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I'm expecting a nerf and a backlash to rival the Grey Knights new dex. They're leveling the playing field now.

Look at the Orks. Their old codex's power level was pretty much where the designers wanted, so they got a SLIGHTLY better codex (which is pretty decent). But, the necrons level is up there a bit and has for a while. They could fix Flayed Ones etc, but expect to lose a few of your toys.

 Grey Knight Janitor wrote:
I'm expecting a nerf and a backlash to rival the Grey Knights new dex. They're leveling the playing field now.

Look at the Orks. Their old codex's power level was pretty much where the designers wanted, so they got a SLIGHTLY better codex (which is pretty decent). But, the necrons level is up there a bit and has for a while. They could fix Flayed Ones etc, but expect to lose a few of your toys.

They would have to fix more than just Flayed Ones, otherwise we won't have any toys left that are usable. That's the predicament that the current codex is in. There's only like, 2 builds of like, 4 different units that are even worth their salt against every other army. Everything else is just pretty bad or too expensive. That's why Necrons don't have many viable options currently.

 Grey Knight Janitor wrote:
I'm expecting a nerf and a backlash to rival the Grey Knights new dex. They're leveling the playing field now.

Look at the Orks. Their old codex's power level was pretty much where the designers wanted, so they got a SLIGHTLY better codex (which is pretty decent). But, the necrons level is up there a bit and has for a while. They could fix Flayed Ones etc, but expect to lose a few of your toys.

Up where? Up in the 55% win-rate?
I wouldn't really call that 'up there a bit' and thus I wouldn't expect too many nerfs.

 krodarklorr wrote:
They would have to fix more than just Flayed Ones, otherwise we won't have any toys left that are usable. That's the predicament that the current codex is in. There's only like, 2 builds of like, 4 different units that are even worth their salt against every other army. Everything else is just pretty bad or too expensive. That's why Necrons don't have many viable options currently.

I'm forced to agree. The internal balance wasn't particularly good when the book was made, but now it's just abysmal.

We have maybe 1 decent Elite choice, 2 Good FA and maybe 1 HS. It's only really HQ that has a decent selection of usable units (which certainly doesn't include most of the characters).

Then you have the fact that half our wargear is just outright outclassed by the other half. What would you take - a Warscythe or a Voidblade? MSS or a Tesseract Labyrinth? Phylactery or... anything else really? Frankly, you could offer me the opportunity to pay 15pts just to mash my hand with a mallet, and I'd probably still choose it over Phylactery.

Probably the worst part though is that the 10% of our book that's actually usable is also too strong in places - so I have a bad feeling GW will just nerf everything as a precaution.

 vipoid wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
They would have to fix more than just Flayed Ones, otherwise we won't have any toys left that are usable. That's the predicament that the current codex is in. There's only like, 2 builds of like, 4 different units that are even worth their salt against every other army. Everything else is just pretty bad or too expensive. That's why Necrons don't have many viable options currently.

I'm forced to agree. The internal balance wasn't particularly good when the book was made, but now it's just abysmal.

We have maybe 1 decent Elite choice, 2 Good FA and maybe 1 HS. It's only really HQ that has a decent selection of usable units (which certainly doesn't include most of the characters).

Then you have the fact that half our wargear is just outright outclassed by the other half. What would you take - a Warscythe or a Voidblade? MSS or a Tesseract Labyrinth? Phylactery or... anything else really? Frankly, you could offer me the opportunity to pay 15pts just to mash my hand with a mallet, and I'd probably still choose it over Phylactery.

Probably the worst part though is that the 10% of our book that's actually usable is also too strong in places - so I have a bad feeling GW will just nerf everything as a precaution.

And I am forced to agree with you as well, ha. Hence why I'm looking forward to/dreading the new book. I feel it may stop me from playing my Necrons...

Hey guys, I'm in the middle of writing up my own fan-made Necron codex for 7th ed. But I have no idea what kind of relics we could possibly have. What would you guys like to see as far as Relics?

Dont they already have relic lv equipment?

 Desubot wrote:
Dont they already have relic lv equipment?

Uhh, not really.

Well, some possibilities off the top of my head:

- MSS (if you want to keep their current effect, but limit their availability in the army).

- The Black Gauntlets - Gauntlets of Fire, but with Rending on both melee and flamer attacks. Also, count as a pair of CCWs.

- Warscythe with built-in Gauss Blaster.

- Charged Staff of Light - same as a Staff of Light, but counts as a Power Axe in combat (or perhaps a Power Sword?)

- Phylactery - Lord has IWND and passes his first RP roll on a 2+ (is that too good?)

- Phase-generator core - Lord has a 3++ save and ignores terrain.

- Advanced Chassis - Lord gains +1W and EW.

- Holographic Terrain Generator - Lord and any unit he joins have the Stealth special rule.

- Liquid Flux Capacitor - At the beginning of each Necron turn, choose one of the following: +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +2I, or +1A. The Lord gains the selected bonus until the start of your next turn.

- Adaptive Photosensors - Lord is immune to Blind. In addition, the Lord (and any unit he joins) gains Night Vision.

Any of these useful?

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Dont they already have relic lv equipment?

Uhh, not really.

I disagree a ton of your cryptek wargear should easily be considered Relic level from there level of shenanigans.

But if anything there probably should be some kinda relic res orb.

 vipoid wrote:
Well, some possibilities off the top of my head:

- MSS (if you want to keep their current effect, but limit their availability in the army).

- The Black Gauntlets - Gauntlets of Fire, but with Rending on both melee and flamer attacks. Also, count as a pair of CCWs.

- Warscythe with built-in Gauss Blaster.

- Charged Staff of Light - same as a Staff of Light, but counts as a Power Axe in combat (or perhaps a Power Sword?)

- Phylactery - Lord has IWND and passes his first RP roll on a 2+ (is that too good?)

- Phase-generator core - Lord has a 3++ save and ignores terrain.

- Advanced Chassis - Lord gains +1W and EW.

- Holographic Terrain Generator - Lord and any unit he joins have the Stealth special rule.

- Liquid Flux Capacitor - At the beginning of each Necron turn, choose one of the following: +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +2I, or +1A. The Lord gains the selected bonus until the start of your next turn.

- Adaptive Photosensors - Lord is immune to Blind. In addition, the Lord (and any unit he joins) gains Night Vision.

Any of these useful?

Well, for the most part, most of the wargear, as it is now, stayed the same. The Phylactery I made 5 points more expensive, but it allows you to automatically pass your first RP roll and come back with one additional wound.

MSS I changed to be more expensive, and instead of attacking themselves, they lose a d3 attacks that phase.

All the other ones are actually pretty neat idea that I would not have thought of. >.<

A more powerful res orb that affect units within 6" of the lord would be nice.

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

 vipoid wrote:
Well, some possibilities off the top of my head:

- MSS (if you want to keep their current effect, but limit their availability in the army).

- The Black Gauntlets - Gauntlets of Fire, but with Rending on both melee and flamer attacks. Also, count as a pair of CCWs.

- Warscythe with built-in Gauss Blaster.

- Charged Staff of Light - same as a Staff of Light, but counts as a Power Axe in combat (or perhaps a Power Sword?)

- Phylactery - Lord has IWND and passes his first RP roll on a 2+ (is that too good?)

- Phase-generator core - Lord has a 3++ save and ignores terrain.

- Advanced Chassis - Lord gains +1W and EW.

- Holographic Terrain Generator - Lord and any unit he joins have the Stealth special rule.

- Liquid Flux Capacitor - At the beginning of each Necron turn, choose one of the following: +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +2I, or +1A. The Lord gains the selected bonus until the start of your next turn.

- Adaptive Photosensors - Lord is immune to Blind. In addition, the Lord (and any unit he joins) gains Night Vision.

Any of these useful?

Well, for the most part, most of the wargear, as it is now, stayed the same. The Phylactery I made 5 points more expensive, but it allows you to automatically pass your first RP roll and come back with one additional wound.

MSS I changed to be more expensive, and instead of attacking themselves, they lose a d3 attacks that phase.

All the other ones are actually pretty neat idea that I would not have thought of. >.<

I also had some ideas:
-A long-range sniper with Entropic Strike.
-Mini-Lightning Storm, like from the Damnos Formation.
-Tesla + Haywire-weapon
-Phylactery that also let's you reroll Everliving.
-6" Resurrection Orb
-Obyron's Mantle as a Relic?

I don't think a MSS-relic should be nerfed or reduced in price, probably even buffed so it's actually useful in games where your opponent knows the rules
Like a MSS that can't be countered by 'abusing' B2B or the order of challenges/MSS.

Kangodo wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

Spoiler:

 vipoid wrote:
Well, some possibilities off the top of my head:

- MSS (if you want to keep their current effect, but limit their availability in the army).

- The Black Gauntlets - Gauntlets of Fire, but with Rending on both melee and flamer attacks. Also, count as a pair of CCWs.

- Warscythe with built-in Gauss Blaster.

- Charged Staff of Light - same as a Staff of Light, but counts as a Power Axe in combat (or perhaps a Power Sword?)

- Phylactery - Lord has IWND and passes his first RP roll on a 2+ (is that too good?)

- Phase-generator core - Lord has a 3++ save and ignores terrain.

- Advanced Chassis - Lord gains +1W and EW.

- Holographic Terrain Generator - Lord and any unit he joins have the Stealth special rule.

- Liquid Flux Capacitor - At the beginning of each Necron turn, choose one of the following: +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +2I, or +1A. The Lord gains the selected bonus until the start of your next turn.

- Adaptive Photosensors - Lord is immune to Blind. In addition, the Lord (and any unit he joins) gains Night Vision.

Any of these useful?

Well, for the most part, most of the wargear, as it is now, stayed the same. The Phylactery I made 5 points more expensive, but it allows you to automatically pass your first RP roll and come back with one additional wound.

MSS I changed to be more expensive, and instead of attacking themselves, they lose a d3 attacks that phase.

All the other ones are actually pretty neat idea that I would not have thought of. >.<

I also had some ideas:
-A long-range sniper with Entropic Strike.
-Mini-Lightning Storm, like from the Damnos Formation.
-Tesla + Haywire-weapon
-Phylactery that also let's you reroll Everliving.
-6" Resurrection Orb
-Obyron's Mantle as a Relic?

I don't think a MSS-relic should be nerfed or reduced in price, probably even buffed so it's actually useful in games where your opponent knows the rules
Like a MSS that can't be countered by 'abusing' B2B or the order of challenges/MSS.

Yeah, I hate that MSS can be ignored so easily, yet people still complain about it. But everyone thinks the 6" Rez orb is gonna happen, and it makes sense. But an Obyron's Mantle equivalent? I'd be okay with that. Or Orikan's Staff as a Relic.

I'd be happy is Mind Shackle Scarabs were dumbed down to a Hammer of Wrath Attack with the Ablative Strike Special Rule.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy is Mind Shackle Scarabs were dumbed down to a Hammer of Wrath Attack with the Ablative Strike Special Rule.

Ehh, no. That has no flavor at all, and wouldn't benefit us at all in CC. In fact, no one would probably take it.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy is Mind Shackle Scarabs were dumbed down to a Hammer of Wrath Attack with the Ablative Strike Special Rule.

I wouldn't.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy is Mind Shackle Scarabs were dumbed down to a Hammer of Wrath Attack with the Ablative Strike Special Rule.

Ehh, no. That has no flavor at all, and wouldn't benefit us at all in CC. In fact, no one would probably take it.

While I agree it may not be as popular, I disagree about it not having flavor.

Tiny Scarabs swarming the opponent and stripping his armor is very Necron to me.

I'm pretty sure the book is already written, printed, and sittiing in a warehouse collecting dust waiting to be released at this point, so I'm sure we are safe no one at GW will take my suggestion.

 adamsouza wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
I'd be happy is Mind Shackle Scarabs were dumbed down to a Hammer of Wrath Attack with the Ablative Strike Special Rule.

Ehh, no. That has no flavor at all, and wouldn't benefit us at all in CC. In fact, no one would probably take it.

While I agree it may not be as popular, I disagree about it not having flavor.

Tiny Scarabs swarming the opponent and stripping his armor is very Necron to me.

I'm pretty sure the book is already written, printed, and sittiing in a warehouse collecting dust waiting to be released at this point, so I'm sure we are safe no one at GW will take my suggestion.

Unless, of course, they already have.

Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

This is GW we're talking about....

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

Technologically advanced =/= common sense or good.

Touch pads are an example of this.

Very techy, less ergonomic than a solid interface.
Given the choice between a Keyboard + Mouse and a touchpad, I will always choose the former.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

Technologically advanced =/= common sense or good.

Touch pads are an example of this.

Very techy, less ergonomic than a solid interface.
Given the choice between a Keyboard + Mouse and a touchpad, I will always choose the former.

That would be cool if Living metal removed the additional +1 to the Damage chart for being Open Topped...

 krodarklorr wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

Technologically advanced =/= common sense or good.

Touch pads are an example of this.

Very techy, less ergonomic than a solid interface.
Given the choice between a Keyboard + Mouse and a touchpad, I will always choose the former.

That would be cool if Living metal removed the additional +1 to the Damage chart for being Open Topped...

Or if living metal gave necron vehicles "It Will Not Die".

Warmonger2757 wrote:


Or if living metal gave necron vehicles "It Will Not Die".

That's what most people I've seen think it will become. It makes sense, but honestly I would come to miss the ignoring Crew shaken and stunned on the Monolith and Doom Scythe.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

i was under the assumption that it was the eldar

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

i was under the assumption that it was the eldar

You may escort yourself out, good sir.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Pyeatt wrote:
Hey man... If they could keep everything about the same, but give things proper AP values so I don't have to dig through FAQs... I'd be pretty happy. Also, flayed ones are too cool to be so pathetic.

Also, Plasma. Or a Plasma equivalent. Where is all our AP 2 for being the most advanced race in the galaxy?

The same "techonologically most advanced" race in the universe that puts robots into AI-controlled vehicles and has all vehicles being open-topped?

The being open-topped is part of being technologically advanced. Their vehicles are protected by force fields that are better than physical armor. They don't need armor.