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**PaperworkNinja**

...When all my Marine sergeants could carry multiple Vortex grenades and the power fist was a valuable melee weapon instead of something that makes you hit last...

...the first game against Ork Hop-Splat artillery...

... coming up with a house rule that if Hop-Splat shells landed on a functioning Vortex that it was the same as rolling a 6 on the Vortex chart...

... the "walking fire" template for the Thudd Gun...

... the acetate "aiming grid" and armored vehicle datasheets for shooting vehicles...

... when Tyranid players weren't immune to Toxin missiles.

Yes. I remember quite a bit from the old days.

**ZebioLizard2**

...the first game against Ork Hop-Splat artillery...

Oh man those things were so cool, kinda wish they'd bring them back.

**EmperorsChampion**

All of this makes me think back to those times...

3rd edition with city fight rules...Vogen campaign at my local store!

Black Templar Armageddon codex...Mmm..I miss that thing. Always hitting on 3+!

Salamanders were I3.

SoB being a tough nut to crack! They were always one of my hardest opponents. Them and Demon bomb chaos..

Fear of the CSM demon prince with a crap ton of gifts running up into my line.

Area terrain was nice for blocking LOS. Good and bad, didn't have to deal with the.."I think I can shoot your squad through these 4 pieces of hanging wires, trees, buildings and that window." (Nice cover save tax for that shot.)

**Vaktathi**

I sometimes miss my 3.5E Chaos Lord

2+/5++ T5 W4 with 7 S8 I6 attacks on a charge.

'twas hilarious.

But yeah it's probably a good thing those got toned down.

**AegisGrimm**

I chuckle when nearly all of the Black Templars freaking out about not having their own Codex are not old enough to remember when they were simple Vanilla marines, and didn't even become a unique chapter on their own until the Armageddon world campaign codex. When four pages of rules that just supplanted parts of the vanilla codex gave you an extremely cool unique chapter. And came alongside three other unique armies.

But I digress.

I honestly don't think I would be such a 40K fan if I was just coming into wargaming now, instead of in the GW environment of 1996.

**EmperorsChampion**

AegisGrimm wrote:
I chuckle when nearly all of the Black Templars freaking out about not having their own Codex are not old enough to remember when they were simple Vanilla marines, and didn't even become a unique chapter on their own until the Armageddon world campaign codex. When four pages of rules that just supplanted parts of the vanilla codex gave you an extremely cool unique chapter. And came alongside three other unique armies.

But I digress.

I honestly don't think I would be such a 40K fan if I was just coming into wargaming now, instead of in the GW environment of 1996.

I was, and I do remember. The Emperor's Champion was in the 3rd edition codex before he was in the Armageddon book as well. Besides now Black Templar players are at an all time low, even when we had our codex I was that token BT player at my store.

**triplegrim**

I remember when you could take a 30 point Space Marine Leader as your HQ.

**Wayniac**

triplegrim wrote:
I remember when you could take a 30 point Space Marine Leader as your HQ.

Yes to this day I don't get why they took away the lesser HQ choices for most armies. Why is a Company Captain or the Chapter Master himself leading most SM engagements?

**Nevelon**

It was nice to have what was basically a jumped up sergeant for small games.

**Furyou Miko**

Or just a regular sergeant like in 2nd...

**lliu**

I wish. This makes me tear up.

Though I wasn't even born... Wait, when was 3rd ed? I was born in 2002 so tell me. It makes me tear up to see GW so kind and caring and actually giving us FREE templates.

**Orlanth**

I remember when Thudd Guns had linked templates.

I remember when orks had bolters.

i remember when Madboyz had ten tables of random events to roll on so you could never predict what they would do.

i remember when bo0x sets had 'Chapter Approved' stamped on them.

I not only remember Squats, I still got 'em.

**Talys**

For nostalgia, I only have to look at my unpainted stuff...

Here's a little bit of my oldest! Plastic boxes of Space Orks and Imperial Guard, a set of Grey Knight Terminators, an original Terminator with a Cyclone (wheee only 25mm base bwahaha), an original Harlequin Troupe, and, will you look at that, a premium box of 5 Eldar Aspect Warriors, wings and all, for $12 Canadian.

**Brennonjw**

My thoughts on the first post. Also, I still have my first model: Warrior of Chaos Lord old old sculpt

Spoiler:

**ZebioLizard2**

WayneTheGame wrote:
triplegrim wrote:
I remember when you could take a 30 point Space Marine Leader as your HQ.

Yes to this day I don't get why they took away the lesser HQ choices for most armies. Why is a Company Captain or the Chapter Master himself leading most SM engagements?

Yeah that was back in the day when Chaos had Lieutenants/Aspiring Champions instead of sorcerers, and they could upgrade to sorcerers instead

**Bronzefists42**

I remember when we all complained about these thing (at least the ones that applied to 5th ed), lamenting the ridiculous things GW was doing.

I have heard at some point or another, people complain about all the things listed.

Some things never do change. I understand some people missing this stuff but honestly this website seems to be locked in a pessimistic downward spiral, ready to announce the end of worlds at the slightest proverbial tremor.

EDIT: Misread parts of it.

**docdoom77**

Talys wrote:
For nostalgia, I only have to look at my unpainted stuff...

Here's a little bit of my oldest! Plastic boxes of Space Orks and Imperial Guard, a set of Grey Knight Terminators, an original Terminator with a Cyclone (wheee only 25mm base bwahaha), an original Harlequin Troupe, and, will you look at that, a premium box of 5 Eldar Aspect Warriors, wings and all, for $12 Canadian.

Those were my first two boxes of plastic you have sitting there! Great stuff.

**Talys**

docdoom77 wrote:
Talys wrote:
For nostalgia, I only have to look at my unpainted stuff...

Here's a little bit of my oldest! Plastic boxes of Space Orks and Imperial Guard, a set of Grey Knight Terminators, an original Terminator with a Cyclone (wheee only 25mm base bwahaha), an original Harlequin Troupe, and, will you look at that, a premium box of 5 Eldar Aspect Warriors, wings and all, for $12 Canadian.

Those were my first two boxes of plastic you have sitting there! Great stuff.

The first box of plastics I bought were space marines. Sadly, I don't have any of those boxes anymore :(

**Stormonu**

I remember the Imperium having robots and you had to program them before the game with logic gates. (Sadly, that didn't last long for either)

Unfortunately I also remember my marines getting turned into pink horrors and bulldozered by a chaos lord on a juggernaut somewhere in 2nd/early 3rd, and not playing again until the revised Necrons came out... (they were what got me back collecting & playing).

**TheCustomLime**

I remember when Hydras were the best source of Dakka for guard.

....When Land Raiders were $50.

....When GW had actual articles on their website.

....When Forgeworld sold GW plastics on their site.

....When the Mars Alpha Leman Russ (

) was still available.

**docdoom77**

Talys wrote:
docdoom77 wrote:
Talys wrote:
For nostalgia, I only have to look at my unpainted stuff...

Here's a little bit of my oldest! Plastic boxes of Space Orks and Imperial Guard, a set of Grey Knight Terminators, an original Terminator with a Cyclone (wheee only 25mm base bwahaha), an original Harlequin Troupe, and, will you look at that, a premium box of 5 Eldar Aspect Warriors, wings and all, for $12 Canadian.

Those were my first two boxes of plastic you have sitting there! Great stuff.

The first box of plastics I bought were space marines. Sadly, I don't have any of those boxes anymore :(

I don't have the boxes anymore, but I do have a ton of RT era Marines. Some are still on the sprue. It's all part of my RT era Crimson Fists I've been working on. Some of those old minis are just great!

**Talys**

docdoom77 wrote:

I don't have the boxes anymore, but I do have a ton of RT era Marines. Some are still on the sprue. It's all part of my RT era Crimson Fists I've been working on. Some of those old minis are just great!

I have 8 or so painted squads of beakies, and I still have a ton of bits from RT marines

I still remember how much I loved them because of how posable they were LOL. The box was such a good value.

Happy days!

**Kaiserbudheim**

WHQ: rolling consecutive 1s in the Power Phase and drawing Monster after Monster Event cards...filling every empty tile space with Monsters. Fun times!

**Zywus**

Remember when... there were this Black and White Space Marine on a Black and White Bike who wanted to marry commander's daughter?

**Spaz431**

Remember when people didn't spout vitriol at something they were going to spend money on anyways? Oh wait, no one does. Soo... Either play old rules or get with the times. And find a way to enjoy the game again.

**vipoid**

Spaz431 wrote:
Remember when people didn't spout vitriol at something they were going to spend money on anyways? Oh wait, no one does. Soo... Either play old rules or get with the times. And find a way to enjoy the game again.

Huh.

I didn't know Games Workshop's PR department visited these forums.

**triplegrim**

Spaz431 wrote:
Remember when people didn't spout vitriol at something they were going to spend money on anyways? Oh wait, no one does. Soo... Either play old rules or get with the times. And find a way to enjoy the game again.

7th edition seems to be rather popular though. And like many people have written in this thread; earlier editions have been horribly unbalanced, and 40k is better now in many ways.

**Wayniac**

lliu wrote:
I wish. This makes me tear up. Though I wasn't even born... Wait, when was 3rd ed? I was born in 2002 so tell me. It makes me tear up to see GW so kind and caring and actually giving us FREE templates.

It came out the end of 1998 if I recall my dates correctly, because I was still in high school. It might have been 1999.

GW used to care a lot. They had mail order people (the Mail Order Trolls) that if you called them up and said you were looking to let's say start Space Marines, they would see if they could give you any discounts and deals, like if you bought $100 worth of stuff they'd give you a blister pack for free (e.g. buy a couple boxes of Space Marines and maybe you get the Captain free), or the codex for free if you bought like $200. It was great. White Dwarf used to have catalog type pages in the back and they'd feature deals. One I remember was when the Eldar came out for 3rd: Buy two boxes of Aspect Warriors, get a third for 50% off (and they were like $25 at the time).

They would do all sorts of things like that, you just had to call the Mail Order Trolls and ask if they could give you a deal because you were looking to buy a bunch of models.

It is very sad seeing what GW used to be versus what they've become. I doubt any of us would have an issue with them if they were like the GW of old....

**docdoom77**

WayneTheGame wrote:
lliu wrote:
I wish. This makes me tear up. Though I wasn't even born... Wait, when was 3rd ed? I was born in 2002 so tell me. It makes me tear up to see GW so kind and caring and actually giving us FREE templates.

It came out the end of 1998 if I recall my dates correctly, because I was still in high school. It might have been 1999.

GW used to care a lot. They had mail order people (the Mail Order Trolls) that if you called them up and said you were looking to let's say start Space Marines, they would see if they could give you any discounts and deals, like if you bought $100 worth of stuff they'd give you a blister pack for free (e.g. buy a couple boxes of Space Marines and maybe you get the Captain free), or the codex for free if you bought like $200. It was great. White Dwarf used to have catalog type pages in the back and they'd feature deals. One I remember was when the Eldar came out for 3rd: Buy two boxes of Aspect Warriors, get a third for 50% off (and they were like $25 at the time).

They would do all sorts of things like that, you just had to call the Mail Order Trolls and ask if they could give you a deal because you were looking to buy a bunch of models.

It is very sad seeing what GW used to be versus what they've become. I doubt any of us would have an issue with them if they were like the GW of old....

The books and magazines were more personal back in the day too. I love reading my old White Dwarfs. Just seemed like a bunch of gamers doing what they loved. Not a glorified advert.

I miss the personal feel, but with success you get more impersonal companies. Just look at Wal-mart when it became popular and Walmart now.

**Talys**

docdoom77 wrote:
The books and magazines were more personal back in the day too. I love reading my old White Dwarfs. Just seemed like a bunch of gamers doing what they loved. Not a glorified advert.

I miss the personal feel, but with success you get more impersonal companies. Just look at Wal-mart when it became popular and Walmart now.

My oldest White Dwarf magazines read, "The Science Fiction & Fantasy Games and Miniatures Magazine", and many, many of my White Dwarf magazines are described s "The Role-Playing Games Monthly". Back then, Games Workshop had a one page advertisement in every issue... cutout mail order forms too haha

The funny thing is, I used to buy White Dwarf to get Dungeons and Dragons content... lol. There was some Call of Cthulhu stuff that was cool as well.

And who can forget Thrudd the Barbarian!!!