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Ritz wrote:Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me...

Necros wrote:

Ritz wrote:Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me...

10 years from now when you have 8 different armies you'll forget you ever said that

True dat bro I an into it for $10k and counting.

I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks!

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.

That's something I can understand.

BrookM wrote:That's something I can understand.

Ha! Very funny GW. "To discourage online discounting." Sure.

They don't want to sell this so someone for $900 (a discount) then that person turn around and parts it out for more money.

So the GW solution is sell it at no discount so everyone just buys from a discount retailer instead.

And it's also why barely anyone will actually buy this set.

I'm not sure what the big problem is with actually selling a lot of stuff for a bit of a discount and having people hawking stuff on eBay, as opposed to not selling much of anything because there is no discount.

I guess they sure showed those eBay sellers, though!

I think what they meant to say is you get the "pictured" army for that price - painted and assembled

I'm gonna buy this set and re-sell it on ebay at a discount just to show GW up!

I dont get it really..

Now I dont know the exact numbers for GWs profit from other retailers so Im assuming its around a 50% discount

If GW sells Model X on its website it gets 100% profit
If GW sells model X to a retail store it gets 50% profit

If GW sells Model X on its website at a 20% discount it gets 80% profit

and if GW sells model X at a 20% discount to a retailer who already gets a 50% discount then it gets 40% profit

So.. how I understand this is that GW would prefer NOT to discount this item to individuals so that they can keep a 100% profit.. instead of 80%. Therefore, GW should stop selling any items to retailers because its only a 50% profit..

I dont understand GWs logic on not providing a bulk discount.. Its not like plastic or pewter is a limited resource that they have to ration

Its true!!! we are on a pewter and Plastic shortage!!! GW is going to ask us to turn in our keyboard keys so they can make Imperial guard models for us.

Kirasu wrote:I dont get it really..

Now I dont know the exact numbers for GWs profit from other retailers so Im assuming its around a 50% discount

If GW sells Model X on its website it gets 100% profit
If GW sells model X to a retail store it gets 50% profit

If GW sells Model X on its website at a 20% discount it gets 80% profit

and if GW sells model X at a 20% discount to a retailer who already gets a 50% discount then it gets 40% profit

So.. how I understand this is that GW would prefer NOT to discount this item to individuals so that they can keep a 100% profit.. instead of 80%. Therefore, GW should stop selling any items to retailers because its only a 50% profit..

I dont understand GWs logic on not providing a bulk discount.. Its not like plastic or pewter is a limited resource that they have to ration

Retailers get 45% while there own employees get 50%, and even when you look at the prices then GW probably makes 100% of what they paid. The whole business is based on charging a premium.

But... the pretty box

Kronus VI wrote:But... the pretty box

There is no pretty box =/

nik wrote:I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks!

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.

I really don't understand GW's hatred of the secondary market. I mean, have you ever seen a car dealership say "I know you want both the Shelby GT500 and the Ford F-650, but corporate HQ says we can't give you a package deal/discount because they're concerned about you putting them on Ebay Motors." Maybe if GW products were cheaper (or we all weren't such crack-fiends for their stuff) people wouldn't be stepping over the corpses of their dead mothers to get 10% off.

Yet a normal retailer is a secondary market by its very nature.. GW doesnt get all the profit

Its all very absurd and I blame the british

A couple of things, if it's the Spear of Sicarius then why does it require 1/4 of the first company as well?
Why no devastator squads or at least the new siege dred?
Where is the company chaplain?
How are the dreds able to get out of a pod designed for marines, would this not be a good time to have brought out a plastic dred pod or even bundled two FW ones into the deal and only 7 plastic pods?

Are they so cheap that they can't even field all the real models for the "photo"? Take a close look and you'll see that some of the squads are duplicates of each other and the pods too no doubt.

cadbren wrote:A couple of things, if it's the Spear of Sicarius then why does it require 1/4 of the first company as well?
Why no devastator squads or at least the new siege dred?
Where is the company chaplain?
How are the dreds able to get out of a pod designed for marines, would this not be a good time to have brought out a plastic dred pod or even bundled two FW ones into the deal and only 7 plastic pods?

Are they so cheap that they can't even field all the real models for the "photo"? Take a close look and you'll see that some of the squads are duplicates of each other and the pods too no doubt.

Because GW doesnt want to tell you , the Spear of Sicarius is nothing other than trying to sell the over stocked left overs that no one have bought
since AOBR came out.

Now there's a believable explanation.

off topic, but luna, i gotta say i love that picture your have in your sig. FFX is awesome, and that scene in particulkar is one of the better ones i've seen in a video game.

on topic: I wonder if whomever is in charge of GW even thinks about anything they do. Maybe they realise they've got us all hooked and are just messin' with us for the fun of it.

Noble713 wrote:

nik wrote:I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks!

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.

I really don't understand GW's hatred of the secondary market. I mean, have you ever seen a car dealership say "I know you want both the Shelby GT500 and the Ford F-650, but corporate HQ says we can't give you a package deal/discount because they're concerned about you putting them on Ebay Motors." Maybe if GW products were cheaper (or we all weren't such crack-fiends for their stuff) people wouldn't be stepping over the corpses of their dead mothers to get 10% off.

I was talking about this last night and came to a logical conclusion.

GW marks up their product by a good 500%+ so when a retailer or employee buys it they are still making much more then they paid for. A box like this if discounted will only serve to make GW lose money becayse people we just get even more of a discount from online shops, so if they sell it at the exact value they will still sell them through employees and retailers and make just as much money off of it and if they manage to sell one at its price then its all gravy.

GW stopped giving you deals because they know the smart person will just seek out how to get that further discounted. Although oddly enough they have those terrian deals on their website so that is a little A.D.D. on their part.

if you do buy this, don't they ship to ur local GW for free anyway

Kirasu wrote:I dont get it really..

Now I dont know the exact numbers for GWs profit from other retailers so Im assuming its around a 50% discount

If GW sells Model X on its website it gets 100% profit
If GW sells model X to a retail store it gets 50% profit

If GW sells Model X on its website at a 20% discount it gets 80% profit

and if GW sells model X at a 20% discount to a retailer who already gets a 50% discount then it gets 40% profit

So.. how I understand this is that GW would prefer NOT to discount this item to individuals so that they can keep a 100% profit.. instead of 80%. Therefore, GW should stop selling any items to retailers because its only a 50% profit..

I dont understand GWs logic on not providing a bulk discount.. Its not like plastic or pewter is a limited resource that they have to ration

I think that is being very simplistic. Discounting can have a much larger direct effect on profit.

Take a hypothetical product X

price 100, cost 50, profit 50

now discount by 20%

price 80, cost 50 profit 30.

So a 20% discount resulted in a 40% loss of profit, not 20%.

Whilst I don't know the figures and profit margins of GW stuff, there is an interesting read here http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarseconomics.html on the possible net profit on landraiders. I dare say there is a lot of innacuracy in that, but taking that as an example.

Price $55 - net profit $6

discount 20% = price $44 = loss of $5.

A 20% discount on those figures would equate to bankruptcy.

Yeah I know it was simplistic .. and good article!

What I got from that is I need to make friends with a wholesaler... Either way, that boxset should be discounted just like every other boxset