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@paulson games: that is a bit like what happened to me recently...
a guy didn't like my partner, so called immigration on me...
i had to spend 10 days in jail waiting to get deported...
a week later i was back in Mexico with a new visa...
the guy who turned me in, plus the immigration officials that snatched me up, were pissed to see me back with the right papers, but they couldn't do anything about it...

getting deported sucks, but it happens...
any little discrepancy is jumped on hard...

@Stormwall: TSA is one thing, but US Customs is a whole other level of bad attitude...
give someone a gun, and they suddenly think they are a badass...
US Customs have always been a hassle, in my experience, even as an American...

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 jah-joshua wrote:
@paulson games: that is a bit like what happened to me recently...
a guy didn't like my partner, so called immigration on me...
i had to spend 10 days in jail waiting to get deported...
a week later i was back in Mexico with a new visa...
the guy who turned me in, plus the immigration officials that snatched me up, were pissed to see me back with the right papers, but they couldn't do anything about it...

getting deported sucks, but it happens...
any little discrepancy is jumped on hard...

@Stormwall: TSA is one thing, but US Customs is a whole other level of bad attitude...
give someone a gun, and they suddenly think they are a badass...
US Customs have always been a hassle, in my experience, even as an American...

cheers
jah


Did your partner not have the right documentation?

   
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@Alpharius: my partner had the right papers, and our shop did, but i had an out of date visa...
the guy working at a rival business next door knew he couldn't do anything against her, or the shop, so i got targeted:(...
it was one of those situations where you think you are talking with a friend, but they turn out to be an enemy, because he had beef with my girlfriend/partner...
luckily, a week and a half in jail, and a free trip back to L.A. doesn't phase me...

losing my girlfriend, my house, my pets, and my shop, when i got back did suck...
she was so pissed at me for getting deported, that i got cut off from everything...
oh well, life likes to throw hurdles like that in front of me all the time...
i just carry on enjoying myself, surfing and painting commissions...

cheers
jah

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 Desubot wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
In order of likelyhood:

1) Natkfa pulling stuff out of his rear for his tabloid

2) Border guy power-tripping

3) GW paperwor screwup


One of each please


Exalted! Also, at Jah... Customs is just as bad, if not worse than the TSA.

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@Stormwall: exactly...
it is the Customs people that the GW guys would have been turned away by...
they love to flex their power...

TSA basically just tells you to throw your drinks away when passing through security, and searches for explosives...
oh, and they make sure you don't have any of those highly deadly nail clippers...

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 Mymearan wrote:
 Fishboy wrote:
Sounds to me like GW was finally treated the same way they treat their customer base. No sympathy for them.
@reds8nt. In that picture it looks like the GW backdrop display is falling down. Is it designed that way or falling apart?


Jesus Christ, these are just some poor people who work at GW and were thrown out of the the country because some admin missed their morning coffee and made a mistake... This has nothing to do with GW as a company or their games. But of course any opportunity to gak on GW can't be missed, got to get some more "otiose", "forge the narrative" and "marketing research" "jokes" in there and laugh and pat each other on the back.
As someone who has been stuck in a crappy airport for days because of a feth up that wasn't my fault.... I have no sympathy for the "poor people who work at GW" and laughed slightly when I first read it

Yeah, it probably just came down to some random admin error, but it's just the sort of admin error you expect from a company that likes to start litigation against other companies without even knowing what they have trademarked and copyrighted, the sort of company that releases rules without proof reading them and doesn't even correct mistakes from one edition to the next and so on and so forth. It may not be a direct reflection on the company, but it's one of those things you think "couldn't have happened to a more deserving company" sort of things.

If it had of been an individual person on their holidays getting deported on a simple mistake, sure, I'd feel sorry for them. Even if it was a representative of a small company who was struggling to pay the airfare to begin with and struggling to maintain a stall at the convention, yeah, I'd feel sorry for them.

But this is a group of people from a company that has over $180 million yearly revenue, employs hundreds of people globally and presents themselves as the kid who has grown too big for their own boots.... yeah... I can't help but giggle.


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 jah-joshua wrote:
@Alpharius: my partner had the right papers, and our shop did, but i had an out of date visa...
Do you normally expect to get through customs with an out of date visa? That seems to be one of the things customs from most countries are quite pedantic about, they don't want people outstaying the welcome prescribed by their visas.

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I feel bad for the actual employees who got deported/sent home.

I do not feel bad at all for GW, and enjoy the stupid mistake that led to it.

These two things are quite possible to do together.

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 Stormwall wrote:
This thread title reads like a buzzfeed article.



Pretty much. It's unfortunate, but stuff happens lol.

   
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Nuwisha wrote:
I feel bad for the actual employees who got deported/sent home.
I don't really feel all that bad for them, half of what makes this sort of stuff stressful is not knowing what might happen, perhaps being on your own, having invested a lot of your personal time and money, potentially losing money if you aren't able to work or aren't able to show up to man the stall at the convention.

The GW guys are still getting paid, they are there as a group (which massively reduces the stress in such situations), they have other people they can call on to man the stalls and overall a lot of the things that makes getting stuck like that distressing isn't going to affect them.

The only person I feel bad for is the poor bastard who made the error in the first place, he or she is probably feeling like gak at the moment.

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Can't you visit the U.S. from a civilized country (not Africa, Russia, India,etc) without needing a VISA for three months.

I do the same as a U.S. citizen to the UK
   
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DorianGray wrote:
Can't you visit the U.S. from a civilized country (not Africa, Russia, India,etc) without needing a VISA for three months.

I do the same as a U.S. citizen to the UK
It's been a while since I travelled to the USA using the VWP, but from what I remember, even though you don't need a visa you still need to register for the visa waiver program, you can't just rock up in the country.
   
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jah-joshua wrote:
oh well, life likes to throw hurdles like that in front of me all the time...
i just carry on enjoying myself, surfing and painting commissions...



This is a great attitude to have towards life

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Mymearan wrote:
 Fishboy wrote:
Sounds to me like GW was finally treated the same way they treat their customer base. No sympathy for them.
@reds8nt. In that picture it looks like the GW backdrop display is falling down. Is it designed that way or falling apart?


Jesus Christ, these are just some poor people who work at GW and were thrown out of the the country because some admin missed their morning coffee and made a mistake... This has nothing to do with GW as a company or their games. But of course any opportunity to gak on GW can't be missed, got to get some more "otiose", "forge the narrative" and "marketing research" "jokes" in there and laugh and pat each other on the back.
As someone who has been stuck in a crappy airport for days because of a feth up that wasn't my fault.... I have no sympathy for the "poor people who work at GW" and laughed slightly when I first read it

Yeah, it probably just came down to some random admin error, but it's just the sort of admin error you expect from a company that likes to start litigation against other companies without even knowing what they have trademarked and copyrighted, the sort of company that releases rules without proof reading them and doesn't even correct mistakes from one edition to the next and so on and so forth. It may not be a direct reflection on the company, but it's one of those things you think "couldn't have happened to a more deserving company" sort of things.


Yep, it's a bit of karma, which is probably why there are a few Nelson 'Ha Ha' type comments. It's just a shame it's 'collateral damage' and has bounced back at individuals who would have had nothing to do with launching legal attacks on fan sites, Spots the Space Marine or Chapterhouse.

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 Stormwall wrote:
This thread title reads like a buzzfeed article.



Then it would be

"GW Team Arrives in USA for GenCon. What Happens Next Will Astound You!"

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Mymearan wrote:
 Fishboy wrote:
Sounds to me like GW was finally treated the same way they treat their customer base. No sympathy for them.
@reds8nt. In that picture it looks like the GW backdrop display is falling down. Is it designed that way or falling apart?


Jesus Christ, these are just some poor people who work at GW and were thrown out of the the country because some admin missed their morning coffee and made a mistake... This has nothing to do with GW as a company or their games. But of course any opportunity to gak on GW can't be missed, got to get some more "otiose", "forge the narrative" and "marketing research" "jokes" in there and laugh and pat each other on the back.
As someone who has been stuck in a crappy airport for days because of a feth up that wasn't my fault.... I have no sympathy for the "poor people who work at GW" and laughed slightly when I first read it

Yeah, it probably just came down to some random admin error, but it's just the sort of admin error you expect from a company that likes to start litigation against other companies without even knowing what they have trademarked and copyrighted, the sort of company that releases rules without proof reading them and doesn't even correct mistakes from one edition to the next and so on and so forth. It may not be a direct reflection on the company, but it's one of those things you think "couldn't have happened to a more deserving company" sort of things.

If it had of been an individual person on their holidays getting deported on a simple mistake, sure, I'd feel sorry for them. Even if it was a representative of a small company who was struggling to pay the airfare to begin with and struggling to maintain a stall at the convention, yeah, I'd feel sorry for them.

But this is a group of people from a company that has over $180 million yearly revenue, employs hundreds of people globally and presents themselves as the kid who has grown too big for their own boots.... yeah... I can't help but giggle.


Not saying you can't laugh, or that you can't find it funny... But theres no reason for schadenfreude or hostility. Some people are way too serious about the "evil empire" stuff (not talking about you obviously).

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This kind of thing is just a mistake, do you really think a company would deliberately send employees using the wrong visas? It would just mean they waste money sending people to America for twenty minutes.

I've heard American customs are the most horrible and obnoxious in the world. I know they're trying to defend their country but they don't have to be morons about it.

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 Pacific wrote:
And to think we are meant to be a bastion of liberty, it boggles the fething mind.


You are? I never knew.

From where does the idea of the UK as a bastion of liberty come from? some 1800-s thinker?

The tea-pot strategy of the police during riots in London, police shootings of people on the subway, brutal and oppressive enclaves of oriental immigrants, sharia courts and camera orwellian nightmare of London as well as few civil liberties such as being allowed to own more than a single shotgun always made me think of UK as a rather authoritarian democracy. Going back all the way to churchills use of soldiers against strikers, the maggie era strikes and of course the whole police/soldier state of affair in Northern Ireland.

Not being sarcastic here, just wondering where the stereotype of UK liberty comes from?


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 Mymearan wrote:


Not saying you can't laugh, or that you can't find it funny... But theres no reason for schadenfreude or hostility. Some people are way too serious about the "evil empire" stuff (not talking about you obviously).


US customs controll is not exactly run by the brightest bulbs in the chandelier... Its enough to mention that perhaps you'll study a little while there (meaning reading for your exam back home) and they'll deport you, no matter how much you try to convince them what you really ment. Meanwhile, people cross by the millions illegaly into the country and nothing is done.


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 jah-joshua wrote:

getting deported sucks, but it happens...
any little discrepancy is jumped on hard...

@Stormwall: TSA is one thing, but US Customs is a whole other level of bad attitude...
give someone a gun, and they suddenly think they are a badass...
US Customs have always been a hassle, in my experience, even as an American...


Can second this. Just stick to the same story consistently. Vacation vacation vacation if you are going to the us. Customs makes TSA look like mall security in comparison in bad attitude.

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@Skink: it depends on the country, really...
over 25 years of globetrotting, i've overstayed my visa in a few countries...
some places, like Holland, Mexico, and Italy, it wasn't an issue...
other countries, like Costa Rica, and a lot of other Latin nations, they are happy to charge a fee and let you leave...
other places like Japan and New Zealand, there are strong repercussions to overstaying, so i make sure to leave on the right date...
the Germans are sticklers, too, unsurprisingly...

coming back into America, US Customs doesn't check the visas that Americans travelled with, just your Declaration Form about what you are bringing back in...
for foreigners, though, it's a different story...
the USA is very strict, especially since 2001...

i sure as hell wasn't expecting to get turned in over someone else's beef, but i'm not saying i was surprised to be deported once Mexican Immigration nabbed me...
Mexico is slowly changing, and becoming tighter...
up until 2005, an American tourist didn't need a passport to enter, let alone a visa...
now you need a passport and visa, but if you walk back across the border, the Mexican authorities don't even check you on the way out...
you do need a valid visa to leave on a plane, though...
after 30 years of surf trips to Mexico, and growing up with all the corruption and lawlessness there, i was pretty dismissive of their "rules", and in the end paid the price for that...

so yeah, some places are a lot more lax than others...
the USA, however, is quite strict these days, so i wouldn't be surprised if this story is true...
hopefully, they were just turned around on the next flight out, and nobody got in any real trouble...
if they were held for any amount of time at the airport cells, at least that would be nicer than Mexican jail...

cheers
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jah-joshua wrote:
if they were held for any amount of time at the airport cells, at least that would be nicer than Mexican jail...

Can you verify that? American prisons (unlike those in civilised countries) are afterall known as rape and gang centrals.
   
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having had the dubious privilege of visiting a few jail cells around the world, yes, i can say that an airport holding cell is much nicer than a Mexican jail...
boredom is the biggest issue in a holding cell...
now, U.S. county, state, and federal prisons are a different story...

i'll let the "civilized countries" dig slide, but i'm sure someone will be along to take offence shortly...

cheers
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