rules than GeeDub could possibly come up with and nigh infinitely better community support. And you could even use your pretty Citadel minis over there too, through the magic of Counts As modeling! On the other hand, if you'd rather stay in the GW fold and have an aversion to building dozens of models, Mordheim is still a great game that, again, you could be playing right now - my club, for example, is starting up yet another league in June as we wait to see if we're still playing 8E for the foreseeable future.

Point being, if it's Small-scale Skirmish in a Fantasy-ish Setting that you want, you already have many options at hand, with quality of rules that run the gammut but are likely all as good as what GW may or may not offer up. If the thing keeping you from the last, what, eight editions of WHFB is that it's been a Mass Battle in a Fantasy-ish Setting game, then I hate to say it, but it might not be the game for you!

- Salvage

Is there really something so terribly wrong with hoping that we get -both-? After all, with the prices we pay for their product, I think it makes sense to get two games for the price of one.

Though, seriously - some days you feel like a nut... some days you don't. If I don't own Mordheim and don't wanna shell out the $ for it, but the new fantasy edition comes with a skirmish version AND a mass-battles version in one book - why would that get anyone's panties in a bunch?

I have only played Mordheim a few times (many moons ago), and as I recall it's focused around ~10-12 models. Maybe Fb-skirmish/fast play would work better for 20-30 figs? Maybe they're introducing some new mechanic that might be more interesting than the aged Mordheim mechanic?

Sorry to hear that this topic really causes you to roll your eyes with the fury of a thousand furious suns, though. Sounds painful.

 wana10 wrote:
Personally I'm hoping for more of a regression in unit size back to the ~5th edition-ish days. Where a box set provided a unit that could actually make a tactical difference in the battle. Back when if you saw 30 dudes in a block it was probably just goblins or slaves. Back when most of your models on the table didn't feel so much like worthless wound counters.

This.

2,000 points being an interesting army, with tactical variety and not just huge blocks of wounds counters.

So this struck me as odd, new stuff on Bols:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-new-edition-overview.html wrote:Unbound will exist, as will bound lists, basically what he told me is that it´s what the public wants...

WHO?!? I have NEVER heard a fantasy player ever utter the phrase "Boy this game would be better if we removed force org restrictions!"

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:


WHO?!? I have NEVER heard a fantasy player ever utter the phrase "Boy this game would be better if we removed force org restrictions!"

I have also NEVER heard a fantasy/40K player ever utter the phrase "Boy this on-BoLS-first-rumour was totally spot on and indicative of what came out later".

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
So this struck me as odd, new stuff on Bols:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-new-edition-overview.html wrote:Unbound will exist, as will bound lists, basically what he told me is that it´s what the public wants...

WHO?!? I have NEVER heard a fantasy player ever utter the phrase "Boy this game would be better if we removed force org restrictions!"

A "fantasy player" or a "dedicated fan of Games Workshop's highly acclaimed Warhammer: The Bubbleverse 2: Electric Boogaloo(TM) high quality collector's miniatures mass skirmish game"

But how would they know, market research os for losers, I thought.

via BoLS

via Atia 5-28-2015

Regarding the new “Age of Sigmar” product for WFB 9th:






ladys and gentlemen

i confirm the upcoming release of Age of Sigmar



That image indicates a product page for “Age of Sigmar” exists on the GW website, but is currently not redirecting to another placeholder page until it is used.

so we have a name, but whether it's the main 9th box set, the skirmish thing or some other wonder/distaster we wait to see

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
via BoLS

via Atia 5-28-2015

Regarding the new “Age of Sigmar” product for WFB 9th:






ladys and gentlemen

i confirm the upcoming release of Age of Sigmar



That image indicates a product page for “Age of Sigmar” exists on the GW website, but is currently not redirecting to another placeholder page until it is used.

so we have a name, but whether it's the main 9th box set, the skirmish thing or some other wonder/distaster we wait to see

I just had one of those weird random thoughts; what if we find out that the reason Siggy and a few others apparently survived the End Times is they're actually the Old Ones and the Warhammer World is stuck in some perpetual closed timeloop where the method of its destruction provides the people and power for its own creation?

We already know from the end of EoT that the warhammer world probably has a cyclical story of destruction and creation. We also know that there's more than one world, so I guess it's not exactly the same story over and over, but every time it's a new world with different characters. Ironically, the only constant thing is Chaos. Boom, paradox, the four gods implode.

Vetril wrote:
. Ironically, the only constant thing is Chaos. Boom, paradox, the four gods implode.

No irony there.

You're just confusing Chaos as mathematical randomness with Chaos as mythological, primordial void (or evil). In post-antiquity, biblical use also chasm, abyss or hell.

The two concepts are not related. GW's fictional universes use the latter.

Greek χάος (Chaos) means "emptiness, vast void, chasm, abyss", from the verb χαίνω, "gape, be wide open, etc.", from Proto-Indo-European *ǵheh2n,[2] cognate to Old English geanian, "to gape", whence English yawn.[3] It may also mean space, the expanse of air, and the nether abyss, infinite darkness.

...

Use of chaos in the derived sense of "complete disorder or confusion" first appears in Elizabethan Early Modern English, originally implying satirical exaggeration

Yeah, I'm hoping the skirmish game will be around 20-40 models a side, rather than the 10 of mordhiem.

Also hoping for all races to be represented and for some monsters, war machines and cavalry to be useable.

Nothing is stopping GW from adding additional factions back to Fantasy. The six factions thing may just be six factions at the release of the new edition.