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Steelmage99 wrote:
Assuming that the firms representing him isn't doing it entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, but for other reason, I wonder if they could temporarily "hire" Nick and give him an expense account (to keep him going).

No, paying him to continue the lawsuit would be champerty or maintenance.

Edit - unless the US has done away with that.

Steelmage99 wrote:
Assuming that the firms representing him isn't doing it entirely out of the goodness of their hearts, but for other reason, I wonder if they could temporarily "hire" Nick and give him an expense account (to keep him going).

Doing this may present a conflict of interest, I would hazard to say. GW's lawyer's would surely question the motivation CH's legal council has.

edit: ninja'd by someone who speaks legalese. Czakk wins!

I think he'd be better off just doing some sort of kickstarter or public fundraising as himself or a separate corporate entity.

There's plenty to choose from; Gofundme, Indigogo, Kickstarter, Youcaring etc.

Given the amount of "bad blood" people feel towards GW I'm sure he'd make enough to cover his costs, at least for a short while.

He did do a Kickstarter just after this whole mess started.

28mm Sci-Fi Trenches and Emplacements Terrain

He raised just shy of 30k but I would guess that actual profit from that somewhere in the 1k - 5k ballpark.(if it was even profitable) The thing was like most KS ripe with delays from the get go. including the people who chose the daemons walls still waiting on the product which thanks to the frozen assets mean we are still waiting on even though they are finished. (the last line to be done)

I am one of the few who is still waiting on this KS to complete, now over 1 year past projected delivery, but I would back another KS just to help him out. I just really hope he does not give up.

He could make a Patreon or GoFundMe setup and allow personal donations to keep him from losing his house, no? I'd send money his way in a heartbeat after seeing such egregious action being taken by GW.

Same here. I would buy whatever pseudo-service he offers to keep him going.

When i was reading the exerpt for the case I did feel like cheering toward the end...exept i realized what this "win" would mean with money cost...not many would call this a 100% win yet untill all the apeals are done...If there was something to buy I would do it just to say i supported him...

Over on Warseer there was a thread about this that was closed due to people discussing legal issues instead of the case (wat ) and someone hinted (with no proof however) that he took down the FB page due to people complaining about not hearing back from the Kickstarter, and basically accused him of shady practices for not posting an update to that.

I have said time and again throughout this litigation that it would behoove the community to support Chpaterhouse Studios. Its pretty damn late in the game now though.

If you are really interested in supporting the company and/or the appeal, maybe you should send Nick an email. Tell him how you feel. Give him some emotional support. Litigation like this is incredibly draining, and not just financially.

I really do mean this. Send the man an email if you are serious about wanting to see this case appealed.

Yeah, I bought some items earlier this year - both because they were awesome, and to help out. Even though he can't sell at this exact moment (hopefully to change soon) definitely showing him some support in this fight would be awesome!

His email is nick AT chapterhousestudios DOT com . I just sent him a message of support, too.

I want to say the FB page was taken down because of reasons besides the case. This may change relatively soon.

I appreciate all the moral support, I would not be against someone doing a "financial" support drive, but I am not interested in doing that myself, I feel bad enough about the kickstarter and not being able to complete it at this point.

 Chapterhouse wrote:
I want to say the FB page was taken down because of reasons besides the case. This may change relatively soon.

I appreciate all the moral support, I would not be against someone doing a "financial" support drive, but I am not interested in doing that myself, I feel bad enough about the kickstarter and not being able to complete it at this point.

Good to see you are still fighting the fight Sir!

Get in!

I have to say I'm genuinely happy to see that post, Nick, and while I'm in no position to make any material contribution right now, know that my sincerest best wishes are with you and yours right now.

While I'm sure those who feel differently my attempt to characterise it as such, this goes beyond simply bashing GW on the Internet and the implications of what you're doing could provide a framework for other small businesses that have been treated this way for years to come. So glad you're still in the fight, hang in there!

Fight the good fight, brother!

I was just getting ready to make a purchase from Chapterhouse when this all came down.

I would totally support a financial drive. Chapterhouse has been on the right side of this since day one and I am so sick of seeing GW's hamfisted attempts to enforce flimsy copyrights.

 Chapterhouse wrote:
I want to say the FB page was taken down because of reasons besides the case. This may change relatively soon.

I appreciate all the moral support, I would not be against someone doing a "financial" support drive, but I am not interested in doing that myself, I feel bad enough about the kickstarter and not being able to complete it at this point.

I am happy to see you are still "alive", Nick.

This may sound somewhat "sappy", but you are really fighting for all of us.
You are in the process of creating a legal precedent that will most likely be used far beyond our little niche hobby.
In the future you might very well hear a lawyer say: "Your Honour, as shown in the case of Chapterhouse v. Games Workshop.......". Keep up the good work, and do not feel unable to ask for financial support.
I will support such a drive.

What are the legal particulars here?

If we were to, for example, fundraise for Nick-the-business (perhaps via direct paypal gift to avoid "doing business") would these funds then become frozen, as a Chapterhouse "asset"?

If instead we held a fundraiser for Nick-the-Person, would the funds then be useable to pay off the 25K and keep this appeal moving? Or would that be a dangerous mixing of personal and business funds?

Does Nick-the-person even WANT to pay the 25K, or has his legal team advised him to delay on this for some reason?

Or, is Nick's greatest concern right now that his income has been stopped and he needs funds for food and mortgage?

No matter the answers, I'd be willing to donate what I could. I'd just like the details. I'm very interested in seeing the appeals go forward and would hate to see the process get short-circuited.

-S'Cipio


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry, just realized I east being too cutesy with my language. When I said "to avoid doing business", I meant we'd be giving cash for cash's sake, rather than purchasing things and thus only giving profits.

I did not mean to imply that I supported any legal shenanigans.

-S'Cipio

S'Cipio wrote:
I did not mean to imply that I supported any legal shenanigans.

-S'Cipio

I fully support shenanigans.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think he'd be better off just doing some sort of kickstarter or public fundraising as himself or a separate corporate entity.

I mentioned something previously about him doing a patreon. It would give him a monthly living stipend, and he could send out stuff to people, as well, to compensate them.

Eric

If there was a patreon page I would support in a heartbeat. I support a few different creators at present. I don't expect to get anything but an insight into the workings of chapterhouse and the creative journey would be enough for me.

Does nick have a personal paypal account, not affected by court order?

I would also be interested in supporting Nick.

How does patreon work?

 MagickalMemories wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think he'd be better off just doing some sort of kickstarter or public fundraising as himself or a separate corporate entity.

I mentioned something previously about him doing a patreon. It would give him a monthly living stipend, and he could send out stuff to people, as well, to compensate them.

Eric

If he were to do a Patreon and I Patroned at a level high enough for some sort of reward, I wonder if there'd be some way to use it to get Kickstarter rewards to other people. In case that statement isn't clear enough, I don't mean a KS backer patrons to get their stuff, I mean that my "reward" would be Nick being able to ship KS rewards to some of the backers.

I know the answer will most likely be a big fat "NO" as that would then tie the Patreon to CHS rather than Nick himself, I just hate that this move by GW will most likely mean either a massive delay for the backers or that they'll never get their rewards at all.

I just wish that since I'd already be helping Nick I could also use it for helping out some screwed over fellow gamers, too. A man can dream, right?

 loki old fart wrote:
Does nick have a personal paypal account, not affected by court order?

Easy enough to get one if he doesn't have one already. Then you just have to worry about mixing money, I'd imagine.

I'd certainly send a donation to a private PayPal.

It certainly sounds like there is plenty of interest in supporting Nick, but is anyone willing to run it?

 MagickalMemories wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think he'd be better off just doing some sort of kickstarter or public fundraising as himself or a separate corporate entity.

I mentioned something previously about him doing a patreon. It would give him a monthly living stipend, and he could send out stuff to people, as well, to compensate them.

Eric

I had never heard of it, so I didn't realize that's what you meant.

 Chapterhouse wrote:
I want to say the FB page was taken down because of reasons besides the case. This may change relatively soon.

I appreciate all the moral support, I would not be against someone doing a "financial" support drive, but I am not interested in doing that myself, I feel bad enough about the kickstarter and not being able to complete it at this point.

I hope it gets back up soon, and we support you!

weeble1000 wrote:
The hearing on the 23rd has been postponed until November 11th. Apparently the asset freeze was a precursor to reopening settlement negotiations.

JOINT MOTION TO RESET CITATION PROCEEDING
Plaintiff Games Workshop Limited (“GW”) and Chapterhouse Studios LLC
(“Chapterhouse”) jointly state as follows:
1. On September 17, 2014, GW filed a Citation to Discover Assets against Chapterhouse.
The Citation commanded that Chapterhouse appear in this court October 14, 2014, at
9:30 a.m.
2. On October 8, 2014, GW and Chapterhouse agreed to postpone the Citation proceeding
to Thursday, October 23.
3. The parties have since reopened settlement negotiations. In order to provide additional
time for these negotiations, GW and Chapterhouse jointly agree to reset the Citation
proceeding for November 11, 2014, at 9:30 a.m.

Is there no public record of what happened on the 23rd?

Curious what is going to happen with this. I hope the court doesn't allow GW to bully CHS around and put them out of business when most of their complaints were ridiculous.

I find it somewhat sad that this is really the only thread I've seen on forums with a pro-CHS bent, everyplace else (especially BOLS, no surprise) has people saying how CHS are crooks and deserve what they have coming to them for trying to cash in on GW's IP, etc. etc.

The hearing was postponed until November 12th.