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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
GW could go up and down the street giving people free puppies and still there would be people shouting that "GW tried to kill me--I'm allergic to dogs!".

Quite frankly, GW can't do anything without "losing good will with a good portion of the customer base" if you listen to posters on forums.

So yes Im extremely happy with the news that Orcs will be discontinued, how could I not be? I mean the fluff is gone and the game is gone and now the models will be scrapped.

This is Great news Kan great news indeed...

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Or Orc

The faction is still called Orcs & Goblins, no? Or are they totally written out of the fluff? I'm actually not an End Times fan, so I have no clue.

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

Considering there's going to be female Ooruks I half expected that models were getting canned.

My advice if you want a kit get it as soon as you can

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

Probably because a lot of people don't like what they do? It's one of many possibilities.

 Talys wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Said it before, saying it again:
GW could go up and down the street giving people free puppies and still there would be people shouting that "GW tried to kill me--I'm allergic to dogs!".

Quite frankly, GW can't do anything without "losing good will with a good portion of the customer base" if you listen to posters on forums.

So yes Im extremely happy with the news that Orcs will be discontinued, how could I not be? I mean the fluff is gone and the game is gone and now the models will be scrapped.

This is Great news Kan great news indeed...

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Or Orc

The faction is still called Orcs & Goblins, no? Or are they totally written out of the fluff? I'm actually not an End Times fan, so I have no clue.

I think the books will be more like order, Chaos, death etc etc

I don't think the updated look will be all that different. We've already seen what the updated chaos are beginning to look like and it's not too different. I will go out on a limb and say all the "End Times" models also have the new look of their faction. Again not that different.

Something more akin to the Tyranid aesthetic updates firstly in 3rd and then again in 4th edition 40k.

You know, I think the Fantasy purchasing lull might go on for a while, outside of the Sigmarines and their Khornate pals. Purchasing old armies now is a risky venture, what with the risk that they won't exist in any meaningful way in AOS and will possibly be out-of-size. In fact, I'm wondering if we're going to experience a "second burn" of customers who buy previous models (ie. "I always wanted to do a small Wood self army!") and find, in six months, that their stuff doesn't really fit. I feel like this could be a really big problem.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

You don't have to read it, or reply.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new Orruks (and other re-imaginings) are going to be different in just aesthetics or scale as well. It would seem foolish to make WH-AOS at a different scale than WHFB, but it's hard to tell based on the images of the Chaos human mauraders.

If it's just aesthetics, I think that's a good idea, but if it's changing the scale as well to force new army purchases...well I think that will be a big mistake.

It was rumoured early on, and seems to be backed up by the Chaos models in the starter set, that AOS is a new, larger scale than WHFB.

 Bottle wrote:
I don't think the updated look will be all that different. We've already seen what the updated chaos are beginning to look like and it's not too different. I will go out on a limb and say all the "End Times" models also have the new look of their faction. Again not that different.

Something more akin to the Tyranid aesthetic updates firstly in 3rd and then again in 4th edition 40k.

The aesthetics might not be that different, but the size looks significantly bigger. That is honestly the much bigger problem.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

You don't have to read it, or reply.

And by that same virtue, neither do any of the people who come into GW threads to moan about how GW has "wrecked X from days of yore!".

It cuts both ways.

 insaniak wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new Orruks (and other re-imaginings) are going to be different in just aesthetics or scale as well. It would seem foolish to make WH-AOS at a different scale than WHFB, but it's hard to tell based on the images of the Chaos human mauraders.

If it's just aesthetics, I think that's a good idea, but if it's changing the scale as well to force new army purchases...well I think that will be a big mistake.

It was rumoured early on, and seems to be backed up by the Chaos models in the starter set, that AOS is a new, larger scale than WHFB.

See, I feel like this will be the second great failing of WH-AOS (the first being the lack of points or any concept of balancing). They'll screw up the ability to buy kits as bits for 40k and alien gets old WHFB armies all-together. And I BET those new bigger models will have a nice, higher price tag....

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

You don't have to read it, or reply.

And by that same virtue, neither do any of the people who come into GW threads to moan about how GW has "wrecked X from days of yore!".

It cuts both ways.

Here's an idea, stop arguing about arguing and stick to the fething topic?

 Melissia wrote:
So no more orcs and goblins.

Whelp, there goes my plans to buy a spider rider army.

When it comes to being a massive, depressing disappointment, GW never disappoints.

Orcs and Goblins are still there...

 Accolade wrote:
You know, I think the Fantasy purchasing lull might go on for a while, outside of the Sigmarines and their Khornate pals. Purchasing old armies now is a risky venture, what with the risk that they won't exist in any meaningful way in AOS and will possibly be out-of-size. In fact, I'm wondering if we're going to experience a "second burn" of customers who buy previous models (ie. "I always wanted to do a small Wood self army!") and find, in six months, that their stuff doesn't really fit. I feel like this could be a really big problem.

The problem that GW had was that there weren't people saying, "I always wanted to do a small Wood Elf army!". Or at least, not enough to matter.

 Accolade wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I don't think the updated look will be all that different. We've already seen what the updated chaos are beginning to look like and it's not too different. I will go out on a limb and say all the "End Times" models also have the new look of their faction. Again not that different.

Something more akin to the Tyranid aesthetic updates firstly in 3rd and then again in 4th edition 40k.

The aesthetics might not be that different, but the size looks significantly bigger. That is honestly the much bigger problem.

This has happened before in Warhammer's history. Chaos Warriors of 8th are bigger than the original plastic kit of 5th. Night goblins went in the other direction by getting smaller.

I don't it's going to be too much of a problem.

Plus armies are going to be under 50 models now too, so they are projects you'll be able to finish without the look getting updated half way through.

I can understand a reluctance to commit to a new army when they may end up looking off scale, or, worse, superseded by awesomer sculpts.

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
So no more orcs and goblins.

Whelp, there goes my plans to buy a spider rider army.

When it comes to being a massive, depressing disappointment, GW never disappoints.

Orcs and Goblins are still there...

They are until they release the new version of the Orcs then the old will be discontinued

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

Then how bout you ignore the invalid criticisms and try addressing the valid ones?

Why should I? They've already been addressed, in-depth, by people who probably addressed it better than I could.

It's really annoying to see the constant crap, continually posted, time and time again anytime GW does ANYTHING.

You don't have to read it, or reply.

And by that same virtue, neither do any of the people who come into GW threads to moan about how GW has "wrecked X from days of yore!".

It cuts both ways.

They are relevant to the topic because they are addressing the topic while your latest post is trolling who posts here... so yeah I think the blade is sharper on your side.
But carry on dont let this stop you.

At this point as a collector I have 2 chances, go on a buying spree to get the kits I need to complete my armies or do nothing and wait and see... Im really trying not to close this door but GW is making it really hard for me.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I can understand a reluctance to commit to a new army when they may end up looking off scale, or, worse, superseded by awesomer sculpts.

The funny part is that when I mentioned such a thing as being frustrating after I bought up a Corregidor force for Infinity(a year prior to Icestorm's release and the jacking up of the scale), people jumped down my throat pretty hard as "just being nitpicky"...

In any case, I'm actually impressed by the Eternals(the free model with White Dwarf is sitting on my painting desk with my Skitarii right now) and the reaction that AoS has gotten locally. Quite a few people who never wanted to get into Fantasy because of the costs associated are now looking at AoS as a chance to do so.

size comparisons

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
So no more orcs and goblins.

Whelp, there goes my plans to buy a spider rider army.

When it comes to being a massive, depressing disappointment, GW never disappoints.

Orcs and Goblins are still there...

For now...

Talys wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
You know, I think the Fantasy purchasing lull might go on for a while, outside of the Sigmarines and their Khornate pals. Purchasing old armies now is a risky venture, what with the risk that they won't exist in any meaningful way in AOS and will possibly be out-of-size. In fact, I'm wondering if we're going to experience a "second burn" of customers who buy previous models (ie. "I always wanted to do a small Wood self army!") and find, in six months, that their stuff doesn't really fit. I feel like this could be a really big problem.

The problem that GW had was that there weren't people saying, "I always wanted to do a small Wood Elf army!". Or at least, not enough to matter.

Perhaps, but I think people who buy in to old armies, and then find them outclassed and out-sized are going to be quite upset. And that will be the second big twist GW made on its existing customers, which I think will begin to establish a perception of GW as a company that will pull the rug out from under players for sales.

Bottle wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I don't think the updated look will be all that different. We've already seen what the updated chaos are beginning to look like and it's not too different. I will go out on a limb and say all the "End Times" models also have the new look of their faction. Again not that different.

Something more akin to the Tyranid aesthetic updates firstly in 3rd and then again in 4th edition 40k.

The aesthetics might not be that different, but the size looks significantly bigger. That is honestly the much bigger problem.

This has happened before in Warhammer's history. Chaos Warriors of 8th are bigger than the original plastic kit of 5th. Night goblins went in the other direction by getting smaller.

I don't it's going to be too much of a problem.

Plus armies are going to be under 50 models now too, so they are projects you'll be able to finish without the look getting updated half way through.

This isn't just the Chaos Warriors though, this is the entire game changing.

I see all the scale issues that plague Corvus Beli, and I think the problem will be much worse for GW.

EDIT: thanks for the shots, krazy. You got any of the Mauraders?

And as Kan said, the scale issues with Infinifty are quite palpable.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I can understand a reluctance to commit to a new army when they may end up looking off scale, or, worse, superseded by awesomer sculpts.

The funny part is that when I mentioned such a thing as being frustrating after I bought up a Corregidor force for Infinity(a year prior to Icestorm's release and the jacking up of the scale), people jumped down my throat pretty hard as "just being nitpicky"...

In any case, I'm actually impressed by the Eternals(the free model with White Dwarf is sitting on my painting desk with my Skitarii right now) and the reaction that AoS has gotten locally. Quite a few people who never wanted to get into Fantasy because of the costs associated are now looking at AoS as a chance to do so.

Did you pick up the models knowing there were new models in the pipeline? Otherwise it isn't the same thing, that's just a case of bad timing on your part.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Did you pick up the models knowing there were new models in the pipeline? Otherwise it isn't the same thing, that's just a case of bad timing on your part.

I picked up Corregidor knowing that they were redesigning the range, and bought NOTHING from the "previous" range. The faction boxes I bought? They were being flogged as "the start of the newly designed range".

I had no reason to expect that the scale issues which happened would, which can be laid pretty squarely at the feet of them getting in a tizzy with CAD and nobody stopping to do any kind of scale tests in the process.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
size comparisons

I know we've seen them before, but God those are awful. They're blocky, the anatomy looks off and he doesn't half stand uncomfortably. There are so many better models available. Some quite bulky, heavily armoured ones that don't look unnatural.

Part of the reason for the scale change is simply because its doable now.

You guys seem to ignore the fact that every few editions models get less squat and more "limbsy" and realistically proportioned. The main reason the pre-AOS edition Chaos Warriors look the way they do is simply because that's the easiest method to produce them given the technology and plastic they had at the time with as few errors as possible.

As technology gets better, we're seeing less "3rd Edition Eldar" and more Sigmarite style figures where their arms and limbs are fully sized and posed instead of stuck to their chests or them having no necks.

 zedmeister wrote:




I know we've seen them before, but God those are awful. They're blocky, the anatomy looks off and he doesn't half stand uncomfortably. There are so many better models available. Some quite bulky, heavily armoured ones that don't look unnatural.

That's because they aren't supposed to look natural, they are supposed to look like spacemarines... Sadly.

I'm usually scornful of GW, especially regarding their prices and poor value for money but I noticed something when I was looking at the new Terminator Genysis wargame starter set.

Age of Sigmar
£75, 47 miniatures.


Terminator Genysis
£70, 32 miniatures.


Age of Sigmar must be the best value for money set GW's done in a long time.

Yeah, Az is still pecivering with RTB01 Space Marines because GW ruined 40k with new bigger sculpts.