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2016/08/22 16:13:16
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Question for the day: do you consider yourself an artist?
I was helping my girlfriend do her makeup the other day (it's a bit of fun before the inevitable comes ) and she said, you'll do fine, you're an artist. It got me thinking, I've always considered myself a mini painter, but not an actual artist. So, to all miniature painters out there, do you consider yourselves artists when you paint?
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2016/08/22 16:31:17
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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But of course. We are making pieces of art aren't we? The hobby as a whole is very artistic as it exercises our creativity not only with painting, but constructing and writing as well.
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2016/08/22 16:59:18
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Basecoated Black
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That is a very good question. I tend to define an artist as someone who are masters off their trade, and as I do not paint to such a high level I do not define myself as an artist, no. But that is only my view on the word..
If being self critical of ones work and strive to better it define an artist, then I too am an artist.
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2016/08/22 17:07:09
Subject: Re:Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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When I paint, no. But when I model, yes. There's more room for creativity and expression in building my minis than in painting them.
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2016/08/22 17:19:56
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Yes, but only becomes Ive actually sold a few prints of some of my graphic design work recently.
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2016/08/22 17:23:02
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Calling myself an artist is an insult to other artists. I put paint on models at a skill level I would barely put above paint by numbers. I try to get better and my paint by number like skills have dramatically improved but what I do is far from what could be considered art.
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2016/08/22 17:31:52
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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No, it's not an insult to other artists. You're just a very focused kind of artist, assuming you paint your miniatures well beyond base coats, wash, and drybrush.
Honestly, if you're taking any amount of extra effort beyond that factory grade painting prep, then yes, you're practicing a narrow form of art.
Funny thing is, painting miniatures to a high standard definitely helped when using glazing methods for acylic on canvas painting later on for me.
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2016/08/22 18:11:46
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Nope. I'm not sure we need the definition 'artist' these days as the spectrum of cteative arts is so broad that it really needs some more explanation to be of value.
I used to work as an 'artist' and always felt like my toy soldiers were a nice creative side project but never my 'true art'.
I do less art these days and see my model making/painting as exactly that.
I would define myself as a 'Maker' these days.
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2016/08/22 18:39:20
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Knight of the Inner Circle
Montreal, QC Canada
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Not an Artist no as I consider that requires a lot more skill and dedication then I am doing.
I am making art, but it's a hobby more then a serious pursuit.
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2016/08/22 18:41:03
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I probably should consider myself an artist, even at my tabletop level.
But I don’t.
If I was going to hang that title on myself, it would be for some of the pastel/charcoal works I did back in HS/early college. Or some of the fun things I do in the kitchen.
But I classify the hobby as just that; a hobby. Not art. It’s mostly a perspective thing, which is very subjective.
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2016/08/22 18:43:58
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Terrifying Doombull
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No I dont consider myself an artis, would never see a reason for doing such a thing either
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2016/08/22 18:50:09
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Trondheim wrote:No I dont consider myself an artis, would never see a reason for doing such a thing either
But what if, for the sake of argument, you transferred the skills you learned mini painting to a canvas piece? I'm just curious really about peoples definition of art as a medium. Especially when it comes to miniature work.
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2016/08/22 18:53:49
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Trondheim wrote:No I dont consider myself an artis, would never see a reason for doing such a thing either
But what if, for the sake of argument, you transferred the skills you learned mini painting to a canvas piece? I'm just curious really about peoples definition of art as a medium. Especially when it comes to miniature work.
I would not waste time painting a picture, I leave that for those whom see fit to spend their time doing so. I paint my armies because without paint they are worthless to me and would not justifiy their puchase or use on the table.
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2016/08/22 19:05:55
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Nah. An artist is someone who is trying to express himself/herself. I am just trying to clear my pile of bare grey.
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2016/08/22 19:07:31
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nevelon wrote:I probably should consider myself an artist, even at my tabletop level.
But I don’t.
I am in the same boat. When I first went to answer the OP's question I immediately thought, "No way am I an artist or is anything I do with my miniatures art!" However, I do find others' miniatures-related work to merit the label "art" so it's just my perspective on my own work that makes the label of artist bothersome to me. Hm. Quite the predicament!
Art and artist are broad terms as others have said, but I think on even the most basic level what we do for our hobby can and should be considered artistic. Which I suppose makes us all artists, even if many of us aren't comfortable with that designation.
If someone wants to call what I do with a miniature "art" I'd be extremely flattered. If someone also called me an artist I'd feel uncomfortable and try to downplay the "art" behind the miniature because I don't identify my painting as an artistic endeavor.
Good question, OP. This has gotten me thinking about how I view my own work, which is definitely through a prism of pessimism.
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2016/08/22 20:32:07
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Calculating Commissar
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I view it more like 3d coloring in, but I'm very much at the bottom end of the talent scale. Decent enough for tabletop but nothing to marvel at.
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2016/08/22 22:55:08
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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I don't consider myself an artist. I'm a maker.
The artists I know all suffer from paralysing self-doubt and perfectionism. Nothing is ever "good enough" and they are constantly starting and doing-over all of their projects. Their results never live up to their expectations (it's like they never take into account the learning curves?)
I just do. The build is the learning experience. It may not be what I was aiming for, but it may also turn out BETTER.
(Maybe it's because I keep my expectations low, so it's not hard to exceed them?).
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
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2016/08/23 11:23:49
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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I do now, after realising that the main reason I didn't when I was younger is I was self-conscious about models not being "proper grown-up stuff".
Then I saw some of the utter farce on display in modern art galleries and decided if someone who chucks a bunch of garbage on a bed in a plain white room can claim to be an artist, then you're bloody right people who choose to put the effort into their models can - what we do has more in common with what I always thought of as "art"(painting, sculpting etc) than most of that pish.
And I don't see that it being a hobby bars it from being considered art and us artists - someone who paints watercolours or sculpts busts purely for their own enjoyment is still considered an artist.
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2016/08/23 15:49:56
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Completely. Some painters I know, my dad and some members of my game group among them, only consider themselves tp be painting pieces for games. The point is to have the models finished for the tabletop, and the quality they're going for is strictly "good enough" - not that this is bad or that the models don't look decent, but that's not where their focus lies.
On the other hand, I do consider myself an artist. I put hours and hours into painting and converting my minis, I research techniques on how to get better, and the fact that I get to put the models on the tabletop later is almost an afterthought. I'm also an artist for my dayjob though, so maybe giving myself that label for this stuff just comes easier to me.
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2016/08/23 16:39:53
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Artists? well in the same way as kids that can draw inside the lines are artists
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2016/08/23 18:20:36
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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...Is it ok to admit I got into Art because of 40k?
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2016/08/23 21:49:23
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I do, just not a very good one.
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2016/08/23 22:04:44
Subject: Re:Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Jimsolo wrote:When I paint, no. But when I model, yes. There's more room for creativity and expression in building my minis than in painting them.
This. It is one of the reasons I can't really seem to get into Privateer Press/warmachine. Just painting models that can't really be changed in any significant way feels like work, not art. There's some enjoyment in choosing the colors, but other than that, somebody in China could do it for me and I wouldn't care. On the other hand, making up a counts as army bringing together minis from many lines with characters and themes I created does feel like art.
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2016/08/23 22:12:07
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Primus
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Herzlos wrote:I view it more like 3d coloring in, but I'm very much at the bottom end of the talent scale. Decent enough for tabletop but nothing to marvel at.
Most of the time I would think that I am doing the above, but other times I think I am making art.
It depends on the model and how much thought I have put into the colour scheme.
For example, if I am choosing colours to evoke a feeling (and I actually do it) then I would call that art. If the model just looks cool, then I would call that 3D colouring in.
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2016/08/24 02:16:08
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Some time ago I went to the local arts store to buy some paints. Some local 'artists' that were hanging around at that time asked me what I was about to paint. I said 'miniatures'. They were genuinely surprised But yeah, since white spirit became my friend, I guess I can myself an artist
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2016/08/24 02:37:00
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Artist? Nope.
There are some modellers/painters who are artists, but most of us are not. Comparing most of us to artists would be like comparing an oil painting to a child's paint by numbers book.
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2016/08/24 03:36:52
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Painting Within the Lines
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I am an artist of the starving variety.
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2016/08/24 03:48:47
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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i consider the concept artists and sculptors to be artists, as well as the guys who have really pushed the boundaries of mini painting to new levels...
myself, i am simply a professional painter...
more just advanced paint by numbers than art, really...
i do put artist on all of my official documents, ironically, since there is no other title i could legally use
more often than not, when people ask me what i do, and i say that i am a painter, they think i paint houses...
maybe very tiny houses...with gun ports
cheers
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2016/08/24 09:55:06
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Sure, I'm an artist. I paint. I go to an art supply store. Its a craft. I'm not a great artist, we're never going to see a Space Marine in the Louvre next to Mona Lisa, but its still an art form. I'm more of an artist than 90% of today's singers and "musicians"
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2016/08/24 10:38:11
Subject: Do you consider yourself an artist?
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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No. I'd call myself a craftsman though.
As an aside, about the make-up thing... When I did paint judging for a local tournament ( for 3 years) I would often encounter armies painted to 2 different standards. Obviously painted by 2 different people. Invariably, the better painted minis were done by the wife/girlfriend, even though they, according to the husband/Boyfriend, were novices to painting miniatures. I figured that it was due to their experience 'painting' their own faces with cosmetics. And possibly nail polish application etc.
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