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Helps also that destroyer weapons ignore FNP regardless. The wraithcannons being s10 and knock off D3 on a 2-5 is just gravy.


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DaPino wrote:


So your arguement boils down to: buy another army.

Well blimey, why didn't I think of that. Next time I crush someone with a highly competitive list, I'll just tell him to feth off because he should have bought a spass muhrine invisible centurion deathstar instead of CSM. That'll teach him for not buying a flavour of the month army every time it gets released.

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Or just turn down the suck, stop being bad a dice and stop bitching about things that counter your gak.

I recently fought a Warhost + regular cad which essentially had 2 wk and 15 wraith guard among compulsory troops n hq while I used my CSM.

I had 3x3 obliterators and a bunch of worthless units such as cultists and drakes.

Turn one I unload 9 lascannons into one wk and it survives with 3 wounds due to me missing a few shots and it making its invulnerability saves. He moves up and shoots stuffs and kills a few of my oblitz and cultists. Turn 2 my drakes comes in and fakls to do much of anything with their flamers since there is so much high toughness and invulnerability saves. I tried to shoot off my 7 assault cannons on my obliterators hoping for rending shots but failed. His turn 2 he charges with his wk and I snap shot off 5 twinlinked meltaguns from 2 squads of oblitz being charged and get a few hits but his darn shiny shield blinds everything within 6" as he makes all his invulnerability saves. His 2 knights had glaives n sun shields and proceeds to strike with 5 Str D attacks and stomp all my ws1 oblitz to death. My oblitz had to hit on 6s due to blind and essentially failed to land any wounds in combat and were out right killed or swept in combat. Only 1 pair of oblitz left being 12" away. All My cultists were sweept in combat. Fearing being tabled, I entered my drakes into hover so they dont go off the board into reserves due to 18" min movement a d 90°. It did not mattered as his remaining wraith guards and wraith lords shot my remaing ground forces of 2 oblitz to death and scatter lasers stripped the hull points off my drakes. It was game over.

So what am I trying to say is, even if you had lascannons, its still not good enough compared to the gladius and grav gun cheese.

Is anyone else shocked that about 70% of this thread lists things that the Eldar get in spades as OP?

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Is anyone else shocked that about 70% of this thread lists things that the Eldar get in spades as OP?

No.

I actually think the decurion isn't that OP, since your damage output is relatively low, and you lose obsec. Last game I played with them, I got thoroughly mauled by Grey Knights - I have no psychic defence, Force weapons get around RP, and a Dreadknight swept my lychguard/zahndrek unit (he got ID'd - Dreadknights are characters so they can challenge - and the rest of the unit ran away).

Eldar, OTOH, are bust in spades. Whoever thought the Wraithknight should be upgraded to a GMC, available in multiples, and cost at least 100pts less than it should do, is a fuckmuppet of the highest order.

zerosignal wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Is anyone else shocked that about 70% of this thread lists things that the Eldar get in spades as OP?

No.

I actually think the decurion isn't that OP, since your damage output is relatively low, and you lose obsec.

Damage output does not matter when you table the other guy because your army does not go down.

Mmm... unkillable footspam.

Reminds me of 5E Plague Marines...

zerosignal wrote:


I actually think the decurion isn't that OP, since your damage output is relatively low,

There really isn't anything wrong with a Decurion's damage output. Sure, it may not be tossing D weapons around, but neither are more other armies. A Decurion is going to be tossing around more than adequate firepower, particularly when it's not degraded at anything near the rate of other armies, and much of it can be put to both anti-personnel and anti-tank use.

and you lose obsec.

Which is a very situational bonus, and doesn't seem big enough to stop 99% of Necron players from running Decurion's exclusively, and there's a reason for that.

Speaking of ObSec. I've never had a game where it mattered in the slightest. I just stick down whatever I want, and get tabled by T3. Unless it's a small game, in which case, I get tabled by T4.

For me, 40k seems to rely a lot more on tabling than objectives.

I've absolutely noticed far more tablings and board wipes in this edition than any other, particularly since paradigm shift in codex design in January.

 Vaktathi wrote:

zerosignal wrote:


I actually think the decurion isn't that OP, since your damage output is relatively low,

There really isn't anything wrong with a Decurion's damage output. Sure, it may not be tossing D weapons around, but neither are more other armies. A Decurion is going to be tossing around more than adequate firepower, particularly when it's not degraded at anything near the rate of other armies, and much of it can be put to both anti-personnel and anti-tank use.

and you lose obsec.

Which is a very situational bonus, and doesn't seem big enough to stop 99% of Necron players from running Decurion's exclusively, and there's a reason for that.

The Decurion's damage output is almost all 24", though.

 Vaktathi wrote:

zerosignal wrote:


I actually think the decurion isn't that OP, since your damage output is relatively low,

There really isn't anything wrong with a Decurion's damage output. Sure, it may not be tossing D weapons around, but neither are more other armies. A Decurion is going to be tossing around more than adequate firepower, particularly when it's not degraded at anything near the rate of other armies, and much of it can be put to both anti-personnel and anti-tank use.

and you lose obsec.

Which is a very situational bonus, and doesn't seem big enough to stop 99% of Necron players from running Decurion's exclusively, and there's a reason for that.

Eh, lately I've started to think that the Decurion isn't really all that OP in the grand scheme of things. With the addition of Admech and friends, Eldar and Space Marines being updated for some reason, 2+ rerollable Jinks, and Imperial Knights running around everywhere, Decurion isn't that bad.

Plus, Sisters, Tau, and Orks still do rather well against Necrons. Even Dark Eldar, depending on the list.