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I'm porting my 30k Alpha Legion over to 40k and my friends would prefer I use a 40k list. So I'm using C:SM (This is not for reasons of competitiveness over Chaos Marines but to represent the list better).

So I have two major questions:
-Is the Angels of Death supplement any good for this?
I'm considering using it to get accurate Cataphractii use, but I don't know much about it, so any information would be nice.
-What Chapter Tactics should I use?
I'm currently at Raptors (Scout and Stealth on turn 1 and being able to shoot bolt weapons as Heavy 1 Rending if stationary) and Star Phantoms (Re-roll ones for reserve deep-strikes and army-wide Twin-Linked for one turn).

Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks lads.

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What type of units and tactics did you use a lot with the Alpha Legion?
   
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In 30k my Alpha Legion is focused heavily on screwing with my opponent before they've had the chance to do serious damage (manipulating reserve rolls, stealing units from them, forcing leadership checks). And I want to recreate as much of that as I can in a 40k list, hence why I chose chapter tactics that grant stealth and deep strike re-rolls.

So I want less of a beatstick army and more of a subtle, screwing with special rules army.

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UM Chapter tactics Sir.

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Reserve manipulation and doing damage to the enemy ehh?
Best imo would be the ragenguard with their special detachment.

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Select your Chapter Tactics via dice roll.

That way you still get the feeling of CSM in there and the comical scheming of the Alpha Legion!

But no really, switch up your tactics each game.

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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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Yeah the Ravenguard decurion allows you to do all sorts of fun stuff, like rerolling the mission, night fighting, getting to bring reserves on early etc.

Would seem apt for the Alpha Legion.

 
   
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Raptors and take Issoden. No better way to mess with your opponents than boobytrapping one of their units during deployment and straight up infiltrating 3 units (plus all the other raptors shenanigans). And he gives his unit shrouded iirc

Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

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Raptors with Issoden as warlord AND a callidus assassin attached. Your opponent will hate you if he or she has anything in reserve

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 King Pariah wrote:
Raptors with Issoden as warlord AND a callidus assassin attached. Your opponent will hate you if he or she has anything in reserve

this^
   
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Ravenguard decurion with raptors TC seems like the best option.

Though Issodon really is the 40k king of shenanigans with his T0 attack, reserve manipulations, unit buffs and fixed master of ambush and, you can't have him in a decurion.

So, either you raptor up with a RG decurion, or raptor up in a CAD led by Issodon.

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 Brother Payne wrote:
Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

It really isn't. "All units in the detachment must be drawn from the Raven Guard" is crystal clear. A successor using the Raven Guard chapter tactics can use it, Raptors cannot.
   
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 Scott-S6 wrote:
 Brother Payne wrote:
Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

It really isn't. "All units in the detachment must be drawn from the Raven Guard" is crystal clear. A successor using the Raven Guard chapter tactics can use it, Raptors cannot.


Yup, I would love to run a Talon strike force with Lias in charge, but the rules couldn't be clearer that it MUST be Ravenguard.

Raptors =/= Ravenguard.

 
   
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 General Kroll wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
 Brother Payne wrote:
Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

It really isn't. "All units in the detachment must be drawn from the Raven Guard" is crystal clear. A successor using the Raven Guard chapter tactics can use it, Raptors cannot.


Yup, I would love to run a Talon strike force with Lias in charge, but the rules couldn't be clearer that it MUST be Ravenguard.

Raptors =/= Ravenguard.
I am inclined to agree as RAW I think it is very clear. I do however know of people who argue otherwise and for casual games in my area it is kind of accepted that you can run successors in chapter specific detatchments. So check with the people you're playing against and otherwise just run Issoden w/out the Talon SF - plent of stealth, reserve and trap manipulation shenanigans still going there.

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 Brother Payne wrote:
 General Kroll wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
 Brother Payne wrote:
Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

It really isn't. "All units in the detachment must be drawn from the Raven Guard" is crystal clear. A successor using the Raven Guard chapter tactics can use it, Raptors cannot.


Yup, I would love to run a Talon strike force with Lias in charge, but the rules couldn't be clearer that it MUST be Ravenguard.

Raptors =/= Ravenguard.
I am inclined to agree as RAW I think it is very clear. I do however know of people who argue otherwise and for casual games in my area it is kind of accepted that you can run successors in chapter specific detatchments. So check with the people you're playing against and otherwise just run Issoden w/out the Talon SF - plent of stealth, reserve and trap manipulation shenanigans still going there.


Agreed, Issodon has plenty of shenanigans with out the need for the Talon.

 
   
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 Brother Payne wrote:
 General Kroll wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
 Brother Payne wrote:
Edit: could argue that raptors can use the ravenguard strike force anyway bc they're a successor (though this is up for debate)

It really isn't. "All units in the detachment must be drawn from the Raven Guard" is crystal clear. A successor using the Raven Guard chapter tactics can use it, Raptors cannot.


Yup, I would love to run a Talon strike force with Lias in charge, but the rules couldn't be clearer that it MUST be Ravenguard.

Raptors =/= Ravenguard.
I am inclined to agree as RAW I think it is very clear. I do however know of people who argue otherwise and for casual games in my area it is kind of accepted that you can run successors in chapter specific detatchments. So check with the people you're playing against and otherwise just run Issoden w/out the Talon SF - plent of stealth, reserve and trap manipulation shenanigans still going there.


Successor chapters using CT:RG are Raven Guard as far as the rules are concerned so using it is fine.

Successors using other chapter tactics (like the Raptors) have no rules connection to the Raven Guard whatsoever.
   
 
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