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Mannahnin wrote:Possibly.

Albatross wrote:@ Mannahnin - It's not a crime though, is it? And it's not why people are so angry, let's face it. They're angry because PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO!!!


I already addressed whether it's a crime.

As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child. While there are undoubtedly some students who are capable and mature enough, professional and personal ethics normally mean you don't get into that situation and risk being the guy who's taking advantage of the kid. As the teacher you may believe the kid is mature, but you're inherently in a conflict of interest situation. If you find them sexually appealing, your ability to judge their ability to give informed consent is less reliable. It's a slight step up from a person who cares for the developmentally disabled sleeping with their clients. And while it may well not be actual pedophilia, it's still a bit close for comfort.


This is pretty close to the mark. In my case, I've seen the wreckage a teacher having an affair with a student leaves on families. The teacher was a control freak who ended up making the student's life a living hell. It's hard for me to drop that image with this guy.
   
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I hope the hammer drops hard on the guy.

As a teacher, you need to be a role model to the kids under your tutelage.
As a father, you need to be a role model to the kids under your roof.

He has utterly failed in both regards. I highly doubt this is your run of the mill relationship. Teenage girls aren't the wisest of individuals, and this is pretty common knowledge even when you're the same age. Fast forward to your 40's, you should have a good idea of how people of all ages work.

He's not in it for a complex and meaningful relationship, he's in it for sex and perhaps a feeling of dominance/superiority. There may be no hard evidence that he had sex with her while she was underage, but let's be realistic here, in all likelihood they did have sex, but neither of them will speak of it, and I'm sure finding out if sex took place is a bit harder than murder.

I hope that his life crumbles, she leaves him, and he dies utterly alone and penniless in the world, and only because of what he's doing to his kids. No child deserves this kind of experience with their father.

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What a lovely thing to wish upon someone. Stay classy, Necroshea.

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 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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Albatross wrote:What a lovely thing to wish upon someone. Stay classy, Necroshea.


Let me guess, you'd rather me send a get well card to the guy who traumatized and abandoned his children and wife?

I truly pity you.

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...urrrr... I dunno

Necroshea wrote:
Albatross wrote:What a lovely thing to wish upon someone. Stay classy, Necroshea.


Let me guess, you'd rather me send a get well card to the guy who traumatized and abandoned his children and wife?

I truly pity you.


Nope, but he's objective enough to realise that you want the complete and utter destruction of a man who is not really evil (I mean, let's face it, he's a manipulative douche with a probable predatory streak at absolute worst) and therefore does not actually deserve such a hideous fate.
If he's done something illegal, lock him up. If he's done something unprofessional, fire him - ah, but that's been done.
However, anything beyond that is less justice than it is a call for blood. And no, in this case, those two things are not one and the same.

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I concur. You can condemn the guy's actions without being too hateful and over the top about it. I think we do want to be careful about not confusing this with real pedophilia or child abuse.


Albatross wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child.

We don't know that happened, do we?


Nope. But from our experience of high school girls and of older guys willing to date them, we can guess it with 90% or better certainty. Is there the chance that she really is highly mature for her age, and they did nothing improper at all? Sure. But I think we all know the odds are small.

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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:therefore does not actually deserve such a hideous fate.


You have just as much right to say he doesn't as I do to say he does.

I couldn't care less for legal ramifications. He's harming his kids. He's old enough to know exactly what he's doing and he still does it. So yes, I wish all sorts of terrible events to befall someone who does that. You can get offended at my barbaric nature all you want, and it doesn't bother me. If, or better yet, when, he runs his life into the ground more than he already has, the sun will shine that much brighter on my day, and my nights will be that much more restful, knowing that wicked people get their just rewards.

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...urrrr... I dunno

Necroshea wrote:
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:therefore does not actually deserve such a hideous fate.


You have just as much right to say he doesn't as I do to say he does.

I couldn't care less for legal ramifications. He's harming his kids. He's old enough to know exactly what he's doing and he still does it. So yes, I wish all sorts of terrible events to befall someone who does that. You can get offended at my barbaric nature all you want, and it doesn't bother me. If, or better yet, when, he runs his life into the ground more than he already has, the sun will shine that much brighter on my day, and my nights will be that much more restful, knowing that wicked people get their just rewards.


How very biblical of you.
Of course, I'm also at liberty to call your opinion wrong, but you are of course right; that's just an opinion in itself.
Enjoy your frothing at the mouth now.

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Well this thread has gone sideways like the pears do...
That said it never was gonna get far...

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Oh good, is that arguement beginning? *pulls out popcorn*

Have to say I'm with Gorskar here though, he's a complete douche, but he doesn't deserve that.

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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:How very biblical of you.


And I'm not even partially religious. Funny that.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Of course, I'm also at liberty to call your opinion wrong, but you are of course right; that's just an opinion in itself.
Enjoy your frothing at the mouth now.


Sheesh, just as bad as calling people trolls when they don't agree with you.

Even still, I agree with your rather muddled way of saying that the conversation is silly and we can't reach an agreement so why not just end it.

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...urrrr... I dunno

Necroshea wrote:
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:How very biblical of you.


And I'm not even partially religious. Funny that.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Of course, I'm also at liberty to call your opinion wrong, but you are of course right; that's just an opinion in itself.
Enjoy your frothing at the mouth now.


Sheesh, just as bad as calling people trolls when they don't agree with you.

Even still, I agree with your rather muddled way of saying that the conversation is silly and we can't reach an agreement so why not just end it.


Indeed.
However, one other thing; though you probably already know this, the "Biblical" reference actually indicates wrathfulness, nor religiousness; the sort of punishment the God of the Old Testament used to hand out.
You know, humanity is using it's free will to do bad things, so I'd better wipe them out and start again with Noah and his lot. That kind of thing.

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Necroshea wrote:
Albatross wrote:What a lovely thing to wish upon someone. Stay classy, Necroshea.


Let me guess, you'd rather me send a get well card to the guy who traumatized and abandoned his children and wife?

I truly pity you.


Traumatized wife and children? He left them now but trust me they will be able to function in the every day world. A parent leaving is not as ground breaking as everyone thinks it is. Peace and a single parent are better than constant bickering and bitterness with two parents.

 
   
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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:However, one other thing; though you probably already know this, the "Biblical" reference actually indicates wrathfulness, nor religiousness; the sort of punishment the God of the Old Testament used to hand out.


Learn something new every day. I've heard someone use the term a long time ago, but not recently enough nor has it been used enough to warrant me understanding the meaning. Appreciate the education.

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The key point, from the standpoint of a current teacher and 28 year old father of 1 (although not a daughter), is that she was still in his classes when he moved in with her. "Powers was in Hooker's virtual business class and an associated club until his suspension."

Whether she was legal age or not, he was taking advantage of his position and crossing a major boundary. At the least, his teaching license should be revoked- and for those of you that don't think this is creepy- the article.also says his daughter was a junior at the same school. This guy is literally going out with someone young enough to be his daughter.

Legal it may be. In fact, it probably is. Morally and ethically.... it is totally reprehensible.

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An unfortunate situation all round, but not an uncommon one.

The only factor here that makes the story newsworthy is that he was her teacher.

However, should it ever go to court I would advise him not to smile like that...


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Frazzled wrote:I can't be on a jury so irrelevant (attorney). Thanks anyway.

I once had a partner at a firm get empaneled on a jury. She wasn't especially happy about that.

Thats a surprise. Here, its pretty much no way Jose. The jury lawyer might know more than the lawyers arguing the trial.


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Necroshea wrote:I hope the hammer drops hard on the guy.

As a teacher, you need to be a role model to the kids under your tutelage.
As a father, you need to be a role model to the kids under your roof.

He has utterly failed in both regards. I highly doubt this is your run of the mill relationship. Teenage girls aren't the wisest of individuals, and this is pretty common knowledge even when you're the same age. Fast forward to your 40's, you should have a good idea of how people of all ages work.

He's not in it for a complex and meaningful relationship, he's in it for sex and perhaps a feeling of dominance/superiority. There may be no hard evidence that he had sex with her while she was underage, but let's be realistic here, in all likelihood they did have sex, but neither of them will speak of it, and I'm sure finding out if sex took place is a bit harder than murder.

I hope that his life crumbles, she leaves him, and he dies utterly alone and penniless in the world, and only because of what he's doing to his kids. No child deserves this kind of experience with their father.


Indeed.

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Relapse wrote:
biccat wrote:Lol, fantastic.

I don't see why the school is going after the guy. There isn't any evidence that he did anything inappropriate except for the fact that he moved in with her.

Seems like a cut & dry case of discrimination.


I know a woman who hooked up with her teacher in high school. He stalked her while she was underage and initiated a sexual relationship that went on for a couple of years until she dropped out of school to marry him. He was a serious control freak that used their kids as a weapon against her, along with threats and mistreatment.
She ended up leaving him after he got another girlfriend and she's just now getting her life back together after years under this jackasses thumb.
I truly despise predators like this.

I beat my significant other furiously all the time.

But then again... my significant other is my penis.

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Mannahnin wrote:
As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child. While there are undoubtedly some students who are capable and mature enough, professional and personal ethics normally mean you don't get into that situation and risk being the guy who's taking advantage of the kid. As the teacher you may believe the kid is mature, but you're inherently in a conflict of interest situation. If you find them sexually appealing, your ability to judge their ability to give informed consent is less reliable. It's a slight step up from a person who cares for the developmentally disabled sleeping with their clients. And while it may well not be actual pedophilia, it's still a bit close for comfort.


Its worth noting that there is some variance.

I doubt people would be nearly as upset if 22 year old student teacher started a relationship with a current, or former, 18 year old student. Even less so if the older party were a female, assuming a heterosexual relationship.


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Mannahnin wrote:
Nope. But from our experience of high school girls and of older guys willing to date them, we can guess it with 90% or better certainty. Is there the chance that she really is highly mature for her age, and they did nothing improper at all? Sure. But I think we all know the odds are small.


Particularly considering Enochs high school is ~2300 in size, and the two apparently knew each other since she was a Freshman. This speaks to the idea that he made a conscious effort to be around her.

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Necroshea wrote:
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:therefore does not actually deserve such a hideous fate.


You have just as much right to say he doesn't as I do to say he does.

I couldn't care less for legal ramifications. He's harming his kids. He's old enough to know exactly what he's doing and he still does it. So yes, I wish all sorts of terrible events to befall someone who does that. You can get offended at my barbaric nature all you want, and it doesn't bother me. If, or better yet, when, he runs his life into the ground more than he already has, the sun will shine that much brighter on my day, and my nights will be that much more restful, knowing that wicked people get their just rewards.

Your opinions are wicked to me. In fact you're actually worse than the guy in question because you actively wish harm to come to another human being, whereas he just did something foolish, probably without considering the consequences to his family.

I think, perhaps, that I am the one who should pity you. It must feel awful to be so bitter. I can't imagine what that must be like.

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I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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dogma wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:
As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child. While there are undoubtedly some students who are capable and mature enough, professional and personal ethics normally mean you don't get into that situation and risk being the guy who's taking advantage of the kid. As the teacher you may believe the kid is mature, but you're inherently in a conflict of interest situation. If you find them sexually appealing, your ability to judge their ability to give informed consent is less reliable. It's a slight step up from a person who cares for the developmentally disabled sleeping with their clients. And while it may well not be actual pedophilia, it's still a bit close for comfort.


Its worth noting that there is some variance.

I doubt people would be nearly as upset if 22 year old student teacher started a relationship with a current, or former, 18 year old student. Even less so if the older party were a female, assuming a heterosexual relationship.


Maybe not. Beyond the immature jests and back-slapping from 'matey' mates and the like, I think it's entirely possible that the 22 year old female teacher would be forced to resign as this guy has. How could the school condemn one instance and then condone another?

The public reaction would almost certainly never reach the levels of a witch hunt though.

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This has already occurred several times, with the teacher going to jail.

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Yea the guy is a pretty big jerk off, and what he did would definitely make me not like him in the least. Saying that though, wishing that kind of a terrible thing on him, is just completely insane, if anything it makes you Necroshea worse then his actions make him. If he were a friend, I would tell him to feth off, if I worked with the guy, Id be furious to know I knew him, but I still wouldnt wish that kind of harm to him. Would I want the girl to come to her senses and leave him alone? Yes, yes I would, but thats it man. Seriously, you need to take a step back and relook your life over, if this kind of thing gets you so fething angered. Because really man, the world is full of much much worse then a guy that gets his jollies off on an 18 y/o LEGAL aged girl.
   
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KingCracker wrote:Yea the guy is a pretty big jerk off, and what he did would definitely make me not like him in the least. Saying that though, wishing that kind of a terrible thing on him, is just completely insane, if anything it makes you Necroshea worse then his actions make him. If he were a friend, I would tell him to feth off, if I worked with the guy, Id be furious to know I knew him, but I still wouldnt wish that kind of harm to him. Would I want the girl to come to her senses and leave him alone? Yes, yes I would, but thats it man. Seriously, you need to take a step back and relook your life over, if this kind of thing gets you so fething angered. Because really man, the world is full of much much worse then a guy that gets his jollies off on an 18 y/o LEGAL aged girl.


Maybe he gets mad at those things too.

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I think what KC is saying is there are worse things out there to get this angry about. Sure its odd, but it is legal. Wishing the man a lifetime of misery because of it is a bit of an over reaction. Also, how do we know she didn't pursue him? It doesn't say who initiated the relationship.

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Castiel wrote:I think what KC is saying is there are worse things out there to get this angry about. Sure its odd, but it is legal. Wishing the man a lifetime of misery because of it is a bit of an over reaction. Also, how do we know she didn't pursue him? It doesn't say who initiated the relationship.


Necroshea seems more upset at the father ditching his wife and kids, which is understandable, not just the fact that he initiated an relationship with a young student of his.

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Castiel wrote:I think what KC is saying is there are worse things out there to get this angry about. Sure its odd, but it is legal. Wishing the man a lifetime of misery because of it is a bit of an over reaction. Also, how do we know she didn't pursue him? It doesn't say who initiated the relationship.


Why? He ruined multiple lives. Its natural than we wish him less than high health.

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I wish him a long and happy life. so long as it's nowhere near me.

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Frazzled wrote:
Castiel wrote:I think what KC is saying is there are worse things out there to get this angry about. Sure its odd, but it is legal. Wishing the man a lifetime of misery because of it is a bit of an over reaction. Also, how do we know she didn't pursue him? It doesn't say who initiated the relationship.


Why? He ruined multiple lives. Its natural than we wish him less than high health.

It's perceived he ruined lives. If the parents love their daughter, they would let her be happy with the man she chose.


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nomsheep wrote:I wish him a long and happy life. so long as it's nowhere near me.

I think this is the point I'm going for. Thanks, Nomsheep!

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