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CyporieanMade isn't around to maintain the previous SWM thread (whose OP was for a different product, anyway), so I figure I'll start a new one, so I can maintain the subject title.

From the Reaper forums: "The Core set is going to be available for $75 as a reward that starts with one Starter Set and grows from there.There will also be an option introduced to buy a non-growing Starter, as well as options to buy various sub-sets of the Starter (like, just these x walls, just these x floors, etc.). Precise details will be revealed as the project advances." I imagine the non-growing starter was based on Bones KS feedback from international backers who did not want the offered SG's, so postage would be reduced.

Pieces will be molded in PVC plastic, similar to Reaper Bones. Accessories are compatible with Dwarven Forge. The low walls are there so top-heavy figures (eg. demons) wouldn't bump into the walls, and could be reached more easily during play. Other SWM products, such as the Malice RPG Treasure set will be available through this KS. Not revealed yet if the mine cart and tracks will be SG or add-on. SWM said there will be risers for sub-levels.

SWM thread on Reaper: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/69716-secret-weapon-tablescapes-dungeons-mines/page-6
SWM FB page: https://www.facebook.com/SecretWeaponMiniatures/





relevant link :

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-dungeons-modular-rpg-dungeons-by-secre

I will likely be going large on this. Hopefully it will explode and we will be swimming in freebies Solid names behind it so fingers crossed!

Finally an nice looking alternative to the over priced Dwarven Forge KS. So tired of getting less and less for higher prices.

Sans stretch-goals it feels like one starter set MIGHT provide 2'x' worth of coverage. So for a single-floor, 3x3 for say, Frostgrave, you'd be looking at roughly four and a half set's worth.

Knowing Reaper, I wouldn't be shocked if the contents of a pledge double with stretch-goals, so all in all, i'm pretty impressed if that ends up the case.

And again, that's assuming you want a hypothetical, "all interior" dungeon for something like the new Breeding Pits expansion.

Well I'll get some extra hobby funds and this looks mighty promising

Anyone know what time this starts on monday?

I can't seem to find anything...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Anyone know what time this starts on monday?

I can't seem to find anything...

From their FB:

"No fixed time for launch, but we're aiming for Monday late morning."

Um... Live.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084069684/tablescapes-dungeons-modular-rpg-dungeons-by-secre?ref=user_menu

In for a couple of sets myself, looks great!

According to the video it looks like we may be seeing dungeon terrain and minis from Reaper appearing too...

I'm in too

Why is this not pulling in substantially more money quicker?

Seems like a crazy good deal as it picks up, especially for those of us who don't own Dwarven Forge materials, or have cast our own tiles.

Those stretches get hit we're going to have a lot of plastic piling up.

Well it's funded now so it can only get better from here. I think late july is a bad time for KS's though, so many companies want to launch their campaigns so they can show it off at GenCon.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Why is this not pulling in substantially more money quicker?

Seems like a crazy good deal as it picks up, especially for those of us who don't own Dwarven Forge materials, or have cast our own tiles.

Those stretches get hit we're going to have a lot of plastic piling up.

Yea Im wondering that as well, maybe its just off to a slow start. Seems like itll be a very good deal once the first couple unlocks happen.

It has some big advantages over hirst arts stuff. Mainly not having to cast a million things and itll be much easier to transport it out of your basement.

Lower cost of entry is there as well, 75$ doesnt get you far with HA sadly. But its still the route Ill probably end up going personally. Just too many other things I could do with the bricks that arent a dungeon layout. I just dread the thought of having to cast things over and over and over... *shudder*

Given the potential shipping costs of backing this on top of all the usual KS issues (delays, etc) vs just ordering them at "retail" with free shipping from Justin, it's not really going to be nearly as worthwhile for non-US backers. Add to that the fact that the biggest single source of non-US wargaming backers has had their currency tank due to Brexit....

Yeah, 14 month development time plus actual shipping equal stay away. I'm just too unsettled in my life right now with my job and family to think that far ahead.

The tiles look cool though!.

Hey folks - I don't think I'll be able to keep up with the thread entirely, but I wanted to chime in of course

@ Azazelx -- Backers in AUS, like yourself, will have their product shipped locally. I've already worked this out for fulfillment in the EU, UK, and AUS. No worries! But I don't offer free shipping outside of Sacramento, California and haven't in a long time now. Holding out for retail won't help when you effectively get two for one in the campaign, and local shipping...

@ Polonius -- 14 months to cut all of the tools, do all of the shots, and get everything shipped is actually very reasonable. Take a look at the Reaper Bones campaign cycles and you'll see on-time or early delivery every time. With their help, and the same factory doing production, we are not anticipating delays.

Actual shipping costs will be local for AUS, UK/EU, and USA - we are also looking at the best international rates for other countries, as folks in Canada *might* see orders ship from the UK if it's less expensive.

 misterjustin wrote:
@ Polonius -- 14 months to cut all of the tools, do all of the shots, and get everything shipped is actually very reasonable. Take a look at the Reaper Bones campaign cycles and you'll see on-time or early delivery every time. With their help, and the same factory doing production, we are not anticipating delays.

I wasn't trying to bust your chops, I'm just thinking more short term about my hobby spending these days. I'm hoping to move and start a family in the next 14 months, so this might not be for me right now.


Besides, I'd rather buy my stuff from you personally at Adepticon!

Funded in 3 hours! Only 9K to the next SG!

Update: "Now we’re aiming for $35,000 to unlocked the Core Wall Set – and add it to your Core Set Pledge FOR FREE! That’s an additional Wall Set in your Core Set Pledge!"

Pretty interesting that they're unlocking *entire sets* rather than a piece at a time.

Unlocking single pieces would be a logistical nightmare -- and this way ensures you'll get full, useful sets with each unlocked stretch goal.


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@ Polonius -- ADEPTICON! Cheers

I'd love a set of tiles that I could use for Silver Tower, and at least the first Dungeon Saga adventure.

Will you be releasing packs that include tiles that match those games?

That would be a cool idea.. even if they don't look right, put together some nice PDF guides for folks on what pieces they can glue together to match certain tiles for more popular dungeon crawler games

I'm not sure about game specific sets, but we will be working to put together some game specific layouts this week.

Shadows of Brimstone
Super Dungeon Explore
Dungeon Saga
Zombicide: Black Plague
Silver Tower
Endless Fantasy Tactics

These have all been suggested, and we're going to try and hit them all -- with official guest appearances of both Endless and SDE

oooh - eager to see these.

How about a guide for Descent too?

 misterjustin wrote:

@ Azazelx -- Backers in AUS, like yourself, will have their product shipped locally. I've already worked this out for fulfillment in the EU, UK, and AUS. No worries! But I don't offer free shipping outside of Sacramento, California and haven't in a long time now. Holding out for retail won't help when you effectively get two for one in the campaign, and local shipping...

Actual shipping costs will be local for AUS, UK/EU, and USA - we are also looking at the best international rates for other countries, as folks in Canada *might* see orders ship from the UK if it's less expensive.

Thanks for the Info, Justin. Much more interesting now. When the campaign said that Reaper was doing/helping with distribution, it sounded dire for those of us outside of the US, as Reaper don't seem to have any real idea (interest?) in non-US distro. Hopefully you can get some approximate quotes before the campaign ends? Will there be the ability to add more items via a pledge manager?

If the tiles work for SDE (or even better have certain themed/ sized items) at least I know this is a guaranteed purchase for my house- whereas before it was just getting purchased regardless for my selfish own interests, but now I can use the excuse of it's for "family."

Excellent.

 Necros wrote:
How about a guide for Descent too?

+1.

@SWM: If you don't have a copy of Descent, here's the Forgotten Souls PDF which has all (?) of the board game pieces:
@All: If you don't have FS, it's a great coop game, although you might want to try the app first.
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/88/86/8886b89f-bb90-4861-bff2-755d94db6a6a/ugdj04_co-op_rules.pdf

I also just noticed that it might be *easier* to use game tiles than use the app, because the app builds the board as you play. Easier to do this with game tiles than rummaging for tiles, imo...!
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/3c/bb/3cbb5642-39da-41dc-821b-daf729b1f15e/road_to_legend_rules.pdf

@ Azazelx -- Reaper is in the process of opening distribution centers in AUS and the UK, which means they'll sorting the parcels for us locally at both locations.... so there's that

@ highlord -- the SDE studio models arrive on Wednesday, and we're planning a snazzy update on Thursday to show them off.

@ ced1106 -- many thanks for the links!

It is also slow to fund because of reaper being involved. This stuff is going to show up in the normal low quality that reaper bones is know for. Reapers bones quality is terrible and WAY below Sercets very high standard of quality that Justin has built over the years. Why he is working with reaper is beyond me other then he had very few options. Was hard plastic an option early in devolpement? Which is a total shame.
I would have pledged without thought if they where hard plastic.
I dumped in the plastic tables kickstarter and got two 4x6 sets. Really not sure I will be doing this even though I really need dungeon terrain for at least half a dozen games I play. I do really like what I see as far as design. None for this cramped dungeon space that can not fit two figures side by side and crazy prices.
I just do not think $75 is worth the gamble. Those pieces will all be warped and need fixed if that is even possible. I have thrown away all 4 of the bones minis I bought as I was unable to fix them or get the bases to be flat in any way shape or form.
I dunno.
Disappointed. I have been waiting to see what secret weapon was going to do next.

In for 100$! Really looking forward to this, and already have the go-ahead from the missus on the basis of being a good toy for the girls too. Excited!