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the first list is a lions blade strike force

BDC

company master powersword

5 tact melta heavybolter razorback

5 tact melta lasplas razorback

5 tact plasmagun lasplas razorback

5 assault 2 flamers flameback with dozer blades

5 dev 2 plasma cannon in a rhino

second BDC

Chaplain

5 tact melta assualtcannon razorback

5 tact melta assault cannon razorback

5 tact plasmagun las plas back

5 assault 2 flamer flamerback with dozerblades

5 dev 2 gravcannon in a rhino

raven wing attack squadron
6 ravenwing 2 plasma gun attack bike with a multimelta and a speeder with an assault cannon

Idea is a lot of tanks moving around with marienes ready to pounce as for the ravenwing attack squadron i planned on combat squading so the atk bike can hit heaver tanks and the but if needed i could keep them together and still be able to pop light tanks with the plas

This list I priced at 450$ not counting the few models i have but looks like it can be shut down pretty easily if the tanks get blown

second list looks much more fun to play

this one is a ravening strikeforce

interegator chaplain on a bike with the mace of redemption

lvl 2 librarian on a bike

6 raven wing command squad with 2 gl and the fnp (chappy and maybe libby go here)

3 ravenwing black knights

2 lone attack bikes with multi meltas

1 speeder with an assault cannon

Ravenwing attack squadron
6 ravenwing bikes 2 plas atkbike with a mm
land speeder vengeance

Ravenwing support squadron
ravenwing dark shroud assault cannon

3 land speeders with assault cannons

this list is one of the reasons i wanted to play dark angels with all the bikes and speeders the lone speeder might go into the support squadron instead of being on its own but not sure yets priced at over 500$ more if i cant get my hanfds on 3 those battleforces

both lists could take a while to make since i only have about 85 dollars i can spend on 40k every month and that's counting chaos stuff for my lil brothers army so wanted to get the list built first so i know what to buy p with the lists would be appreciated

Personally I would say if you're more excited by playing Ravenwing then go for list 2! I may be slightly bias since RW are by far my favourite aspect of the Dark Angels. Are you also wanting suggestions for the lists?

Yes suggestions to make them better would be helpful computer was acting up so didn't get to finish my sentence. yeah and ravenwing and deathwing are the reason i wanted to play dark angels years ago and now that they have a decent dex (and there in dark vengeance) I decided to try them out I have heard and seen (in battle reports) that termys aren't as good as they used to be though so sticking with ravenwing for now.

Ravenwing are a highly elite army so trying to increase your model count as much as possible is always a good thing. For example I would recommend only taking 1 HQ, probably dropping the Librarian. The psychic phase is often an all or nothing thing, since there are armies that are able to put out a hell of a lot of dice (Eldar, Daemons, Grey Knights, Inquisition).

What are the things on the list you are most excited for since that should be what the army is based on?

Do you want loads of bikes, or a variety of Bikes, Attack Bikes, and Land Speeders?

Do you want a Black Knight heavy list? If so I would say to make 2 squads of 5 and 6. Then add more regular bikers to bulk out the force.

Also whilst Plasma is very Dark Angels, Gravguns on Relentless bikes is too good to miss and for the same points as Plasma guns it's even better.

Giving your Land Speeders Assault Cannons puts them within the threat range of a whole load of S4 shots capable of glancing them to nothing. Personally I prefer Land Speeders for offering long range support with Typhoon Missile Launchers or for suiciding with Multi-Meltas much like Attack Bikes.

Finally, I would say drop the Vengeance, go for 2 Dark Shrouds. They never make their points back for me, where as the ability to double the area where all your army has +1 to their jinks is always a good thing.

I know I'm not a big fan of the flyers as the models scare me and one of big reasons i want this list over the lions blade is I'm not all that great at painting rhinos never painted a speeder but with ravenwing most of the work will be done from the black primer.

wasn't sure about the librarian in first place so dropping him wont be a big deal(less work on fixing up my converted libby on bike model anyway)

StiXFletcher wrote:
Personally I would say if you're more excited by playing Ravenwing then go for list 2! I may be slightly bias since RW are by far my favourite aspect of the Dark Angels. Are you also wanting suggestions for the lists?

I agree with this. If this is what you're excited to play then I say go with Ravenwing.

I usually give my Libby on bike the Shroud of Heroes, it's a pretty good upgrade for only 10 points.

Black Knights/Command Squad is a pretty solid.

I'd probably move the 1 LS with AC (more on that later).

For the Ravenwing Attack squadron I'd change the 2 plas to 2 grav guns. These guys are pretty mean with gravguns/combi-grav since they are relentless and still have their TL boltors for when they are shooting at those pesky low save models. Having 3 shots/gun at 18" for things like WKs is pretty awesome. And besides having a 1 extra shot, you don't run the risk of losing a biker to Gets Hot.

I would also probably put that 1 extra LS here. Why risk having that many points in a model that could kill itself pretty easily and really isn't that good. Besides, the real advantage of this formation is getting your MM to hit on a 2+ thanks to the +1 BS. Honestly, if you needed points you could just run the LS with 2 HB to really guarantee a hit, doesn't matter if it wounds. The AC rending is just a bonus and makes it a little more effective.

The Ravenwing Support Squadron looks pretty solid. If you get tight on points you can always drop the AC from the DS since it's real purpose is making your RW harder to kill.


For the Lion's Blade

I usually treat the Company Master/Chaplain as a tax (since they pretty much are) and keep them stock. Put the points somewhere more useful.

I'd probably change the Las/Plas turrets to AC just because you'll likely be moving these guys a lot so even though you have 2 weapon systems you'll only be able to shoot 1 at full bs most of the time and the other snap shooting. It's kind of a waste at that point since yo'll be paying for 1 weapon system you can't use effectively most the game. I'd stick with just a TL LC at the least or go with the TLAC (my personal favorite).

I'd also probably put the assault squad in a drop pod and keep them the way it is. I tend to do really well with them in the same configuration you have but in a pod. Plus it helps taking some of the fire off your rhinos. Of course, if you do this you may want to consider swapping out a rhino for a pod in one of the tac squads to keep that 2 in turn 1 ratio.

The Dev squad with Grav is solid. The Plasma cannons aren't the best, its pretty easy to space out well enough that their small blast template won't do much damage and they seem to not shoot/die a lot for me. You could drop the power sword from the CM and probably put 2 Las in the rhino instead for a little AT or really shuffle for 2 more grav.

Already talked about the Attack squad haha

Hope this helps!

It does the plasma cannon dev squad was mostly because i have like 5 of the model already same with the plasma gun on bikes(though that is easy enough to fix)

So I edited the rw list based on some of your feedback new list is

interagator chappy on a bike mace of redemption

6 rw command with the fnp and t grenade launchers

rw attack squadron
6 rw bikes 2 grav attack mm
land speeder with 2 heavy bolters

Ravenwing support squadron
3 raven wing ls assault cannons
ravenwing darkshroud

3 raven wing black knights

a lone mm attack bike

then for last 305 points I'm still uncertain between 2 ideas

More long range fire

3 land speeders ml
raven wing darkshroud
if i can have two of same formation then they will be a unit if not the dark shroud will support where needed

or more bodys

6 ravenwing bikes 2 grav attack mm
ravenwing ls mm
and Id give chappy and the black knight huntmaster meltabombs with remaining 10 points

Starwarsninja12 wrote:
if i can have two of same formation then they will be a unit if not the dark shroud will support where needed

You can have multiple copies of the same Formation as long as they don't have any Unique models (i.e. named special characters) or have a specific rule that prevents multiple copies (I'm not aware of any Formation with a restriction like that).

Starwarsninja12 wrote:
6 rw command with the fnp and t grenade launchers

If that's two RW grenade launchers, I'll suggest dropping it down to only one - Rad grenades aren't the shizzle they once were, so you only need a single Stasis grenade hit (and multiples don't stack).