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That Table of Contents caught my interest.

Could someone who's actually seen the book tell me a little more about the Deathstorm Drop Pod or the Sentry Gun? Both sound intriguing. Anything that stands out about them to make them cool/worth taking/so broken that no one will allow them?

I got the book yesterday - i quite like the fact that it has an Apoc update/refenrence section at the back.

Nevermind.

So I tracked down the PDF for the IA 2 updates, which include the rules for the Sentry Gun and the Deathstorm Drop Pod. Have they changed significantly in IA 12?

Sentry guns are the same thing they normaly are, just includes the option to take Hyperios and lose the Firing Mode restriction.

Deathstorm now makes enemys reroll any ld checks caused by casualties from it. Also the guns may fire at individual targets (and it has 5) Its expensive tho, as much as a SM tac squad base and power fist cost for the assault cannons.

Since it wasn't covered here in much detail, and the book is out currently, I'd like to ask anyone who has a copy already if they can tell me if taking Moloc replaces combat tactics with preferred enemy(Space Marines) just like his entry in IA10 or if it has changed. IE is his "Chapter Tactics" special rule entry the same as it was. Also, there was rumored that the Minotaurs got a special pattern terminator squad that was different from Tartaros pattern armour. Can anyone confirm or deny this, and if it exists, please tell a bit about it?

Mortechai wrote:
Since it wasn't covered here in much detail, and the book is out currently, I'd like to ask anyone who has a copy already if they can tell me if taking Moloc replaces combat tactics with preferred enemy(Space Marines) just like his entry in IA10 or if it has changed. IE is his "Chapter Tactics" special rule entry the same as it was. Also, there was rumored that the Minotaurs got a special pattern terminator squad that was different from Tartaros pattern armour. Can anyone confirm or deny this, and if it exists, please tell a bit about it?

Asterion Moloc does replace chapter tactics with PE (Space Marine) He's also a beast in his own right. He also automatically gains the legendary fighter Warlord trait.

The Terminator stuff is all fluff, there are no special rules for them.

Have the stats for the sentry guns been updated to reflect the new artillery rules? Are they artillery pieces or are they still essentially AV 10 vehicles with a single hull point?

 Jimsolo wrote:
Have the stats for the sentry guns been updated to reflect the new artillery rules? Are they artillery pieces or are they still essentially AV 10 vehicles with a single hull point?

They are T6 2W 3+ save arty.

 Sasori wrote:

Mortechai wrote:
Since it wasn't covered here in much detail, and the book is out currently, I'd like to ask anyone who has a copy already if they can tell me if taking Moloc replaces combat tactics with preferred enemy(Space Marines) just like his entry in IA10 or if it has changed. IE is his "Chapter Tactics" special rule entry the same as it was. Also, there was rumored that the Minotaurs got a special pattern terminator squad that was different from Tartaros pattern armour. Can anyone confirm or deny this, and if it exists, please tell a bit about it?

Asterion Moloc does replace chapter tactics with PE (Space Marine) He's also a beast in his own right. He also automatically gains the legendary fighter Warlord trait.

The Terminator stuff is all fluff, there are no special rules for them.

So does that mean a minotaurs army is no longer army wide PE:SM? I'd kinda like to see an exact quote of his profile :/ Bought him off FW the other day thinking he'd stay the same, I'd love to know for sure.

A Minotaurs army still has PE:SM if you take Moloc.

 Vaktathi wrote:
A Minotaurs army still has PE:SM if you take Moloc.

Awesome, thank you . Assured by that knowledge, my 3 new models I ordered(Moloc,Enkmoi and a Land Raider Achilles) will be effective as well as fluffy XD.

 Sasori wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Have the stats for the sentry guns been updated to reflect the new artillery rules? Are they artillery pieces or are they still essentially AV 10 vehicles with a single hull point?

They are T6 2W 3+ save arty.

Holy crap! That's way better. Did their cost increase? Or are they still dirt cheap?

Download section have only old Krieg list =(

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Have the stats for the sentry guns been updated to reflect the new artillery rules? Are they artillery pieces or are they still essentially AV 10 vehicles with a single hull point?

They are T6 2W 3+ save arty.

Holy crap! That's way better. Did their cost increase? Or are they still dirt cheap?

I don't know what their cost was before, but they cost as much as a single Grey Hunter before any upgrades right now.