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lol

too optomistic Vitki
anyhoo quickly back on topic ...

Flashman, the army books are £17.50 now so Jimmy needs another fiver!

MajorTom11 wrote:I'm very late to comment on the models I realize, but WOW. Universally gorgeous, the vast majority of GW plastics coming out lately are showpiece worthy sculpts, from foot soldier to MC... makes you wonder what kind of stuff they will be releasing 10 years from now!

Minotaurs?

Never use absolutes.

MajorTom11 wrote:I'm very late to comment on the models I realize, but WOW. Universally gorgeous, the vast majority of GW plastics coming out lately are showpiece worthy sculpts, from foot soldier to MC... makes you wonder what kind of stuff they will be releasing 10 years from now!

It also makes you wonder how high their prices will be.

vitki wrote:Dark Eldar?





Sorry, I had to go there.

I've got my eye on you...




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Laughing Man wrote:
Never use absolutes.

Also, the minotaurs are fine. People need to take a chill pill on those, and then paint them without using fleshtones.

Yeah... mis-wrote there, I meant this particular box is universally gorgeous... for every San.Guard and IoB there are Minotaurs and Poombagores lol

I maintain that the minotaurs really aren't bad, they only look crap with tallarn flesh on them.

Flashman wrote:

Le Grognard wrote:Wow. Soundls like they threw in some pretty models and a rule book and said, "here it is, if you want to know more, buy more stuff." Not surprising.

Bear in mind folks that mini rulebook includes the scenario section too. As far as I can tell, the only thing missing is the rules for the models themselves. If they want it to be a true starter set, there should be at least a basic army list for each force with brief rules for each unit. This wouldn't stop you buying the army book as any Skaven Warlord worth his warpstone wants some of the crazy stuff too (Abominations, Doomwheels etc) together with the rules. This omission is a bit slack IMO and prevents it from being a pick up and play set.

Parent "There you go little Jimmy, everything you need to play the crazy wargame you've been badgering me about."
GW Employee "Um... well actually, you're going to need to spend another £30 on these two army books otherwise you've just spent £60 for nothing."

... and the painting compendium for X£.

And with scenarios we mean "first steps to learn the rules" scenarios as in the current starter booklet. The new "read this first" booklet is just a big RTFM-sign, so the box is a nice two-gamer-batallion, but not a starter, as you have to read the same 200 pages as in the BRB with no assistance from GW. Lucky, if you have a GW store or FLGS who introduces you to the game. Bad luck if you don't. The you have the plug-and-read-200-pages-and-100pagearmybook-and-play version. No doubt the rest of the box is great, but it doesn't help people to start playing Warhammer.

Is it just me, or is it that GW figured out that a good chunk of sales for the last stater kits were coming from vets, and in typical fashion, tried to go in two directions at once without really getting very far in either?

Dunno if I would be that cynical Ktulhut

There is the danger that a lot more kids who get the set for chrimbo will get fed up very quickly if they are struggling to have an enjoyable game because there are no step by step scenarios to help learn the ropes.

That way there will be potentially fewer sales, post starter set.

ok maybe I am being cynical too

It's very easy to be cynical with GW.

Ktulhut wrote:Is it just me, or is it that GW figured out that a good chunk of sales for the last stater kits were coming from vets, and in typical fashion, tried to go in two directions at once without really getting very far in either?

Say, wait a minute...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Dunno if I would be that cynical Ktulhut

There is the danger that a lot more kids who get the set for chrimbo will get fed up very quickly if they are struggling to have an enjoyable game because there are no step by step scenarios to help learn the ropes.

That way there will be potentially fewer sales, post starter set.

ok maybe I am being cynical too

No, no I don't think so.

You're both probably right, though I really do think Ktulhut's hit on something here...

$99 has made that a meh for me. I only wanted a couple of mini's out of it. I will just pick up from eBay over the next few weeks when everyone gluts the market.

fullheadofhair wrote:$99 has made that a meh for me. I only wanted a couple of mini's out of it. I will just pick up from eBay over the next few weeks when everyone gluts the market.

What he said.

I was planning on ordering a pair of the sets, but that nice $25 price hike over skull pass definately changed my mind.

Ordered one set, getting skaven bits out of 2 others - 25% off at darksphere was too good to miss, thanks all for the links!

This also means me, not my hubby, gets control of the doesn't-break-your-back rulebook, which is key

Anyone selling off the rule books yet please?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Anyone selling off the rule books yet please?

Have I lost my mind? That box isn't released yet!

Scottywan82 wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Anyone selling off the rule books yet please?

Have I lost my mind? That box isn't released yet!

No, you haven't.

It just went on PRE-ORDER yesterday, right?

And for most of use, eBay-ing the minis we want after release will be the way to go.

We'll have to wait until the enthusiasm/hysteria dies down though as initially I'm betting the minis will go for 'too much' and be overbid.

But eventually, the Griffin will be mine!!!

Yup you are one crazy gibbon on a stick of dynamite dude!

My bad Scotty should have phrased it differently. Was anticipating people having fututre spare copies.

And hoping to avoid the enevitable ebay feeding frenzy

I've pre-ordered my set!

Yet to arrange a swap with someone but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

On the subject of the price, it's higher than skull pass was (i think) but i kinda expected it to be £60, especially if you split the cost between you and someone else. You paid £30 and you get a griffon for starters, that would normally be around that price, and probably in metal!

The thing that annoys me is that i won't, legally, get to use that griffon in non-island of blood games. You can only have a max of 25% lords, and the very base price for a prince on griffon is 350pts, meaning i'll have to take my HE up to 1400 at least before i can use it. And that's not adding in the prices of magic weapons etc.... Same goes for the fact that only a small proportion of the HE part is core. So i'll probably have to grab a HE battilion as well, poor wallet If you look at it that way, players who have bought the set to start a skaven army have a much better deal.

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Le Grognard wrote:Wow. Soundls like they threw in some pretty models and a rule book and said, "here it is, if you want to know more, buy more stuff." Not surprising.

Bear in mind folks that mini rulebook includes the scenario section too. As far as I can tell, the only thing missing is the rules for the models themselves. If they want it to be a true starter set, there should be at least a basic army list for each force with brief rules for each unit. This wouldn't stop you buying the army book as any Skaven Warlord worth his warpstone wants some of the crazy stuff too (Abominations, Doomwheels etc) together with the rules. This omission is a bit slack IMO and prevents it from being a pick up and play set.

Parent "There you go little Jimmy, everything you need to play the crazy wargame you've been badgering me about."
GW Employee "Um... well actually, you're going to need to spend another £30 on these two army books otherwise you've just spent £60 for nothing."

... and the painting compendium for X£.

And with scenarios we mean "first steps to learn the rules" scenarios as in the current starter booklet. The new "read this first" booklet is just a big RTFM-sign, so the box is a nice two-gamer-batallion, but not a starter, as you have to read the same 200 pages as in the BRB with no assistance from GW. Lucky, if you have a GW store or FLGS who introduces you to the game. Bad luck if you don't. The you have the plug-and-read-200-pages-and-100pagearmybook-and-play version. No doubt the rest of the box is great, but it doesn't help people to start playing Warhammer.

Aww bless. They think they know what they're on about!

The Island of Blood is billed and promoted as the introductory gateway to the Hobby, NOT the be all and end all. Done correctly (and not everyone will, but that is the fault of the individual not the whole) you have a new Hobbyists very aware of what is involved.

And time for a secret.....Parents actually LOVE this hobby, and all the free activities their kids can attend, and are more than happy to shell out for new bits and bobs, safe in the knowledge that the Staff are there to advise their kid on what they need, to make sure they buy stuff that's useful. Like a second tactical squad, instead of the Landraider.

But of course, I merely have first hand experience. Your opinionating based on third or worse hand experience clearly outweights my own.

How about we don't try to start fights based on whose opinion is more valuable, and stick to discussing the game instead of making digs at each other.

Having fought the urge to jump into WHFB so far, I can't wait for this set to be released. My friend wants the High Elves, so I get to be the skaven. Of course, I'm still trying to get him to buy the rulebook now so I can keep the copy that comes with the box.

Lol, good luck, that things the same price as the Island of Blood isn't it? You might as well buy one each and trade the minis...

I post this here, as there is no current Skaven thread and it seems to be a September release as well:

Scryer in the Darkness wrote:So, we've been getting all excited about Island of Blood as well as chatting about October's High Elves, but how about some Skaven info... they're coming too y'know.

Well, the first lot of four blisters (the currently undefined ones) will be hitting in the second release slot for September and comprise that bitz pack that everybody's gonna love (well at least I think it will be greatly appreciated by many) and the other three, well, let's just say they are three old friends who you will want to give a big ol' hug when you see them... or is it them that will be doing the hugging?

Which is a bit odd, as they are not featured on the GW release poster for September. ANother one from today:

GodlessM wrote:Got a glimpse at the finished HPA yesterday. What a big model, and very grotesque in my opinion.

If something more concrete is known, I will start a new thread.

Tim the Biovore wrote:Gonna go for two boxes from Maelstorm. From $165Oz for 1, to $186Oz for 2 on Maelstrom.

Shipped to Australia
2 from Maelstrom is £108
2 from Wayland is £104

Just saying.

The Three Old Friends are the old metal Rat Ogres, with the blades and claws and bandages and that.

From thewarstore.com:

The time has come for the new Games Workshop starter set release! The Island of Blood will offer new players a start up set with two armies included and enough to play a game right out the box! For those of us that are veterans of the game, it's a great way to save some dough while starting a new army or bolstering your forces! At our standard 20% off discount your sure to save even more money.

If you buy two or more Island of Blood's and mention that you read this Newsletter we will ship your order FREE OF CHARGE! This offer last until next monday, August 23rd.

I opened the box last night and was very disappointed that much is missing compared to Skull pass. There are no character profile sheets or scenarios which is a little annoying especially when the last half of the read me first book is more and add to buy more stuff. There are basic character unit profiles in the back but no special rules, you have to have the army books to play bottom line. Also, no terrain?! I hope it is okay to post this here but if you want the army books to read without buying go to scribd.com/

That's right. Who could possibly object to web based thievery? Oh yeah! Silly me!