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wait... arent the guardsmen supposed to be the 2nd biggest right after grotz???

Got something new for you. If you, like me, have ever wondered how titans compare to other humongous mecha, look no further.

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As always, this image is merely a well-informed estimate. Sizes will differ depending on stance, and where you measure from.
Metal Gear RAY was not included because it's very hard to pin down an exact height for the thing. Suffice it to say, it's about the same size as REX/Warhound.

Also, if there's anything else you'd like to see compared to titans, let me know.


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I've also uploaded all the images in the thread to the Gallery as well, if that's more convenient for anybody.

bigdaddy wrote:]

Hi, very interesting work, I think your are in right way.

I’m currently working on epic class vehicle (take baneblade,reaver and warhound epic/40k as reference), but I have much hesitation concerning the issue of scale conversion. I found the old rule-of-thumb used by the former US Forgeworld team (Tim Dupertuis and Mike Biasi). They applied a multiplicative factor of 5.25 ; although this would result, now, in a slight decrease in scale compared to the current forgeworld . My idea was using the current GW Baneblade (reaver and warhound too) as a reference for calculate new factor.
That would give me a factor of roughly 6.75 : thus the big Epic vehicle would be of very playable size.

Forgeworld? OUCH! The company was (and still is) Armorcast, even if I no longer own it.

Below is the original article from Inquisitor #2 (published late in 1991). It follows the basic reasoning Mike Biasi and I used to figure out what scale to use for building the resin Titans and has some interesting observations on 40K scale. When GW/Forge World came out with their Baneblade, then Warhound and Reaver, they definitely upscaled the new models to a larger scale than the Armorcast models, larger than they could possibly justify from the Epic models.

Using the calculations below, an Emperor class Titan comes out to about about 39". When Mike built his Emperor Titan he made it just a bit taller at 42".

Dreadnote's size chart looks just fine to me, although I might bump the Emperor up a bit, not that anyone is going to notice or care about the exact size when you plunk it down on the gaming table.

It is pretty funny to see the exact same discussions regarding the sizes of Titans in artwork compared to their actual Epic or 40K size and GW's lack of consistent scale nearly 20 years after we had our original discussions of the same subject.

Play on,

Tim



SO YOU WANT TO BUILD A TITAN: SCALE IN WARHAMMER 40,000
Just suppose we wanted to build a Warlord Titan in full 40K scale instead of Epic scale. How tall would we make it? 10 inches? 15 inches? 20 inches? larger?

The exact scale of both WH 40K and Epic scale figures and equipment is somewhat inconsistant. 40K figures combine 1/35th scale heads and 1/48th scale limbs on 1/60th scale bodies using artistic license to exaggerate for effect, giving us the artfully exaggerated figures we all know and love. The scales in Titanicus run from about 1/250 for vehicles to about 1/350 for Titans giving an average of 1/300, about the same scale as GHQ MicroArmor.

So what scale shall we make our Titan? The Adeptes Titanicus rulebook says Warlord class Titans stand 60 to 80 feet tall. Where does this 80 feet measure to? top of the carapace? top of the carapace mounted weapons? Assuming that 80 feet is the maximum height we will assume that the 80 feet measures to the top of the carapace mounted weapons. A Warlord measures about 66mm to the top of its carapace mounted weapons. 80 divided by 66 is about 1.2 giving a scale for Epic Titans of 1mm =1.2 feet (Titans only, not vehicles). Now let’s see if we can figure out a scale for a Warlord.

The 40K ground scale of 1”= 2 Meters won’t work because it is much foreshortened to keep the shooting ranges workable on an average tabletop. This scale is a little smaller than HO model railroad scale (1/87), making our 80 foot Titan about 11” tall, obviously much too small.
Next we try the vehicle scale. The Rhino is essentially a modern U.S. M113 armored personnel carrier, running possibly a little larger because of the hull-high track configuration. The Rhino scales out to very close to 1/48 scale (1/4” = 1’-0”), a typical scale for model aircraft and some model vehicles. Our 80 foot Titan in 1/48th scale is 20” tall with a carapace 14” wide--perhaps a little too large. A 6’ human figure in 1 /48th scale would be 1 1/2” high, considerably taller than a Marine figure in Warhammer 40K.

Next we try scaling to a Marine figure. Assuming a Marine to be 6’-3” tall (out of his power armor) we get a scale of 1/60, making our Titan approximately 16 inches tall. This looks pretty good and is my suggestion for a Titan scale. I realize that some of the Titanicus artwork seems to indicate that Titans are much larger than this, appearing in some drawings to be at least 2-300 feet high, but I think that this is artistic license or artists not knowing exactly how big Titans are.

In 1/60th scale, 1 inch equals 5’-0”, giving the following heights for various Titans. To convert Titans from Epic to 40K scale, multiply the Epic measurement times 6.1. For vehicles multiply the Epic measurement by 5.25.
Another way to do this is to measure the Titan part in millimeters, multiply by 1.2 to get the actual measurement in feet, then divide by 5 to get the measurement in inches for 40K.

Warlord Top of carapace weapon 16”
Carapace 13”
Reaver Top of carapace weapon 13”
Carapace 11”
Warhound Carapace 9 1/8”
Eldar Phantom Head 17 1/4”
Fins 22 1/4”
Eldar Knights Top of head 7 1/2 - 9”
(standing)
Gargant Top of head 13 1/2”
Stomper Top of head 6”

Sixteen inches may not seem very big, but check out the picture of Mike Biasi’s 40K scale Reaver, (built to 1/60th scale, 13” overall height) on the cover of Inquisitor #2.

Nice chart. It made me wonder though exactly what height a knight paladin would be to make it fit?

No idea, frankly. The only time I've even seen knights in official publications was in that one horus heresy novel, so I've nothing to base a size off. However, the few knight models I've seen by fans tend to be around the 8" range (IIRC).

Thanks. Was considering doing a defiler kitbash to make one marshaling an army of tech-guard or genswicks. 8" seems decent for it. Just didn't want to end up making it and it turns out looking too lanky.

I've been thinking about titan scales for a while. I really do think that a lot of people make their titans a little too large. If we assume that structure points are a liniar scale for volume, then an Imperator titan would only be equivelent to two Reaver titans, or four Baneblades.

Warlord titans use the same arm weapons as a reaver titan. If you can take a Reaver titan arm and have it look right on your scratch built Warlord, you are pretty much in the ballpark for scale.

We also have to consider playability here. I'd rather have a titan that is a little smaller than they should be as long as I can still put them in the car and drive to a game. Renting a moving truck to take my Imperator to a game simply isn't feasible.

Imperator titans also have a lot of their bulk and height in their towers on their back. If you wanted a more streamlined Imperator that looked like an overgrown Mk 3 Warlord, then it woudl be at least 6 inches shorter.

With all that in mind, I made both my Warlords to be ust under 20 inches tall, and my Imperator will come in at just under 30 inches tall.

The Dreadnote wrote:This, in my humble opinion, represents the "correct" size for 40k-scale titans.

Images were taken from the Apocalypse rulebook, the Emperor datasheet, Forge World, and my living room.
For titans without a known height (ie those that do not yet exist at this scale) height was determined by overlaying the warhounds provided in each image for comparison and adjusting the size until they matched up -
so in theory the warhound, warlord and emperor titans should be scaled properly to each other.
Taking the height of the warhound as about 10", or about 140 pixels, heights for the other two could be determined. Heights for the others were taken from the Forge World website.


This is, of course, only a rough guide, but I hope it might prove useful, or at least interesting.

For titans compared to real-life buildings, see this post.
For a comparison with Metal Gear, see this post.

my warlord is 26" high, 20" to its eyelevel... that makes sense to me!!

The Emperor class titans, Imperator and Warmonger stand at 6ft+ in 1:48 or warhammer scale.

I know this because i planned to build 1-2 of each but never got round to it(read as to expensive).

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