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 Souleater wrote:
@HBMC: Purely anecdotal but my experience across several groups over the last decade - I'm seen more as a Games Master running a bunch of villains to be mown down at range and beaten snotless in assault for the enjoyment of the Protagonist than a fellow gamer.

GW seem to agree with that. Orks get more attacks on the charge than a four armed 'stealer for IIRC half the points, just as one example.

Heck, 'stealers have a sprue full of upgrade heads that they couldn't be bothered doing anything with last time I checked.

I wouldn't be that bothered if we simply got a new codex with no model releases.

And at the same time, Tau have the ability to;

Move 6" ---> Shoot (With long range, cumbersome rifles with excellent accuracy) ---> Run 6" ---> (Some then have the ability to move during the Assault phase)

IN THE SAME TIME IT TAKES AN ORK TO;

Move 6" ---> Run 6" or shoot like a slow.

Seriously GW?

I don't care about anything but a 5++ on the friggin Tyrants and other MCs. Maybe a 4++ on the Tyrant because it needs it.

If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it.

This is exactly why GW don't announce things more than a few days before release. They want your impulse-purchases, but not at the cost of your normal, planned consumption of plastic crack.

I bet there are quite a few miserable Nid players that bought the Malfunctor/Toxicreme kit before they read the rules.

 mazik765 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

You are infact wrong.

The stompas mega choppa is strength D so the orks have some strength D just no shooting. Don't think space wolves have any strength D, might be wrong. But wolves came after orks i think.

 Souleater wrote:
@HBMC: Purely anecdotal but my experience across several groups over the last decade - I'm seen more as a Games Master running a bunch of villains to be mown down at range and beaten snotless in assault for the enjoyment of the Protagonist than a fellow gamer.

GW seem to agree with that. Orks get more attacks on the charge than a four armed 'stealer for IIRC half the points, just as one example.

Heck, 'stealers have a sprue full of upgrade heads that they couldn't be bothered doing anything with last time I checked.

I wouldn't be that bothered if we simply got a new codex with no model releases.

Yeah, I've said it before -- to get inside the studio's head, you have to think about things from a narrative viewpoint. Tyranids obviously aren't the hero of the story, but they also aren't a proper villain in the same way as Chaos, DE, Orks, etc. can be. They're a faceless, amoral force of nature to be overcome.

And that's why in the game a mighty Trygon can be killed by a force thumbtack, while human(-ish) heroes get access to a rule that lets them stand at ground zero of a Typhon's Dreadhammer cannon blast and only take a single wound. With rules like Eternal Warrior, it's not about realism or gameplay or balance...it's about creating those narrative moments in games where heroes get to be heroic.

That's why we aren't going to get gribblies or even medium creatures that bolters can't mow down like grass. That's why we aren't going to get MCs that can't get beat down by human(-ish) heroes doing heroic things. GW wants those narrative, cinematic moments in games, and Tyranids are naturally on the other side of that. It is what it is.

As a longtime Tyranid player, I've become resigned to the fact that I'm going to get some really nice looking models, that the attractiveness of the rules for said models will be a crapshoot, and that each new codex will drive Tyranid army composition in a completely different thematic direction.

I don't expect some of the awful Leviathan MCs to get fixed. They were obviously doubleplusungood from the beginning, and we should assume GW is fine with them that way. And I don't think we're going to get fixes for all the underwhelming gribblies and medium creatures. I do, however, expect a bugcurion that provides huge benefits so long as players build their armies in a very specific way.

Yes, this does sound a bit negative coming from me, but it's on GW to prove me wrong at this point. In a few months, I fully expect the cry to be:

Codex: Winged Tyrants is dead! All hail Codex: Bugcurion!

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it. I have a hard time believing they'll be getting an updated model with "new weapon options" when they already have 4. Why would they get a new kit and not Hormagaunts?

Do you remember that one kid in school whose uncle 'worked for Nintendo' and knew how to get the full Triforce and had to tell everyone about it? That's Larry Vela / BOLS. The only difference is that he wants pages hits instead of attention.

Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

 daemonish wrote:
Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

I expect Q1 but the small format & paperback are still available.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Tyranids-Small-Format

 daemonish wrote:
Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

Yeah, seeing as November is almost done. I'm getting confused trying to keep all these rumoured releases straight. Nidve3mber? CSM? AM/IG in the new year? And where does AoS and the new HHBC and related stuff fit in? Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

-C6

 ceorron wrote:

 mazik765 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

You are infact wrong.

The stompas mega choppa is strength D so the orks have some strength D just no shooting. Don't think space wolves have any strength D, might be wrong. But wolves came after orks i think.

Stompa has literally always had that Str D melee attack. Stompa was just officially codex'd in, its not new in fact its been nerfed.

Ork dex felt like to me they wanted to bring 40k into a more well-rounded manor since they have very little glaring problems to me, but have no overpowered gak either. That opinion went right out the window with the next few releases and i have once again shelved my orks.
However orks did get a Str D shooting attack. SAG boxcars is a Str D Vortex now instead of removes models, which is actually much stronger and removes any rule conflicts people loved to argue about with the old one. Not like i'd call that a legit Str D though since ive YET to roll that with the new dex.

It felt like they completely flipped their mentality after the ork dex, including with increasing squad sizes everywhere. Deffdredds would have benefited hugely from that.

anyway this is about nids.

I honestly wouldnt expect any non-psyker based Str D shooting in the codex, but i would be surprised if their rumored GMC doesnt have D melee attacks. Theyre more shooty than Orks but theyre still a melee army. And i swear to god if that GMC is easier to kill than my storm surge what the fething hell GW lol. Tyranid MCs/GMCs shouldnt be the easiest to kill period. Even my Ghostkeel is way more durable than a flyrant and thats just wrong.

Is there any valid rumor to Nidvember? Any new info on kits?

nope.

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it. I have a hard time believing they'll be getting an updated model with "new weapon options" when they already have 4. Why would they get a new kit and not Hormagaunts?

Which Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals are you talking about?

each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

iNcontroL wrote:
each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

Keep reaching for that rainbow, novembers not finished yet!

Joyboozer wrote:

iNcontroL wrote:
each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

Keep reaching for that rainbow, novembers not finished yet!

It might as well be. We have new Archaon, new Tau, new Asta Militarium, but no new Tyranid rumors. If they're really supposed to be released Q1 2016, we still have 4 months.

Going to close this for now.

I'm sure the Hivemind will have its moment.