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 Frazzled wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
I have ADHD so some parts of the hobby are huge humps for me to get over.
My worst hump is how i play the game. I constantly am thinking about my strategy and what i want to do, but i also have to remember dice rolls and rules while thinking up my strategy. I usually mess up one of them and end up confusing my opponents. when it comes to dice rolls i will often forget how many hits I get (or usually something to do with numbers). I also play a pseudo foot guard army so my turns also take a long time. I have to go back and re roll alot and that makes my long turns even longer. Worse it can possibly seem like i am cheating =(.
my opponents are fine people, its just i make a bunch of mistakes when it comes to working memory.

Funny, if I had ADHD, we'd be the same exact people . And I play pseudo foot guard. Sometimes I even find myself trying to count how many dice I have in my hand like 2-3 times........thankfully I have the chessex blocks so using a little math helps. I feel your pain.
The first time I went to my local shop, I was terrified of looking bummy/nasty. Only once have I ever forgot deodera t, and I was flipping out inside. If I ever get to go back, I'd def take whatever said in this thread to consideration!

Develop a checklist on procedures to follow. Write it down if you have to. I have really bad short term memory and that helped a lot.

Good advice.

My son has ADHD so to have something "concrete" like a checklist to refer to really does help.
The summary in the back of the book like sequence of turns are also of some help in keeping track.

My kid is FAST so seeing someone on a mission like him can give the impression of "pulling a fast-one" with dice when he is just trying to "get'er dun".
The only trait that can be a bit troubling for my son is if you inform him of something he will say "I know" even when you are sure he did not until that moment.
It is like he hears what you say while filing away the information, checks to see it is there and then thinks "the information is there, so I knew that already", gives the appearance of a "know-it-all".
Is this a common thing? Not sure, but it does show that people can be wired a certain way and just needs a little tolerance.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
I have ADHD so some parts of the hobby are huge humps for me to get over.
My worst hump is how i play the game. I constantly am thinking about my strategy and what i want to do, but i also have to remember dice rolls and rules while thinking up my strategy. I usually mess up one of them and end up confusing my opponents. when it comes to dice rolls i will often forget how many hits I get (or usually something to do with numbers). I also play a pseudo foot guard army so my turns also take a long time. I have to go back and re roll alot and that makes my long turns even longer. Worse it can possibly seem like i am cheating =(.
my opponents are fine people, its just i make a bunch of mistakes when it comes to working memory.

Funny, if I had ADHD, we'd be the same exact people . And I play pseudo foot guard. Sometimes I even find myself trying to count how many dice I have in my hand like 2-3 times........thankfully I have the chessex blocks so using a little math helps. I feel your pain.
The first time I went to my local shop, I was terrified of looking bummy/nasty. Only once have I ever forgot deodera t, and I was flipping out inside. If I ever get to go back, I'd def take whatever said in this thread to consideration!

Develop a checklist on procedures to follow. Write it down if you have to. I have really bad short term memory and that helped a lot.

Good advice.

My son has ADHD so to have something "concrete" like a checklist to refer to really does help.
The summary in the back of the book like sequence of turns are also of some help in keeping track.

My kid is FAST so seeing someone on a mission like him can give the impression of "pulling a fast-one" with dice when he is just trying to "get'er dun".
The only trait that can be a bit troubling for my son is if you inform him of something he will say "I know" even when you are sure he did not until that moment.
It is like he hears what you say while filing away the information, checks to see it is there and then thinks "the information is there, so I knew that already", gives the appearance of a "know-it-all".
Is this a common thing? Not sure, but it does show that people can be wired a certain way and just needs a little tolerance.

I understand where your son is coming from, and have the same problem.

He knew the information, it just wasn't being remembered until given a hint. It was described to me as being similar to having a single, massive file with all of your knowledge in it. It takes a longer time for you to find the information, but more is remembered. The amount of time it takes to remember can be taken as you not knowing the information.

It's a nasty problem with school...

I have one main pet peeve, really. I generally don't like to make a thing of it as I am a club officer and want to set a positive example at all times, but this tends to really grate on me.

I dislike rule debates immensely.

I don't mean, "these rules are confusing, how do they work?" debates. I mean "the rules are clear, but I am paraphrasing it and so is the other guy and both our memories of the rule are hazy and neither of us is bothering with the precise wording so we've created this hole that isn't really there which we must now fence over" debates.

I find more than ever that rules confusion is from two players who have clashing vague memories of a rule than because of the rule itself. This is very bad because in this age of the game it is very fashionable and cool to be like "HA isn't GW rules writing SOOOO terrible!?!" so most people assume their half-complete construct of the rule is gospel simply because it HAS a glaring hole or two in it.

I really, really hate this.

When people proxy models but don't tell you before the game what they are proxying. I don't mind proxies and on occasion I do it myself, but if I charge a horde of clan rats with queek that turn out to be queeks stormvermin I'm gunna be pissed off.
Probably the most annoying thing for me is when people change their temperament during a game. For example a player at my local store is pretty agreeable and nice while the game is even but when he's winning he's very loud and in your face, when he's losing comes the real irritation, he mumbles sighs loudly and often says things like "well I'm gunna lose anyway." IMO it's really not hard to be friendly and a good sport all throughout a game. I personally try and be upbeat and bring a good vibe to a game even when I'm being smashed.

Some funny stuff in this thread. It's interesting to see the differing personality types in our hobby (as with any other, I suppose).

I can abide just about anything. I let my opponents shoot in the assault phase with units they've forgotten, re-shoot at a unit of theirs because they forgot about a special rule, whatever. I mostly just want to play the game, and wasting time quibbling over things doesn't seem worth it.

The most annoying type of player is one who is easily distracted. Games of 40k are long enough as it is. If you need to greet every person that walks through the door and have a 5 minute conversation with each of them while I wait to roll my dice because I'll be damned if I just do it without him watching and be accused of cheating later, probably by the numbskull my opponent is chatting with, as they look up from the youtube video they were watching on numbskull's phone -- then you're a dick.

"Hey, I'm taking my autocannon shots at your Plague Marines. Here we go. Hey, dude. Dude. Here we go, 8 shots. Boom 6 hits. Hey, that's 6 hits. Hey! 6 hits, ok? And that's... 3 wounds. 3 armor saves. Hey, 3 3-ups. Yo! 3 3-ups, c'mon."

And we're playing 2000-2500 point games! Maybe 3 hours with all the rules-referencing if we proceed at a good pace. 5 hour games make me want to kill myself.

Second worst offense is the "Lore Expert" who must contradict any bit of lore being discussed by the group over the most insignificant minutia possible. "That wouldn't happen." "They'd never do that." "Space Marines would never do that."

Not really a playing thing but it aggravates me when people try to correct me on the pronunciation of 40k terms.

For example I always pronounce Chimera as Ki-meera, but a friend of mine always corrects me and say 'no it Chy-meeera'

It really doesn't bother me that I may be saying it wrong or that he may have it wrong. I say it the way I like and so should you, at the end of the day does it really matter? I wouldn't dream of correcting someones pronunciation.

Currently the most annoying thing for me is when people leave mid or after the game to go get food or smoke break or whatever without clearing there stuff so others cant play

Frickin bonkers.

I hate it when my opponent and I leave our game for like 5 minutes to take a quick smoke, or get some food, and people have carefully moved our stuff out of the way so they can play.

Crazy.


@Desubot, I am of course just kidding about this.

I dislike poor sportsmanship and childish behavior, the negative kind.

Does anyone remember "The Hand of god"? or saw the video someone posted on dakka? Well if that ever happened to me...Then that would really grind my gears.

Points over, and no list brought.

Drives me mental.

2000 point game? Sure! I'll spend 2 plus hours making a thematic, awesome list that relies on synergy, careful placement, an overarching tactical philosophy and also uses a large proportion of painted models to boot. It will be carefully thought out, and mindful of whether we're playing a casual or tournament practice game. This is going to be awesome.

I show up, and Ronald McDonald is late, with a mishmash of unpainted models (some might be on bases!) And has no list. But he'll quickly put one together - no worries! ''Hey, what army are you playing? Do you mind if I proxy this pile of blank bases as a variety of units that I don't own yet? I just started playing [FOTM].‘‘

Mind boggling.

When people using insta-win lists begin preaching in a condescending way about how I ought to become more skilled- makes me want rip their fething jaws off and wear their tongue as a fething necktie.

I could put a list of bitch sessions on here a mile long from my vast history of nerdness, but i solved the problem and only enjoy games with close friends over beer and laughter. there are somethings i've noticed across this forum that sort of bothers me(i know off subject, whatever file a lawsuit) first, why do so many people complain about unpainted models? i have one, yes one model painted out of about 250 pieces of plastic..yes i understand it adds flavor to the game experience, well sorry i don't have hours of my day to spend painting away(you know work,real life stuff) i have a life outside of the game, which should not stop me from having a fun and refreshing experience with a fellow player via the outlet of a hobby. Two, i find it really shattering to see "oh this race/army is horrible because GW made them a codex worthy of wiping a homeless man's ass" ok well it takes two to tango, one yes GW maybe engineered some flaws into the codex, but two it takes players to spam lists known to be overpowered with the "fun killer" factor that drives that message. Unless your playing for money or somebodys life, then people should be pulling out whatever catches their fancy in his/her's codex..not whats good or "wins". My past experience life with other games(tournements, gak like that with "prizes") has given me a view that i think some people have yet to collect..in the end games are just games, if you live to win and collect winnings or self gratification then you sir/mam belong in your parents basement..alone looking at porn and smelling of sweaty ballbag and fast food. For those who keep the true spirit of war gaming going, you know those who live to bust out the "crap pieces" for fun, i tip my hat to you, for those who don't care if they win/lose and look for humor and release in your hobby...i again tip my hat to you.

Can anyone explain WHY people that play 40k often smell so bad? I don't encounter it anywhere else never with the frequency except from people I meet at a drug dealers house (I don't touch the things, but been pals with the guy for a long time - life takes us all different places). But still thats the only comparison. Why do so many 40k players have terrible hygiene? I would love to know the correlation

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can anyone explain WHY people that play 40k often smell so bad? I don't encounter it anywhere else never with the frequency except from people I meet at a drug dealers house (I don't touch the things, but been pals with the guy for a long time - life takes us all different places). But still thats the only comparison. Why do so many 40k players have terrible hygiene? I would love to know the correlation

because i hate to say this but hobbysexuals area real thing, the poon is overided by the need to have the most splendid painted pieces and the most number of wins, yet i've met couples who smell like the bottom end of a terd chute too...i believe theres a level of nerdness/hobby gaming that rivals being a dirtball...where nothing matters but the next episode of some bland boring mainstream tv show, and making your next "cheesy winning list/team"

It irritates me when people are sloppy when providing their lists for me to look at.

Like, I personally put a lot of effort into making my list as legible and transparent as possible for my opponents, so that they can clearly understand my list. I don't expect this same level of effort from them, but it's irksome when I link them to this and then their response is just like "cool, im taking four tactical squads with drop-pods, three predators a captain and a command squad with a drop pod."

Drives me nuts. What's equally annoying is that people don't distinguish the differences between two identical units. I play 40K over the internet, using Roll20, so WYSIWYG isn't applicable. There is no visible way to discern what Slaaneshi Herald one has and what Slaaneshi Herald two has just from looking at the sprites. So, giving the two models different color tints and saying "the blue one has the Grimoire, the Green one has the Portalgyph" is very helpful, as is labeling each unit and making the label visible for your opponent. Most people in my gaming group don't do this, and it's frustrating.

And I doubt it's due to maliciousness, or some desire to cheat. It's just laziness.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It irritates me when people are sloppy when providing their lists for me to look at.

Like, I personally put a lot of effort into making my list as legible and transparent as possible for my opponents, so that they can clearly understand my list. I don't expect this same level of effort from them, but it's irksome when I link them to this and then their response is just like "cool, im taking four tactical squads with drop-pods, three predators a captain and a command squad with a drop pod."

Drives me nuts. What's equally annoying is that people don't distinguish the differences between two identical units. I play 40K over the internet, using Roll20, so WYSIWYG isn't applicable. There is no visible way to discern what Slaaneshi Herald one has and what Slaaneshi Herald two has just from looking at the sprites. So, giving the two models different color tints and saying "the blue one has the Grimoire, the Green one has the Portalgyph" is very helpful, as is labeling each unit and making the label visible for your opponent. Most people in my gaming group don't do this, and it's frustrating.

And I doubt it's due to maliciousness, or some desire to cheat. It's just laziness.

you play 40k over the web? how?

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can anyone explain WHY people that play 40k often smell so bad? I don't encounter it anywhere else never with the frequency except from people I meet at a drug dealers house (I don't touch the things, but been pals with the guy for a long time - life takes us all different places). But still thats the only comparison. Why do so many 40k players have terrible hygiene? I would love to know the correlation

It's not just 40k. It happens with M:TG, D&D, Battletech...
The issue is that people like that are social pariahs. Our hobbies tend to attract people who are social pariahs. 1+1=2.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Dudecrap wrote:

 Sledgehammer wrote:
I have ADHD so some parts of the hobby are huge humps for me to get over.
My worst hump is how i play the game. I constantly am thinking about my strategy and what i want to do, but i also have to remember dice rolls and rules while thinking up my strategy. I usually mess up one of them and end up confusing my opponents. when it comes to dice rolls i will often forget how many hits I get (or usually something to do with numbers). I also play a pseudo foot guard army so my turns also take a long time. I have to go back and re roll alot and that makes my long turns even longer. Worse it can possibly seem like i am cheating =(.
my opponents are fine people, its just i make a bunch of mistakes when it comes to working memory.

Funny, if I had ADHD, we'd be the same exact people . And I play pseudo foot guard. Sometimes I even find myself trying to count how many dice I have in my hand like 2-3 times........thankfully I have the chessex blocks so using a little math helps. I feel your pain.
The first time I went to my local shop, I was terrified of looking bummy/nasty. Only once have I ever forgot deodera t, and I was flipping out inside. If I ever get to go back, I'd def take whatever said in this thread to consideration!

Develop a checklist on procedures to follow. Write it down if you have to. I have really bad short term memory and that helped a lot.

Good advice.

My son has ADHD so to have something "concrete" like a checklist to refer to really does help.
The summary in the back of the book like sequence of turns are also of some help in keeping track.

My kid is FAST so seeing someone on a mission like him can give the impression of "pulling a fast-one" with dice when he is just trying to "get'er dun".
The only trait that can be a bit troubling for my son is if you inform him of something he will say "I know" even when you are sure he did not until that moment.
It is like he hears what you say while filing away the information, checks to see it is there and then thinks "the information is there, so I knew that already", gives the appearance of a "know-it-all".
Is this a common thing? Not sure, but it does show that people can be wired a certain way and just needs a little tolerance.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Anyway your son might also be an INTJ on the Myers Briggs like I am. people that are INTJ can appear very arrogant if they are not careful.

40k is a great way for me to interact with people and form relationships, it satisfies my need for strategic thinking, creativity, and challenges me in concentration and working memory.

so if your son is like me than 40k would be great for his development. As a 20 year old 40k is really helping me cope with the stress of college and help me learn better too.

Crimson Heretic wrote:
first, why do so many people complain about unpainted models? i have one, yes one model painted out of about 250 pieces of plastic..yes i understand it adds flavor to the game experience, well sorry i don't have hours of my day to spend painting away(you know work,real life stuff) i have a life outside of the game, which should not stop me from having a fun and refreshing experience with a fellow player via the outlet of a hobby.

This is absolute nonsense and degrades people who do choose to spend their time, which we all do have, by the way, to paint. One out of 250 models. What a joke. You can choose not to paint because a.) you suck at painting or b.) have no desire to get better at it, or both without claiming to have a busier or better life than those who do take pride in their models and their painting. You have time to build 250 models, and time to play games, then you have time to paint. Anybody who participates in this hobby after age 16 works and has real life stuff going on.

rigeld2 wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can anyone explain WHY people that play 40k often smell so bad? I don't encounter it anywhere else never with the frequency except from people I meet at a drug dealers house (I don't touch the things, but been pals with the guy for a long time - life takes us all different places). But still thats the only comparison. Why do so many 40k players have terrible hygiene? I would love to know the correlation

It's not just 40k. It happens with M:TG, D&D, Battletech...
The issue is that people like that are social pariahs. Our hobbies tend to attract people who are social pariahs. 1+1=2.

No. No way MtG at least. I played MTG for about 10 years, played in many different towns, and every weekend visited the biggest MtG weekly, in the second largest capital city of my country. I went to pre-releases, regionals, ive lived in 4 different areas during the period, and its not comparable. At bigger events there was definitely an odour, but hey that many men in one room sitting around all day, i feel like thats inevitable, but damn when i walk in the FLGS and see one guy inside, speaking to the owner (who is not an issue) about 40k, and the smell hits me so bad I gotta leave the goddamn shop its like wow this is on another level

 SHUPPET wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
Can anyone explain WHY people that play 40k often smell so bad? I don't encounter it anywhere else never with the frequency except from people I meet at a drug dealers house (I don't touch the things, but been pals with the guy for a long time - life takes us all different places). But still thats the only comparison. Why do so many 40k players have terrible hygiene? I would love to know the correlation

It's not just 40k. It happens with M:TG, D&D, Battletech...
The issue is that people like that are social pariahs. Our hobbies tend to attract people who are social pariahs. 1+1=2.

No. No way MtG at least. I played MTG for about 10 years, played in many different towns, and every weekend visited the biggest MtG weekly, in the second largest capital city of my country. I went to pre-releases, regionals, ive lived in 4 different areas during the period, and its not comparable. At bigger events there was definitely an odour, but hey that many men in one room sitting around all day, i feel like thats inevitable, but damn when i walk in the FLGS and see one guy inside, speaking to the owner (who is not an issue) about 40k, and the smell hits me so bad I gotta leave the goddamn shop its like wow this is on another level

You should feel special. It's definitely that way here. I live in a college town and there's almost always at least one rancid dude every FNM. If it was the same one every time the store owner would kick him out, but as-is they get warned.

VanHallan wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:
first, why do so many people complain about unpainted models? i have one, yes one model painted out of about 250 pieces of plastic..yes i understand it adds flavor to the game experience, well sorry i don't have hours of my day to spend painting away(you know work,real life stuff) i have a life outside of the game, which should not stop me from having a fun and refreshing experience with a fellow player via the outlet of a hobby.

This is absolute nonsense and degrades people who do choose to spend their time, which we all do have, by the way, to paint. One out of 250 models. What a joke. You can choose not to paint because a.) you suck at painting or b.) have no desire to get better at it, or both without claiming to have a busier or better life than those who do take pride in their models and their painting. You have time to build 250 models, and time to play games, then you have time to paint. Anybody who participates in this hobby after age 16 works and has real life stuff going on.

While I agree with you 100%, this seems to be well tread ground on dakka over the past week (and in prior threads from a few months ago).

Prepare yourself for the inevitable wave of grey guilt fuelled comments and pms.

Really? hahahaha. it bothers you that much that people don't choose to paint 1 model out of 250? im gunna start leaving 1 model unpainted solely for this purpose, the amount of silliness directed towards someone trying to play strategy game is incredible lol

 SHUPPET wrote:
Really? hahahaha. it bothers you that much that people don't choose to paint 1 model out of 250? im gunna start leaving 1 model unpainted solely for this purpose, the amount of silliness directed towards someone trying to play strategy game is incredible lol

As I read it, it was 1 model painted and 249 unpainted.

 SHUPPET wrote:
Really? hahahaha. it bothers you that much that people don't choose to paint 1 model out of 250? im gunna start leaving 1 model unpainted solely for this purpose, the amount of silliness directed towards someone trying to play strategy game is incredible lol

The quoted post says that he has painted a single model out of 250.

"I have one, yes, one model painted out of 250 pieces of plastic."

golf clap for the paris hiltons of the GW hobby that have such a busy life they can't find time to paint.

SBG wrote:
Points over, and no list brought.

Drives me mental.

2000 point game? Sure! I'll spend 2 plus hours making a thematic, awesome list that relies on synergy, careful placement, an overarching tactical philosophy and also uses a large proportion of painted models to boot. It will be carefully thought out, and mindful of whether we're playing a casual or tournament practice game. This is going to be awesome.

I show up, and Ronald McDonald is late, with a mishmash of unpainted models (some might be on bases!) And has no list. But he'll quickly put one together - no worries! ''Hey, what army are you playing? Do you mind if I proxy this pile of blank bases as a variety of units that I don't own yet? I just started playing [FOTM].‘‘

Mind boggling.

I should make alts just to exalt this more.

VanHallan wrote:
"I have one, yes, one model painted out of 250 pieces of plastic."

golf clap for the paris hiltons of the GW hobby that have such a busy life they can't find time to paint.

Or don't want to. Because, you know, everyone must enjoy the exact same things you do.

See, but you're missing the point just so you can use the same tired argument that all of you non painters always use.

There are plenty of things in life that I don't enjoy. 90% of the reason is because I suck at them.

Do I have to be a good cook to enjoy eating? Nope. Do I have to be a good painter to play 40k? Nope.

But to say I "don't have time to cook" is nonsense. "I don't have time to paint." is nonsense.

No one who plays 40k, given that they have time to collect, assemble, and play games can possibly be in position to suggest that they don't "have time" to paint.

If they say they dont like to paint, that's fine. No argument. They must suck at painting. I suck at playing the piano. It doesn't mean people who had time to get good at piano have no life. They just *chose* to spend their time learning something that I didn't.

Personally I find the initial statement demeaning to people who spend time to actually get good at something so that the person who posted it can get a false sense of pride out of their sheer laziness to progress in one area of life. Maybe they wouldn't like painting, but it has NOTHING to do with being too busy to paint. That is just pure BS, so I'm calling him on it. If you don't like it, aww shucks.