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Hmm, who sculpted which minis? I read a comment from Koni (Carlos Morales) the Production Chief, that CB was currently using a mix of traditional and 3d sculptors. There was a photo floating around of Jose Luis Roig doing some digital sculpting, and he does, or did, all the Pan-O (the Pan-O mechanic is a selfie...)

while the new concept of the moraat is good, the quality is bad.
Most of the stuf that came out since the New 3D era is bad in my opinion, except TAG and other mech ofc,
i had, for exemple, bought both wildcat and bolt; and wildcat are better in all critera, better proportion, better quality of sculpt

CB started with 3D sculpt to make more TAG because old TAG techniques were to dificult/costly to make

i know that most people dont care about quality because its still better than other mini company (GW included) but some are.
in official french forum we are far from all being happy by those changes. And i'm realy suprised that most of the people here seems to be ok with it.

EDIT: I think that the ikadron/imetron is the first infinity mini made with those new 3D modeling tech

 Sangarn wrote:
while the new concept of the moraat is good, the quality is bad.
Most of the stuf that came out since the New 3D era is bad in my opinion, except TAG and other mech ofc,
i had, for exemple, bought both wildcat and bolt; and wildcat are better in all critera, better proportion, better quality of sculpt

CB started with 3D sculpt to make more TAG because old TAG techniques were to dificult/costly to make

i know that most people dont care about quality because its still better than other mini company (GW included) but some are.
in official french forum we are far from all being happy by those changes. And i'm realy suprised that most of the people here seems to be ok with it.

EDIT: I think that the ikadron/imetron is the first infinity mini made with those new 3D modeling tech

Not agree at all with the statement that 3D modelling means bad quality. Not agree at all.

Most of all 3D models from CB have been made by Fausto Gutierrez (Yedharo Models) and also Javier Unrena.

so... 3D models in INFINITY:

O-Yoroi Kidobutai
Raicho
Jotums
Dragao
Geckos
Anaconda
Scarface & Scarface Joe Turner Bootleg Miniature
Iguana & Iguana Operator
Ikadron Batroids & Imetron
Mulebots
YaopuPanguling
Yaoxie Rui Shi & Lu Duan
Penthesilea
Tohaa Chaksas Auxiliars & Servants
Thrasymedes, Lupe Balboa and Marine Engineering Officer from DireFoes: Fleeting Alliance.
Yuriko Oda
Hazmat
Phoenix
Machaon
Raiden Seibutai
ITS Authorized Bounty Hunter
Konstantinos
All the new Morats: Vanguard, Daturazi, Oznat, Sogarat & Raktorak
Neoterra Bolts
New Sun Tze
New Tarik Mansuri
& the New Kum Motorized Troops

I know a few 3D Sculptors and they are sick of the idea that people has about 3D sculpting. It's similar to using photoshop in the 90's for coloring comic books. It is a TOOL, and it is as good as the artists who use it.

If people cannot distinguish a CB 3D miniature from a traditional sculpted miniature, then, CB is doing their 3D stuff correctly.

Exactly!
There are some damn fine models on that list, and comparing them to some of the older ones I've picked up the only difference I have noticed is that the older ones don't go together as well and require more cleaning.

Ok, here we have 2 similar models.
One is made using 3D sculpting and the other one is traditional sculpting.
I want you to tell me wich one is traditonal and wich one is 3D. And if you can't tell, then CB is doing their job right.

1.- Stephen Rao



2.- Kirpal Singh

Nope. If I had to guess I'd say Singh, but then I'm just guessing.

I'd say Rao is the 3D sculpt, but it's still a damn fine model.

 BobbaFett wrote:

so... 3D models in INFINITY:

Tohaa Chaksas Auxiliars & Servants

I love these guys, and had no idea they were digitally sculpted.

3D sculpting is a tool, just like the traditional sculpting tools, the artist behind the tools is what makes a great model or not.

 motyak wrote:
Nope. If I had to guess I'd say Singh, but then I'm just guessing.

I would guess Rao, the sculpt itself seems slightly less 'organic'. But, that is from the perspective of someone who doesn't really know much about the sculpting processes.

They are both bloody nice miniatures though.

I got some nice pictures of some of the (new?) Bandau terrain by the way at Salute, it was very nice! Will post some pics later.

 BobbaFett wrote:
Ok, here we have 2 similar models.
One is made using 3D sculpting and the other one is traditional sculpting.
I want you to tell me wich one is traditonal and wich one is 3D. And if you can't tell, then CB is doing their job right.

Anything painted by giraldez will look good ...

I'm a far worst painter than Giraldez but I can see the diference. For exemple I'm doing a conversion today using the pilote of the anaconda (3D sculpt) and part of the bootleg stuf, well bootleg stuf is quality sculpt not 3D sculpt rounded edge loss of sharpness etc ..
3D sculpt is not bad just less good than traditionnal sculpt
Like i said most people dont care about the quality because they play the game and spend max 3 hours to paint a mini, i'm a painter so I see the diference.

but you cant say 3D sculpt = traditionnal sclupt

I think you can, but then that's the great thing about opinions!

Also, please feel free to start a thread on this subject down in the INFINITY sub-forum as it is a bit off topic here.

Thanks!

 BobbaFett wrote:
...And the guys from Beasts of War are going to be there. I mean... they are obviously going to rveal one of the following news:

1) Acheron Falls Book.
2) Infinity RPG book.
3) Aristeia Sports/Game.
4) Infinity 3rd Edition Book.
5) Infinity Videogame.
6) Infinity 15mm. Massive Battle game.
7) Infinity Tabletop Game
8) Infinity Movie... LOL

Are they? Really? Wow that's awesome, I like their videos and having a quality video of the interesting stuff of the con would be great.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Oops. I had just been looking at this P&M blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/310208.page Was thinking Santa Claus. No ocurrirá otra vez. se lo aseguro. And, your screen name, Basque?

Haha yes, it's Basque. I don't speak Basque actually, but part of my descent is Basque. I wanted a nickname related to a raid so... I chose that. I probably should have chosen anything shorter. Parece que hablas español muy bien

 BobbaFett wrote:
Most of all 3D models from CB have been made by Fausto Gutierrez (Yedharo Models) and also Javier Unrena.

The last name is Javier Ureña. I realize I'm being a bit of a grammar nazi in my latest posts and I'm sorry about that, but if someone is curious to google him to see his work, having the name right would make it easier

Google will find him anyway as it can cope with missing accents. Well worth the look, by the way.

 Sangarn wrote:
but you cant say 3D sculpt = traditionnal sclupt

We are agree to disagree.

3D Sculpting is a tool. Your statement is basically saying that a bad traditional sculpt will be better than an average 3D sculpt and I say it depends on the artist.
The fact that there are lots of bad 3d sculpts out there doesn`t mean that tool is not effective for modelling. That is like saying that photoshop looks too digital back in the 90s. No one would use that argument today.... why? because we've seen lots of stuff done by lots of talented people.

We have been through this before... People saying that digital cameras are worse than photochemical, people saying that a Polaroid SX70 camera is better than a nowadays Nikon 5200... come on! it's just snobby stuff.

I respect traditional sculptors, because of the huge technical skills that traditional sculpt require... but I also have eyes to see that a 3D equally talented artist deserves the same credit for making the same quality sculpting.

I saw a talk the main Dropzone Commander guy was doing about his 3D digital sculpting, walking through how he did it and stuff.

I work in IT, but don't have an artistic bone in my body and I've got to say, god damn that was some scary awesomely difficult stuff. - And that was just a dropship he was doing, not a person.

Digital sculpting really is a darn impressive talent just as much as anything else arty.

Rao is a 3d sculpt, Singh is traditional. Note the weapon size differences. Both are very good minis. If in doubt, look at the metal band that connects the feet. Under strong light at the right angle, you should see the resolution lines of the 3d printing process.



Add the Barid and Treitak Anyat (but not Angus or Bipandra) and the VIP civvie to the 3d list.

@Erasoketa... Erasoka =Attack, Erasoketa = little attack? Yes, Spanish is a useful language to know. And, Grammar Nazi*? So, you're in the Real Academia Española eh?

And before Big A hits me with the Ban Hammer for going OT... We are supposed to get word on these new 55mm bases soon, next week according to Koni. I suspect it in the same category as the Medikit/Doctor combo, or the drop bear mine shooter weapon, ie. a preview of something in the upcoming edition.

*Grammar Hammer is the better term, IMHO.

OK.

Has everyone had their say?

 Alpharius wrote:
I think you can, but then that's the great thing about opinions!

Also, please feel free to start a thread on this subject down in the INFINITY sub-forum as it is a bit off topic here.

Thanks!

Probably not, but AGAIN, take it somewhere else.

Thanks!

Someone was saying about the replacement of the old Kum bikers, and one pose in particular. Remembered this comic strip from the Infinity forums !

Miniature Market Deal of the day

Dire Foes 2 $15 (RRP $38)

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/cvb282003-0443.html

Must resist impulse buy don't have the moneys!

Just in time for the Game of Thrones series return.

Edit: Also sold out.

 Enigma Crisis wrote:
Must resist impulse buy don't have the moneys!

Resistance is futile: http://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures.html

New Morat Vanguard options.

And I was just saying to my buddy last night that if the next CA release was more Morats I was done for as far as resisting starting the faction...

Alas, poor wallet I knew you well.

Those do look fairly awesome.

Amazing. I'll be getting one of those sooner or later.

YES
I have been waiting for new morats with weapon options for what feels like forever (although is realy probably only like 3 months).

The Morats redesign has turned out to be more than mere fantastic, with each release.

The Morat re-launch is a stunning success. They look like quite the collection of professional killers.

Now, Two blisters (Druze Spitfire and Clipsos sniper?) and the huge news to go.