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Where is a good place to start with a IG army. This will be my first army, (if you don't count DoW). My final goal is to have baneblades and LRBT, supported by arty, and waves of men (if thats possible). So where would be a good place to start, after the Codex and Rulebook.

The Get Started Box. Buy a few

If you're fast you could take Kasrkin Granadiers instead of Munitourm Storm Trooper because they are on limited production these days. They are cheeper too, so no way you dont want them in a Cadia's army.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Cadian-Kasrkin-2016
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Kasrkin-Storm-Troopers-Assault-Weapons

So, which would be better for the edventual goal a loads of soldiers with heavy mechanzied support, Karskins or Shock Troops. (Kasrkins definetly look more awesome)

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
So, which would be better for the edventual goal a loads of soldiers with heavy mechanzied support, Karskins or Shock Troops. (Kasrkins definetly look more awesome)

Kasrkin are better because they are the Cadian Storm Troopers, in any case.

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
So, which would be better for the edventual goal a loads of soldiers with heavy mechanzied support, Karskins or Shock Troops. (Kasrkins definetly look more awesome)

The Kasrkins are equal to the Militarum Tempestus Stormtroopers. They're the elite soldiers.

The boxed set "Cadian Shock Troops" are your basic imperial guardsmen unit. So for lots and lots of infantry, you'll be buying these boxes.

So should I mix elites with loads of basic infantry with tank support?

I could definitely see a few russ' and basilisks bubble wrapped by a lot of cheap bodies supported by mechanized/flying storm troopers. Would work well too. I'd go for it!

Ok, so for starting how many Russes, Arty, Cadians, Kasrkins should I aim for? Also, what HQ should I go for?(I love this idea!)


Edit: You spoke of mechanized vs flying Kasrkins, whoch I assume os them in a chimera vs s valkyrie (which are gorgeous). What would be the advantages and disadvatages of each? (I know, I ask so many questions, but I getting really [excessively?] excited)

If you want Kasrkin, better to search an Ebay. It might be less expensive.

If you want tanks, look at FW Armoured Battlegroup rules. It has all of it's goodies of a unit focused on heavy armor like a command tank, battle tanks with Rumbling Behemoth (negates the Ordnance rule) and such.

I personally play the guard in "Blitzkrieg" style. An armoured core from the ABG (usually 2-4 Russes, Vanquisher, battletank/eradictor, exterminator and executioner), supported by standard Guard CaD, fielding a command squad, two grenadier-veterans in chimeras, one infantry platoon, manticore and Avenger strike fighter. Next game i waant to try the "armoured shield formation", where a inf. squad gets cover when they are near LR tank.

To answer your question, i would go for chimeras, because valkyries are unrealible because of reserves. It would work when fielded in large numbers or with reserve modificators and/or specialised rules (Elysian Drop Troos for example)
You can buy the Landing Pad fortification with "ready for takeoff" ugrade, but that another 40+ points more for aa single Valkyrie.

1) Baby steps. Don't go crazy. Get a start collecting box build it, paint it, and play with it. Then start adding to it.

2) Wyverns! They are hands down the best unit guard have right now. So grab some when you can.

3) You might be able to find the old Cadian battle force kicking around somewhere. If I recall correctly it comes with a sential, a compan command squad, a heavy weapons team and either 1 or 2 squads of guardsmen.

For the FW Armoured Battlegroup rules, where would I find that?
For the Wyvern, which would be better Heavy Bolter, or Heavy Flamer?
Also for the Leman Russ, what are the advatages of each varient(are the same as in DoW UA)?

The rules itself
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Imperial-Armour-Volume-One-Second-Edition-Imperial-Guard

Quick review of what it contains and what it does.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Guard/Armoured_Battlegroup(7E)


For the Leman Russ variants, each have different weapon, this is self-explanatory.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Guard(7E)#Heavy_Support

P.S. It's 1d4chan, take it with reserve, but it's useful.

For the Wyverns it usually doesn't matter, normally they are hidden behind Los blocking terrain so id go heavy flamer. But either or it should make a huge difference.

For leman russ variants. I'd do your best to magnetize them. Right now in the current edition sponsons are a complete waste of points. So bare bones tanks are the way to go for the battle tank and demolishes. However, Pask in a punisher can be very effective. In that case heavy bolters all around!

Thanks for all the links, so if I got a Start Collecting and play a few rounds, (have spent a week during break playing a different tabletop game but sadly not 40k)then get 2 more, allowing me to have have three tanks, three platoons, three heavy weapons team (not sure about which varients again), and three commissars (which seems a bit excessive). I'd also get a chimera with kaskrins (1 squad of ten with a heavy team),a basilisk, a wyvern (with heavy flamers!) and an HQ (Not sure who, perhaps Pask?), would this bea good idea?

Also, what do you mean magnetize.

CommanderRednaxela wrote:
Where is a good place to start with a IG army. This will be my first army, (if you don't count DoW). My final goal is to have baneblades and LRBT, supported by arty, and waves of men (if thats possible). So where would be a good place to start, after the Codex and Rulebook.

Well... The artillery formation for IG that is in the new Kauyon or Mont'Ka book ( I forget which) is quite beefy. A hydra (and if you shave the gun barrel, you will be able to take it in and out to make it EITHER a hydra OR a wyvern), Chimera, Manticore, and a basilisk have been very good choices for that Formation (I have faced this formation more than once and it is excellent). Ignoring cover with the Bsasilisk and manticore is sweet. I recommend the Manticore specifically because it is able to pop multiwouund models like the Space Wolves which you will see a lot of in competition.

So That would be excellent choices to start with.

I would warn against the Superheavy tanks. For what it's worth, the StormLord is probably the best of them and provides the maximum utility for an IG force. Having said that, Stormsurges will simply eat one. Unfortunately the advent of making the WraithKnight a gargantuan creature sort of necessitates that i now bring my singular StormSurge (some cheekeir players bring two). WraithKnights themselves have D weapons as do Eldar heavy Weapons batteries (albeit they are very short ranged). All in all, I think Super heavy tanks are generally not in the best interest of an IG player because while they WILL on occassion create an awesome mismatch, the hard counter to them is pretty darn hard. I can't imagine you won't see a Tau Empire player at some point. You'll also run into a Webway portal wielding dude with Wraithguard.

Just my advice.

As for waves of humanity smashing against the shoal of iniquity and heresy, i fully approve. I love that image of Imperial gyuard, but aesthetics aside, i also play an IG force that does this and it's more effective than you'd think. Thanks to the Regimental Advisores, you can make an IG blob into an impressive porcupine of firepower and melee zeal.

I personally use three Psykers and three Priests to power up my blob and turn it into an indomitable wrecking ball. I add lascannon teams to it because the Lascannons when buried in such a massive unit will never be exposed and will be ableto fire every round for the entire game until someoen actually wants to tangle with your unit in close combat. While there are a few units that can handle the blob, they take entuirely too long to do it and this will make them think twice before trying. I have only lost my Blob three times now, in all my games, so when i say it's hard to kill and take on, i really do mean it.

So i fully endorse the idea of that. Get 4 or 5 Lascannons, 45 guardsman, the Regimental Advisors i mentioned and go to town on someone the Artillery should convince the enemy that they need to advance into the maw of your deathstar(s).

Good luck.

I would warn against the Superheavy tanks. For what it's worth, the StormLord is probably the best of them and provides the maximum utility for an IG force. Having said that, Stormsurges will simply eat one. Unfortunately the advent of making the WraithKnight a gargantuan creature sort of necessitates that i now bring my singular StormSurge (some cheekeir players bring two). WraithKnights themselves have D weapons as do Eldar heavy Weapons batteries (albeit they are very short ranged). All in all, I think Super heavy tanks are generally not in the best interest of an IG player because while they WILL on occassion create an awesome mismatch, the hard counter to them is pretty darn hard. I can't imagine you won't see a Tau Empire player at some point. You'll also run into a Webway portal wielding dude with Wraithguard.

But Stormhammers look so awesome, its a pity they aren't practical.

As for waves of humanity smashing against the shoal of iniquity and heresy, i fully approve. I love that image of Imperial gyuard, but aesthetics aside, i also play an IG force that does this and it's more effective than you'd think. [/quote} "When in doubt, throw more men at it"

A hydra, Chimera, Manticore, and a basilisk have been very good choices for it

Do you mean together, or that all can play the role of arty?

Get 4 or 5 Lascannons, 45 guardsman, the Regimental Advisors i mentioned and go to town on someone the Artillery should convince the enemy that they need to advance into the maw of your deathstar(s).

Should I add Kasrkins in a chimera? Also, I would assume Leman Russ Demolishers would be useful. UrsoerTheSquid spoke of "Wyverns!" Would they work? Also how much arty should I have?

Thanks to the Regimental Advisores, you can make an IG blob into an impressive porcupine of firepower and melee zeal.

Thanks for the advice on an HQ!

the Manticore specifically because it is able to pop multiwouund models like the Space Wolves which you will see a lot of in competition

Will do. (Not sure why but the kind of remind me of Katyushas)


(I've been giddy all day thinking of this!)

Well my Militarum Tempestus list is built using an Allied IG blob. So theres that option also...

 Jancoran wrote:
Well my Militarum Tempestus list is built using an Allied IG blob. So theres that option also...

Those are the ones that can be replaced with Kasrkins, correct?

They are one and the same. No difference. so yes. kasrkin are StormTroopers are Scions.

Ok, and are tanks useful with IG blobs?

Well in the context of a Militarum Tempestus list, you would want to use Taurox Primes, and between the Scions, the blob and the Taurox Primes, i dont think you'll have a ton of points left over for other tanks. So you kind of have to choose. I personally add Hydras to cover my antiair weakness, the blob and Advisors, and then Taurox primes and 8 man Militarum Tempestus squads. I use the really old hooded Stormtroopers as my Volleyguns. you'll want at least eight volleyguns. Easir to use the old hooded dudes and their bulkier looking gun for the task. that's what i did anyways.

if you are going to want Artillery, commit fully to Astra Militarum and forget the Scions. If you want to use Scions at all, I'd suggest using them as Militarum Tempestus with allied IG. That's what I have found works the best. The orders you get as Militarum Tempestus are pretty darn useful. And if you do that you will want at least three Tempestus Command Squads for that force to lead your Militarum Tempestus dudes.

Ok, so ditch the Kaskrins, to get tanks and arty?

Yes. if youre going to use that artillery formation it can be a good 600 points of the force (but its really awesome).

the big blob of doom will be equally expensive (and impressive). So... maybe have two of them!

Regardles, it will be better if you want the really cool artillery Formation (again: Hydra, Chimera, manticore and Basilisk) then you will need to accept that other than maybe a couple small squads for meltagun assassination missions, you wont have the points to really do enough with the Militarum Tempestus to matter.

So... maybe have two of them!

Meaning have two armies?

Also, I NEED Leman Russes!

could definitely see a few russ' and basilisks bubble wrapped by a lot of cheap bodies supported by mechanized/flying storm troopers. Would work well too. I'd go for it!

Personnally this ideas is the one I can't stop thinking of and wanting. What would be a good list for that?

CommanderRednaxela wrote:

So... maybe have two of them!

Meaning have two armies?

Also, I NEED Leman Russes!

could definitely see a few russ' and basilisks bubble wrapped by a lot of cheap bodies supported by mechanized/flying storm troopers. Would work well too. I'd go for it!

Personnally this ideas is the one I can't stop thinking of and wanting. What would be a good list for that?

I wouldn't normally advise this, but consider purchasing Imperial Armour Volume 1 2nd edition from Forge World. If you want tanks, but don't necessarily want cheap bodies and bubble wrap...the Armoured Company list is good in there.

wouldn't normally advise this, but consider purchasing Imperial Armour Volume 1 2nd edition from Forge World. If you want tanks, but don't necessarily want cheap bodies and bubble wrap...the Armoured Company list is good in there.

So, no infrantry (oddly enough i like the idea of conscripits dieing to protect the tanks, its also hoiw I play DoW). Thanks for the advice, will get it(I love reading the rule books, and looking at the pictures).

CommanderRednaxela wrote:

wouldn't normally advise this, but consider purchasing Imperial Armour Volume 1 2nd edition from Forge World. If you want tanks, but don't necessarily want cheap bodies and bubble wrap...the Armoured Company list is good in there.

So, no infrantry (oddly enough i like the idea of conscripits dieing to protect the tanks, its also hoiw I play DoW). Thanks for the advice, will get it(I love reading the rule books, and looking at the pictures).

So, what the Armoured Company does is make Leman Russ Squadrons Troop choices.
It also gives you the option of Armoured Infantry Squads and Armoured Veteran Squads.

There's also an Armoured Stormtrooper Squad which, per the FAQ released for it ages ago, pays nothing for a Chimera.

You end up with a wall of armored vehicles, but man do you get some crazy tank fun for things like the Vanquisher.

I see. What exactly do you mean by Armoured Infantry? (Getting the rulebook tommorow when my check comes in)

CommanderRednaxela wrote:

So... maybe have two of them!

Meaning have two armies?

Also, I NEED Leman Russes!

could definitely see a few russ' and basilisks bubble wrapped by a lot of cheap bodies supported by mechanized/flying storm troopers. Would work well too. I'd go for it!

Personnally this ideas is the one I can't stop thinking of and wanting. What would be a good list for that?

I meant two blobs. but you could get a Leman Russ Squadron in there if you want. You'll have about 800 points to play with. So an Artillery group, a Leman Russ group and then your blob? could work.