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Cobleskill

I'm starting Menoth for mkIII, and I'm wondering about the Soul Taker special rule. It says that for each soul the model has, it gets a corresponding point of focus. Control range is apparently double its current focus, so now are 2 things true:
1. Focus allocation affects control range for feats, ctrl area abilities and allocation itself?
2. There is actually an order for Allocation to warjacks? Meaning you have to allocate to the furthest away one first as your shrinking focus actively decreases your focus area?

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Points of focus and souls don't affect the FOCUS stat whhich control area is derived from. Your warcasters control area is equal to double it's FOCUS stat.

 
   
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That was true in mkII, but that isn't what it says in mkIII.


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I do hope that it gets errata'd though, considering that unless fury is worded.differently, warlocks are unplayable now.

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 carldooley wrote:
That was true in mkII, but that isn't what it says in mkIII.


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P.69 of Prime, 'Control Range'


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I do hope that it gets errata'd though, considering that unless fury is worded.differently, warlocks are unplayable now.


There's no difference between MK2 and MK3 wording?

@Carldooley Control range comes from your FOCUS/FURY stat, not how many points you have. Special rules refers to things like the Squire. If your caster is FOCUS 7, control range is always 14".

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FOCUS in caps is the stat, focus in lowercase is the points. Control range is based on FOCUS.

   
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 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Control range comes from your FOCUS/FURY stat, not how many points you have. Special rules refers to things like the Squire. If your caster is FOCUS 7, control range is always 14".

where does it say that in PRIME?
my interpretation is that such a thing is dead and gone, and CONTROL RANGE has replaced CONTROL AREA
if my interpretation is correct, then as in your example, a caster with Focus 7 that has 3 jacks, one adjacent, one 10" away and one 13.99" away can only allocate one point of focus to the furthest, because its control area shrinks to 12". Then the one 9" away can be allocated 2 points of focus, which shrinks it to 8" and lastly the adjacent one gets 2 as well, which shrinks its ctrl range to 4". God forbid it have a ctrl area feat or spells, as the area of effect would be smaller and smaller depending on how much focus is spent.

Fury manipulation actually works in this scheme as well. Say that you have a warlock with a similar setup, 7 fury max, starting with 0. Initially the adjacent warbeast would be outside its control range with 4 fury. By leeching a point from itself with a point of damage, its control area increases to 2 inches, allowing it to leech the 4 fury from the adjacent beast. its control range now 10", it can leech from the second, hopefully increasing the control range so that it encompasses the furthest as well. Then it could heal that initial damage by removing a point of fury during its activation.

and CONTROL AREA is equal to its CURRENT FOCUS, not twice its FOCUS stat. it says that right in the picture.

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 carldooley wrote:
 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Control range comes from your FOCUS/FURY stat, not how many points you have. Special rules refers to things like the Squire. If your caster is FOCUS 7, control range is always 14".

where does it say that in PRIME?
my interpretation is that such a thing is dead and gone, and CONTROL RANGE has replaced CONTROL AREA
if my interpretation is correct, then as in your example, a caster with Focus 7 that has 3 jacks, one adjacent, one 10" away and one 13.99" away can only allocate one point of focus to the furthest, because its control area shrinks to 12". Then the one 9" away can be allocated 2 points of focus, which shrinks it to 8" and lastly the adjacent one gets 2 as well, which shrinks its ctrl range to 4". God forbid it have a ctrl area feat or spells, as the area of effect would be smaller and smaller depending on how much focus is spent.

Fury manipulation actually works in this scheme as well. Say that you have a warlock with a similar setup, 7 fury max, starting with 0. Initially the adjacent warbeast would be outside its control range with 4 fury. By leeching a point from itself with a point of damage, its control area increases to 2 inches, allowing it to leech the 4 fury from the adjacent beast. its control range now 10", it can leech from the second, hopefully increasing the control range so that it encompasses the furthest as well. Then it could heal that initial damage by removing a point of fury during its activation.

and CONTROL AREA is equal to its CURRENT FOCUS, not twice its FOCUS stat. it says that right in the picture.


Because it didn't work that way in MK2, and there's been no change in the wording in MK3. I pulled both books up. Additionally, see above, TheWaspinator's post. FOCUS=stat, focus=focus points currently on. Seriously. Wording is identical to MK2 Book.

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Cobleskill

I see. Thanks for that.

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I'm pretty sure the only reason it says "current" FOCUS is because of some feats being able to modify the stat.

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sorry for the confusion. A new question (well two), more in line with the original question:
1. Is Soul Taker a special rule that can increase Control Area\Range? I'm specifically looking at the Testament of Menoth when asking the question.
2. I really like the synergy with Sanctifiers. If one is destroyed with unredeemed souls on it (it can have 5, but can only redeem 3 per turn), can the Testament reclaim them or are they gone forever?

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1. No. Soul Taker adds focus points, it doesn't increase your FOCUS.
2. No. Soul Taker specifically calls out destruction of living models, which the Sanctifier is not. Gone forever.

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 carldooley wrote:
 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
Control range comes from your FOCUS/FURY stat, not how many points you have. Special rules refers to things like the Squire. If your caster is FOCUS 7, control range is always 14".

where does it say that in PRIME?


I don't see it in Prime, but on page 15 in Primal, it says: "FURY," in all caps, always refers to the FURY stat. When it's not set in all caps, "fury" refers to fury points.

There should probably be a similar sentence somewhere in Prime, but it's easy enough to extrapolate that the same relationship exists between FOCUS and focus.

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Prime has the Fury stuff in the back. Likewise, Primal has Focus stuff in the back.
   
 
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