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1: Convention is to use the gender of whatever avatar someone happens to have up at the time, not to default to male.

I disagree here. If anyone was to use the feminine about me, I would point them to my explicitly male username .

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Oh, okay. Sorry. Hope your depression is finished . Will use the right pronoun now then.

It's helped a lot. I haven't felt this good in a looooooooooooong while. The mood swings while the hormone levels balance out aren't too bad, but still not fun.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 ClockworkZion wrote:
Fangirl thank you.

And seriously, I've seen a LOT of people who want to at least get some Sisters allies but don't want $100+ for even that.

And if you don't care about Sisters why are you in a Sisters thread? Just trying to troll for a reason to press the yellow triangle of friendship on others?

1. Fanboy is a term. Don't care what you are on the other side of the screen. I use the same descriptor.
2. Why would anybody really want to ally them in the first place? Scions do the same job for a better price. I'm curious to see what you mean by "a LOT" as well. The OP already struggles to make this supposed campaign happen. The market isn't as large as you think it is.
3. I'm here because this is a forum and therefore I'm going to post opinions.

Sisters are more of a power armored horde than Scions are. And -I- want to ally them to things. I'm working on adding Black Templars to my Sisters army to have a Crusading fleet of awesome.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Fanboy is a derived term for a male fangirl, however, so... it's not really correct to use it in that fashion. Technically, by your logic, you should call everyone - even the males - fangirls.

Scions do the same job better? Scions are completely different. There is literally no role overlap between deep-striking, medium-armour lasgunners with an AP boost and mob-handed, heavy-armour melta caddies.

Scions are MSU Special Weapons holders that have several delivery options to get them where required (Taurox, Deep Strike, Valkyrie). This is really the niche they fulfill. Neither Sisters or Scions are very durable, and Scions are cheaper or more efficient to deliver. Immolators are neat (yay Multi-Meltas), but there's better vehicles to purchase. If I really wanted a
 EVIL INC wrote:
Sad really. Sisters have a HUGE fan base. Much greater than many of the armies that are currently being pushed.

Haha, no they don't. They certainly didn't back then when they had more "character" and better builds, and they certainly don't now. This "HUGE" fan base is completely exaggerated and you know it.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Nope, royalties are only 1.1% of it.

http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Games-Workshop-Group-14-combined-FINAL-cover-version.pdf

And as I said, 40k is around half of total revenue according to what GW said during the chapterhouse case. So total is $500k, 40k is around $250k, so 100 people buying a melta Sister is going to raise that day's 40k sales by around 0.7%... I honestly doubt anyone in GW HQ would even know it happened.


Just goes to show, people are paying way to much for the material. Their total profits are kinda pathetic for the amount they charge for "premium" material though, weird.


 
   
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@Slayerfan123: You're confusing "fan base" with "customer base". Sisters have a lot of fans, they just don't have a lot buying the models. There is a list of contributing factors (like the original codex telling you to not run them as a solo army) but despite the lack of players they have a fair number of fans.
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
This "HUGE" fan base is completely exaggerated and you know it.

We can't really quantify the SoB fanbase exactly. But it would also be incorret to say that they are insignificant. They sold well on the German iBooks store. Open the spoiler for a screenshot, and it's a reaosnable presumption that they performed decently on the other iBook stores too. And that's just the iBooks store, GW was also selling it on the BL site too.

Sure, the SoB fanbase might not be as big as the Space Marine or Ork fabnase, but it seems to be big enough.
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Fanboy is a derived term for a male fangirl, however, so... it's not really correct to use it in that fashion. Technically, by your logic, you should call everyone - even the males - fangirls.

Scions do the same job better? Scions are completely different. There is literally no role overlap between deep-striking, medium-armour lasgunners with an AP boost and mob-handed, heavy-armour melta caddies.

Scions are MSU Special Weapons holders that have several delivery options to get them where required (Taurox, Deep Strike, Valkyrie). This is really the niche they fulfill. Neither Sisters or Scions are very durable, and Scions are cheaper or more efficient to deliver. Immolators are neat (yay Multi-Meltas), but there's better vehicles to purchase. If I really wanted a


Dose anyone have both codexes so that we can compare points costs, because I have a feeling that SoB can deploy the same if not more special weapons as a comparative points cost to Scions depending on which SoB unit is cosen. The BSS can have either 1 special and 1 heavy or 2 special where as the dominion squad can have up to 4 special weapons in a MSU squad of 5.

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I'm in. Just traded all my Space Wolves for a sizeable Sisters army, to the point I never need a troop... but for the cause, let's do it.


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 fox-light713 wrote:
Dose anyone have both codexes so that we can compare points costs, because I have a feeling that SoB can deploy the same if not more special weapons as a comparative points cost to Scions depending on which SoB unit is cosen. The BSS can have either 1 special and 1 heavy or 2 special where as the dominion squad can have up to 4 special weapons in a MSU squad of 5.


Tempestus cost same (higher by 10 for base squad), have worse stats, can take 2 specials at min size like sisters and can't take heavy weapons. They have access to Tauros and Valk, plus deep strike and move through cover and can take plasma guns.

They loose out of better stat line, better points efficiency, wider range of usable options, and basic gun strength.

Personally, Sisters all the way.

Although, Sisters with Tempestus allies sounds intriguing. Take Valks, and load them with Sisters.

Although, Elysians do that better as well.

Ah well. Hope that helps.


Back on topic, I'd contribute, but I have a pledge to paint everything first (sure, right), and that 1 model sets me back 20+ dollars. Sorry. Be rooting for you!

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I am in for two Melta's.

Only have 6 so far + a combi-melta so more meltas will not be a problem.

If the rumours of June are correct for Sisters we might hear more before March.
   
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"Protests" or "petitions" like this don't work. It's like the "protests" against high gas prices. A one day or one week blip in sales doesn't indicate anything overall in a market. Continued trends do.

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"If we buy more of the old models, they'll finally replace the old ones!"

Typically when you want a product to change you buy less of it.

Not trying to sound snobbish but I don't think buying outdated models will get GW off their collective butts to replace said outdated models.

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I am unsure if using money to vote is the right stance when it should be a boycott but, someone is actually doing something for once. I agree with Bronze and the others, I don't think this will truly help.

However... I learned about sisters the same day I got into 40k tabletop, as my Frenchman opponent who taught me to play the game owned an army of them. I'd be a hypocrite not to support this considering their involvement with how I got into the hobby.

Also, to echo the others above about them having a fanbase/customer base. I would /love/ a 500 pts allied Sisters army if they were updated.

Yeah. Count me in, I need an extra figure for an objective marker anyways.

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 whalemusic360 wrote:
Alph, I expect like 90 sets of orange/blue from you.
 
   
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At our local GW store, a regional manager was visiting while I was there, and was saying things like 'if sales increase on sisters, they're more likely to get plastic units, new releases, etc etc' and suggested that maybe one or two small releases would be in the future, and their sales would determine future goals.

I know this is like the most obvious information ever, but hey maybe this 'buy-in' isn't a terrible idea.
   
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Might as well just Squat them then, because I imagine most of us aren't interested in buying $80 squads of metal models from the 3rd edition era.

Seriously, what a stupid way to look at it. If that was the same attitude they had before we wouldn't have ever gotten the Dark Eldar revamp, since no one was buying them, either. And if I'm not mistaken Necrons weren't very popular before the 5th edition update, either. Needless to say I don't believe that person at all and I don't think GW actually plans on doing anything with Sisters in any case, probably just hoping people are stupid enough to pay their stupid prices for those ancient models and help clear out their inventory to make room for more Space Marine gak.

I'll probably buy new kits, if they really do put any out, but I'm not getting on my hands and knees and paying $80 for ten fething models, practically begging for an update that for all we know GW doesn't ever intend to invest in. GW needs to be the one taking the risks here, as it's kinda foolish to expect us to invest in an army that isn't getting any support and could literally disappear overnight, especially at the price being asked. The digital rulebook is apparently a good seller, isn't that a good enough sign for them?

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Ah, what the hell, I might as well chip in. At worst, I'll have saved a Sister from a fiery death by melting chamber.
And to any who question the validity of this (admittedly very crazy/stupid/ridiculous) idea, what's the alternative? Sit around day after day, debating about the same ideas on the same forums until the Age of Strife? Gather signatures for a (written only) petition that will either sit in the office gathering dust or get deleted from the email inbox?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well GW were mostly responsible for the Berlin Wall, so it's natural for some people to harbour resentment towards them.
 
   
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Would three battle sisters count to this or are we just doing the models listed?

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 whalemusic360 wrote:
Alph, I expect like 90 sets of orange/blue from you.
 
   
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As long as they're bought on the fourth of March at the relevant time (8am PST
10am CST
11am EST for the US ), and are from the Adepta Sororitas range, any purchase will help... but buying one of the models listed shows more solidarity with the other protestors.



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I have enough SoB to fill a standard table already, but I guess one more won't hurt.

As for popularity I'm the only Sisters player among our ten or so people who play at least once a year. No one calls them useless (I have victories against most armies and actually yet to lose vs Tau), it's just that the expensive models are a hurdle. One of the guys bought a squad of five Seraphim just to paint them but he's not shelling out enough for a working army. You could probably get his SW, Orks AND Tyranids for the money I've put into one army.
   
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 Bronzefists42 wrote:
"If we buy more of the old models, they'll finally replace the old ones!"
It makes sense. If you do not have any stock anymore, you need to recast. Might as well recast new models that will sell better .

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 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:
 fox-light713 wrote:
Dose anyone have both codexes so that we can compare points costs, because I have a feeling that SoB can deploy the same if not more special weapons as a comparative points cost to Scions depending on which SoB unit is cosen. The BSS can have either 1 special and 1 heavy or 2 special where as the dominion squad can have up to 4 special weapons in a MSU squad of 5.


Tempestus cost same (higher by 10 for base squad), have worse stats, can take 2 specials at min size like sisters and can't take heavy weapons. They have access to Tauros and Valk, plus deep strike and move through cover and can take plasma guns.

They loose out of better stat line, better points efficiency, wider range of usable options, and basic gun strength.

Personally, Sisters all the way.

1. Because you WANT Heavy Weapons? There's a reason why people like Bikers over Tactical Marines and that's one of the reasons.
2. Valkyries create more efficiency in dropping troops, and they can already Deep Strike as well.
3. Bolters suck anyway; AP3 on S3 is better than S4 AP5.
THEN you say wider range of usable options when Plasma Guns are one of the best weapons you can currently purchase?

Seriously, Scions fulfill the same niche, and do so better.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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I think the only way to save Sisters was how they saved the Tau. Which was in serious decline when I took them up again a couple of years back.

Make them powerful in the crunch, give them battlefield quirks in an interesting way so they can have unique playstyles, and a better setup with regard to models and information about the army.

People play for all sorts of reasons, but the capability to win and win in an interesting way is something all players want. Fluffy players like to win according to the army's style in canon, crunchy types and powergamers just like to win.

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To all the other people who say 'It won't work' or 'I don't hold out much hope'...

Where is your fighting spirit? Where is your thirst for power? Those who are a part of this, whether they believe it will succeed or not... if it does succeed, those people will know. They will know that they have power. Real power, to change things. To control the world around them.

For too long, people have been taught: you cannot change thing. Governments. Economy. School. All of these things teach us: These are the methods by which we can change the world, but! They will never work.

That is why England and America are stuck in this rut of opinion that no matter what we do, we can't change things. Who bothers to vote? The politicians are all the same anyway. Who bothers with petitions? They'll just end up in the bin, unread.

This movement is a minor thing. An unimportant thing, about toy soldiers in a game for children and fringers, and yet... with it, we can prove that we have the power to change the world.

So gather your wits. Your credit cards. Your email clients. Prepare yourself and put in your diary this day. The Fourth of March. And from then until eternity, let that day be known as the day you controlled Games Workshop.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
So gather your wits. Your credit cards. Your email clients. Prepare yourself and put in your diary this day. The Fourth of March. And from then until eternity, let that day be known as the day you made Games Workshop management laugh really hard while you gave them the content of your wallet.


Fixed for you.

Seriously, this is silly. I'm all for fighting spirit and defending your convictions and all that, but complaining about the practices and/or decisions of a certain company by buying the products of said company is as childish as it sounds. Wake up, the real world doesn't work like that.

You wanna tell GW you want some new sisters models? Wait until another company releases a "not-SoB" model line and buy them. That's voting with your wallet.

Progress is like a herd of pigs: everybody is interested in the produced benefits, but nobody wants to deal with all the resulting gak.

GW customers deserve every bit of outrageous princing they get. 
   
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 Korinov wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:
So gather your wits. Your credit cards. Your email clients. Prepare yourself and put in your diary this day. The Fourth of March. And from then until eternity, let that day be known as the day you made Games Workshop management laugh really hard while you gave them the content of your wallet.


Fixed for you.

Seriously, this is silly. I'm all for fighting spirit and defending your convictions and all that, but complaining about the practices and/or decisions of a certain company by buying the products of said company is as childish as it sounds. Wake up, the real world doesn't work like that.

You wanna tell GW you want some new sisters models? Wait until another company releases a "not-SoB" model line and buy them. That's voting with your wallet.


And the above will have achieved exactly what we want

Make GW Management laugh really hard?

That is like the perfect goal for this appeal. It is simply to bring attention and make the range of players noticed. If management makes it a running joke, then our job is done. We will have had the attention that this faction requires.

Why would undermining GW have ANY effect? How would they notice sales of other products?
A simple purchase (it's like spare change unless you are too young to have a job) made by so many people will bring much more attention. It will be noticed (i can tell already) and that is all we want.

Plus i get another Sister with Meltagun. I needed one more. Hardly a pile of gold

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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 Furyou Miko wrote:

To all the other people who say 'It won't work' or 'I don't hold out much hope'...

Where is your fighting spirit? Where is your thirst for power? Those who are a part of this, whether they believe it will succeed or not... if it does succeed, those people will know. They will know that they have power. Real power, to change things. To control the world around them.

For too long, people have been taught: you cannot change thing. Governments. Economy. School. All of these things teach us: These are the methods by which we can change the world, but! They will never work.

That is why England and America are stuck in this rut of opinion that no matter what we do, we can't change things. Who bothers to vote? The politicians are all the same anyway. Who bothers with petitions? They'll just end up in the bin, unread.

This movement is a minor thing. An unimportant thing, about toy soldiers in a game for children and fringers, and yet... with it, we can prove that we have the power to change the world.

So gather your wits. Your credit cards. Your email clients. Prepare yourself and put in your diary this day. The Fourth of March. And from then until eternity, let that day be known as the day you controlled Games Workshop.

It's not about fighting spirit, it's about the idea that this proposal will have the opposite effect of the one desired.



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I am in!

 
   
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 MWHistorian wrote:
 Furyou Miko wrote:

To all the other people who say 'It won't work' or 'I don't hold out much hope'...

Where is your fighting spirit? Where is your thirst for power? Those who are a part of this, whether they believe it will succeed or not... if it does succeed, those people will know. They will know that they have power. Real power, to change things. To control the world around them.

For too long, people have been taught: you cannot change thing. Governments. Economy. School. All of these things teach us: These are the methods by which we can change the world, but! They will never work.

That is why England and America are stuck in this rut of opinion that no matter what we do, we can't change things. Who bothers to vote? The politicians are all the same anyway. Who bothers with petitions? They'll just end up in the bin, unread.

This movement is a minor thing. An unimportant thing, about toy soldiers in a game for children and fringers, and yet... with it, we can prove that we have the power to change the world.

So gather your wits. Your credit cards. Your email clients. Prepare yourself and put in your diary this day. The Fourth of March. And from then until eternity, let that day be known as the day you controlled Games Workshop.

It's not about fighting spirit, it's about the idea that this proposal will have the opposite effect of the one desired.


But i really don't see how?
Even though we'd really have new plastic Sprues, i'd say that's just a wish, out of the main goal here: Getting attention for the Faction.

How many players have purchased a Sister of Battle model recently? 75% of the SoB players i know are just "waiting".
This is the chance for all of them, all of us, to show that "we are still waiting".

Here, lets buy a single (their cheapest) model to show you that there's a lot of us waiting.

That goal will be achieved
Regardless of the release of a new Codex, new models, or just simply "Attention" to the range, which might or might not be at all influenced by this appeal.

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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Because we're dealing with GW and they'll see people buying overpriced metal minis and they'll think that selling minis at that price does indeed work.



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 MWHistorian wrote:
Because we're dealing with GW and they'll see people buying overpriced metal minis and they'll think that selling minis at that price does indeed work.


It might hike up the price of their products, yes, that is a possibility... Very much doubt it though, as i do not think it'll have much of an effect past them running out of stock.
Then they'd have to re-mould some miniatures. Again, I doubt they'd cast any more metal models when they got rid of all of them via Finecast and then even ditching that....
Or they make more Sisters in metal forever.... and we all know how that is currently working for them

1 model per person is not going to make a difference for anyone but them, lol

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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. 
   
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When i firts saw this i was like "meh thats is a nonesenseless", but you know what, fk it i going to buy that beauty of canoness, because i love the figure and i need a another female inquisitor
I dont care if it work or not, nobody loose here, you get a nice model, they get money, bad if you are givin money for nothing, like a funding or something like that, and ai dont think that this gonna end in a crazy rise in the prices, the internet had just stereotype GW so much that people think they gonna make something stupid because, you know, they are GW...

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