What are you reading right now.

**Jezrael**

spolier codes much?

**KiMonarrez**

Oh come on. That was a public service. If they actually read the book, they'll thank me for trying to spare them. They will.

**malfred**

Do people really feel spoiled?

If the outcome to a novel or film is any good, walking into
it knowing what it is should still be satisfying.

**Sandro**

Many days ago I started Ninth Wizard's Rule. It's a super serial! There are rumours, that will be a screen version, oh, it will be nice.

**stonefox**

malfred wrote:Do people really feel spoiled?

If the outcome to a novel or film is any good, walking into
it knowing what it is should still be satisfying.

Well, for something like HP Lovecraft where the irony or twist is central to the story, yes. I was spoiled and still read All Quiet on the Western Front and other books where the theme was more important than the ending and it doesn't diminish the book at all.

**malfred**

But if the ironic twist is done well, then it's not just a
one-trick device. A well set-up twist will have interesting
clues throughout the piece. If the only reason to read a
book or watch a film is to have the author completely
surprise you with some "God in the Machine" then it's
probably not a very good story anyway.

**Jezrael**

I personally don' t care. I was just speaklin on the behalf of all those who have ever reamed me for giving away to much information.

**stonefox**

malfred wrote:But if the ironic twist is done well, then it's not just a
one-trick device. A well set-up twist will have interesting
clues throughout the piece. If the only reason to read a
book or watch a film is to have the author completely
surprise you with some "God in the Machine" then it's
probably not a very good story anyway.

Yes, it's grounds for re-reading it, and I love to do that, but I happen to want to be surprised the first time around. Anticipation is my favorite emotion. Whether it's waiting for a package, sexual tension, or reading a book, I love not knowing when it'll happen.

**malfred**

Guess I'm weird. I look at movie spoilers all the time, and
then decide if I care enough to see the movie.

**stonefox**

Guess I'm weird

You wear a murse. :-P

**malfred**

stonefox wrote:

Guess I'm weird

You wear a murse. :-P

So does Jack Bauer:

**Jazz is for Losers**

I recently read Contract by Si SPurrier, it was crap. I'm now reading Moving Pictures by Pratchett, it's ok so far.

**Jazz is for Losers**

KiMonarrez wrote:Just finished Fulgrim, Lego. I have to agree with the prevailing opinion. It was teh Suk. McNeil couldn't ever decide upon the point of view the story was told from. 1st person, 2nd and 3rd sometimes in the SAME paragraph. So 1 dimensional on all the characters. And really. Apparently smelling salts is all it takes to corrupt Fulgrim. At least Horus almost died before going over.

And I have to disagree SLIGHTLY with the assesment of "Descent of Angels." If you happen to be a fan of the Dark Angels, it's a good book to explain exactly what led up to their civil war. It's more a parallel story arc to the Horus Heresy, and tells their side story. Because, really. The Dark Angels didn't play much part in the Heresy except to be coming near Terra with the Wolves, pre-empting Horus to drop his shields, blah blah blah...

Then the meat of their side story of the Horus Heresy takes off. If you aren't a fan, then you can skip it. If you ARE a fan, it's a decent read.

Fulgrim sucked though. I'll give you the readers digest version, to save you the torture. Fulgrim invades the Laer, kills them all, enters their temple, wiffs the jiff of slaanesh, takes the sword, hears the voices in his head, talks to eldrad, fights some eldar, tries to sway Ferrus, sneak attacks the Iron Hands fleet, goes to Istvaan V, kills Ferrus while decimating the Raven Guard and Salamanders, then get's possessed by a daemon. The end.

Have I ever expressed how much I hate Graham McNeil? It's quite irrational really. I hate him more than that guy in WW2 that killed those Jews. I hate him so much.

Seriously though, the guy can't write a decent story to save his life.

**Jazz is for Losers**

Moving Pics was quite good. Reccomended by none other than David Pringle too.

**malfred**

What does Graham McNeill do wrong, Jazz?

**Jazz is for Losers**

Mainly his horribly clunky prose. He needs at least to buy a thesarus.

**Jazz is for Losers**

Just started Omnibus: Dagon and Other Macabre Tales No. 2 by H.P Lovecraft.

**blinky**

Feet of Clay by Terry Pratchett.

**Jezrael**

malfred wrote:But if the ironic twist is done well, then it's not just a
one-trick device. A well set-up twist will have interesting
clues throughout the piece. If the only reason to read a
book or watch a film is to have the author completely
surprise you with some "God in the Machine" then it's
probably not a very good story anyway.

I just saw the village for the first time. I had never watched it because I was told the twist before it came to town. But it deffinently was a movie that would be proof for your point. I was totally drawn into the suspence even though I knew the secret.

Back on topic... I am just now getting to read Eisenstein.

**syr8766**

Read Chabon's "Wonder Boys". Does he every write anything perky?

I've got a collection of Martin Buber's essays on my nightstand, but I've also been indulging my Osprey/crack habit. Armored trains baby!

**malfred**

I want to read Wonder Boys. How is it different from the film?

I'm going to go through Eisenhorn and Gaunt trilogies again.
If only because I was at Borders and didn't know what to
buy.

**VermGho5t**

The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway. I picked this up with an anthology of his short stories for an english 1b class I wrote a paper on about him last semester. It's turnign out to be a good book. I'm at the bullfight where Romero is beaten up, by Cohn, but trying to uphold his own honor by killing his bulls, while Bret Ashley, Bill, and Jake watch.

**malfred**

That book was a downer to read. I guess many books are,
or else we'd not be emotionally invested.

**syr8766**

Never saw the film. I'm guessing that it's probably less zany and morbid, but I'm only guessing.

**VermGho5t**

Yeah, probably the parts of it I liked the best were the trout fishing with Bill in Bayonne, and when Jake was in San Sebastian by himself. It's weird, as if when the characters are all together the pace of life is frenetic, and until they are separated from one another, that is the only time where things become peaceful.

Actually, I just found a very old copy of Rubiyat of Omar Khayyam from my grandfather's house. Going to try and finish it before Fulgrim.

Oh vell, I'm going to pick up the Eisenhorn Omnibus today but I need to finish Fulgrim.