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 MacPhail wrote:
I'm way more familiar with a Timmy variant that has the models but not the attitude. I often run into these guys in pickup games at the GW.

They aren't WAAC type guys, but they acquire and include the most powerful models on cool factor alone. The Stormsurge is just the shiniest new thing and they're determined to use it in a 1500 point casual game against someone they just met. Its almost as though the casual low-stakes nature of a pickup game makes them care less about balancing the sides. These guys will ask in all seriousness if anyone minds playing their 5-knight list, as if they wouldn't dream of playing it in a REAL game, but since we're just goofing off, why not?

They aren't notorious cheaters, but since a unit's cool factor and reputation (rather than strategy) drives their purchasing, they may be a bit fuzzy on the rules or exactly how it fits in their force.

They also aren't masterful tacticians because their army tends to be cobbled together from glitzy high-profile units without much top-down planning. They've never had to cut their teeth on an underpowered force, nor did they lovingly build it up from an HQ and 2 Troops.. They can be a little surprised when they lose to someone's superior tactics or more cohesively planned force, but they generally aren't jerks about it.

For the record, I have no problem playing these guys... I take it as a challenge and occasionally give them a shock and something to think about in terms of a coherent army build and solid tactical plan. It gives me a taste of units and formations I'll probably face in my more serious club games. As long as they aren't whiners or cheats, bring it on.

my whole meta bar 2 people is this.

With the two people being a Grey Knights player and an on/off Space Wolves/Slaanesh CSM player, and they still put up a good fight.

SNAAAAKE wrote:

 MacPhail wrote:
I'm way more familiar with a Timmy variant that has the models but not the attitude. I often run into these guys in pickup games at the GW.

They aren't WAAC type guys, but they acquire and include the most powerful models on cool factor alone. The Stormsurge is just the shiniest new thing and they're determined to use it in a 1500 point casual game against someone they just met. Its almost as though the casual low-stakes nature of a pickup game makes them care less about balancing the sides. These guys will ask in all seriousness if anyone minds playing their 5-knight list, as if they wouldn't dream of playing it in a REAL game, but since we're just goofing off, why not?

They aren't notorious cheaters, but since a unit's cool factor and reputation (rather than strategy) drives their purchasing, they may be a bit fuzzy on the rules or exactly how it fits in their force.

They also aren't masterful tacticians because their army tends to be cobbled together from glitzy high-profile units without much top-down planning. They've never had to cut their teeth on an underpowered force, nor did they lovingly build it up from an HQ and 2 Troops.. They can be a little surprised when they lose to someone's superior tactics or more cohesively planned force, but they generally aren't jerks about it.

For the record, I have no problem playing these guys... I take it as a challenge and occasionally give them a shock and something to think about in terms of a coherent army build and solid tactical plan. It gives me a taste of units and formations I'll probably face in my more serious club games. As long as they aren't whiners or cheats, bring it on.

my whole meta bar 2 people is this.

With the two people being a Grey Knights player and an on/off Space Wolves/Slaanesh CSM player, and they still put up a good fight.

I buy my models purely on cool factor, and if they happened to be powerful, then that's an unintended (if welcome) side effect. As it turns out, 8 Dragoons, while it looks boss, isn't a competitive addition to a Skitarii force. They have yet to make up even half the points they cost, but I keep fielding them... even though they're a PITA to get on the table from outflank with those huge bases...

I think Timmy should be a new staple in the 40k linguist. It fits so well and most of us has come across a timmy once or twice. It's a special tfg.

I knew a Timmy a long time ago, around the time Apocalypse first came out. I always avoided playing the guy untill this one time when we had an apoc match togheter. Timmy would grab nothing but the special characters of diffrent codexes and put them in his army because it was fluffy. If it didn't have a special character, it was a tank. There where many tanks as well and 3 baneblades (this was pre-knights). All this stuff is fine according to the old apoc rules but I do remmember the feeling of facing so many unexpected toys, in particular the special characters horde, as being a bit "wtf...". The fluff in question was that it really was all the special characters, they'd just fallen to chaos and banded togheter. Luckily we won the game due to some highlarious guard plays by my friend whos one squad of imperial guard vets with shotguns and Harker outflanked, raced in, cleared an objective and won the game for us at the last turn. I never played that guy again.

It's not a Timmy or 40k but here's a case study of a TFG: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Luke

 Purifier wrote:
I buy my models purely on cool factor, and if they happened to be powerful, then that's an unintended (if welcome) side effect. As it turns out, 8 Dragoons, while it looks boss, isn't a competitive addition to a Skitarii force. They have yet to make up even half the points they cost, but I keep fielding them... even though they're a PITA to get on the table from outflank with those huge bases...

Same. You know what's cool? Bloodcrushers. What's even cooler? Using AoS Skullcrushers with B@C backpacks to model as Berzerkers riding Juggernauts. Awesome! Unfortunately the rules are pretty bad and they rarely do much. But I field them anyway, because they look sweet with my Juggernaut lord.

My group doesn't really have a Timmy in the sense that he's a cheater or a bad sport or anything, but we have one guy who is a bit of a powergamer, more so than the rest of us. He started with one of the top tier codices, branched out a little into one of the still strong, but not ridiculous factions, and then sold them when he never won with them. Net lists for days. Brought a world-tournament winning list to an intro game when the group started playing another system. He's not a bad guy by any means, but when he plays, he definitely plays to win hard, which isn't a bad thing at all but does stick out a little bit in our group and has caused some friction.

Not that I'm immune to it myself. I'll absolutely bring 2 Flyrants with a Malanthrope and a Crone to a game, but usually only at 2000 pts and I also bring stuff like the Deathleaper formation and Warriors. I also never leave home without my Heldrake or Soul Grinder. But I try not to be a dick about any of it.

Well a slight update:
After Timmy's breaking it has now become standard among anyone who faces Timmy to demand a fully priced out list when they face him, which has not been often as Timmy has been notably absent over the past few weeks, after I broke him a second time - well, should that be finished him off.

However, all is not good. You see, myself and Timmy both have a friend who we shall call Gene (for reasons that will become clear). Gene is a cool guy, laid back and a player of several games. He likes to have friends over for Warhammer Quest, AoS, Bolt Action, X-Wing, etc, and is always friendly, laid back and generous with the tea.
Now, Gene recently expressed an interest in 40K and of course Timmy leapt upon this as a great opportunity for a three player game at 1250. Gene currently owns the Genestealer Cult and knows very little, so Timmy had the great idea that no Tanks or Barrages should be allowed within the game.
Fair enough, it sounds okay, and Gene has a lot of Genestealers and a Primarch from his Space Hulk box to help bring him up to 1250.
It was last Monday that Timmy let slip some of his list.
30K Deathguard, with a Legion Support squad with Flamers, Flamers on his Infantry, Flamers on just about everything. I think he was topping out at 14-15 flamers of various types, and that was just the bit he mentioned off hand. There is little I can do right now, as Gene is a good friend of Timmy and I dont want to be, well, an ass. However I have managed to get a beginners game against him and teach him how to face off against tanks and kill them, and warn him about Flamers.
The plan is to bring my Thunderer and let it deal with Timmy's flamer squad and other units.

Call him out on it in front of everyone. Shame him for list tailoring against a NEW player who just wants to learn the game, then either exclude him from the game between you and Gene this time or give him a chance to untailor his list (as in, bring some plas or heavy weapons, or anything but flamers).

(BTW, those aren't just flamers, they're chem flamers which means they have shred (at the cost of gaining "gets hot!") which is even more list tailoring against him by choosing DG.)

We are playing at Genes house so that ones out, but its a good idea.

Then talk to Gene about it, out him however you can to new players to prevent seal clubbing more or less.

Thanks, I will. In all honesty, either way I am probably going to end up allying with him, especially as Timmy has mentioned he may be bringing Typhon.

He can't unless it's less than or equal to 25% of his total points if it's a LoW. (which is 312.5pts at 1250, a typhoon is 395 base)

No, not the tank, Typhon the character.

I think he means Captain Typhon.

Man, all those Death Guard flamers and Captain Typhon against a new guy with just some Genecultists? I say give Gene an armored company full of blast templates and plasma vets to break this jerk's hobby.

Ahhh ok, yeah I assumed he meant the tank, which would murder G. cults too (S10 AP1 ignores cover, massive blast, av14 all around 6hp? ugh)

Well, he wants to replace Typhons barrage with the Deathguards Flamer attack, but have it one use so he isnt breaking the no barrage rules. More flamers against 'Stealer Cult [facepalm].
Ill be lending Gene some tanks at this rate.

Literally tell him to feth off with his cheese. Or swap armies with him as a "surprise" event. Let Gene play the DG...

Interesting observation (from my experience at least).

How often I've experienced the Timmy-type correlates directly to the type of tabletop game I've been playing.

40K - Timmy-rific and jam-packed with Timmy-Types.

Fantasy - Less of them, generally a nicer bunch.

Other games such as SAGA, Ronin, Frostgrave - I've yet to encounter a Timmy. They likely do exist somewhere but the playerbase seems unconcerned with winning at any cost and there just to have a good time.

Demon players who don't explain what crazy gak they are rolling for, or even show the rolls.

My local "Timmy" had a game against the manager of my store earlier. It was a thing to behold with the tantrum, the sulking, the accusations of cheating (there was an invisible Knight) and general bad play. I never would've thought two knights, a stormraven and a librarian would do that well.

pm713 wrote:
My local "Timmy" had a game against the manager of my store earlier. It was a thing to behold with the tantrum, the sulking, the accusations of cheating (there was an invisible Knight) and general bad play. I never would've thought two knights, a stormraven and a librarian would do that well.

I would have paid to see that

I'd love to play against timmy with my tau and yank back all the stops. I think my Tournie list would give him a nice rough time. I'd leave out the skyray tho, and instead invest in a stormsurge. No tanks? No tank shock. Time to drop anchor then.

Inb4 tanks markerlights pulse guns and battle suits are op, eh?

Someone should find a timmy, and use their own codex against them - play the same army and win. Then when they say "that's op and unfair" you can point at the same thing in their army and watch as they implode on themselves.

 Jaxler wrote:
I'd love to play against timmy with my tau and yank back all the stops. I think my Tournie list would give him a nice rough time. I'd leave out the skyray tho, and instead invest in a stormsurge. No tanks? No tank shock. Time to drop anchor then.

Inb4 tanks markerlights pulse guns and battle suits are op, eh?

My Ta'unar would like a word with him. Then also two stormsurges.

 Selym wrote:
Someone should find a timmy, and use their own codex against them - play the same army and win. Then when they say "that's op and unfair" you can point at the same thing in their army and watch as they implode on themselves.

This is one of the better suggestions to deal with a timmy.

Literally copy their army point for point and play them. Any complaints reflect perfectly on themselves

 Otto Weston wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Someone should find a timmy, and use their own codex against them - play the same army and win. Then when they say "that's op and unfair" you can point at the same thing in their army and watch as they implode on themselves.

This is one of the better suggestions to deal with a timmy.

Literally copy their army point for point and play them. Any complaints reflect perfectly on themselves

"I rolled really bad and the scenery was set up so that it favoured you."

 Purifier wrote:
"I rolled really bad and the scenery was set up so that it favoured you."

That moment when someone still hasn't realised that Warhammer is a game of chance...

That moment when you realise that after the launch of 6E player decisions in battle had no effect on the game

Player decision will always have an impact on the game, even if it's just selecting the best target per turn.

 Verviedi wrote:
Player decision will always have an impact on the game, even if it's just selecting the best target per turn.

If before the start pf the game, when both armies have been deployed, you can call the result of the battle and then run the game only to have the result match the prediction 9 times out of 10, you have a game where player decisions do not matter.

Are you seriously so bored and hateful that you'd pull out your calculator to decide who would win, instead of just enjoying the fething game? If it helps, that must be a "your local store is full of overcompetitive asshats" problem. I've never called a game before it starts unless one player is extremely experienced, and the other is a newbie, due to differences in player skill, because I routinely see games so close that calling it first turn is impossible at best and blatantly wrong at worst.

Martel732 wrote:
Demon players who don't explain what crazy gak they are rolling for, or even show the rolls.

Players who don't pay attention to daemon players who are rolling their gak

Me: Im rolling on the warpstorm tab...

Opponent:*Idly looks at phone and texts*

Me: Im rolling...

Opponent: *Still just in a daze, maybe commenting politely about another players model and being a pretty nice fella*

Me: Im rolling on the warpstorm table? *rolls dice and gets a 10*

Opponent: Huh?

Me: My daemons get a + 1 to all their invuln saves.

Opponent: *shoots me a suspicious glance and sighs*

I get it, we have a lot of tables, warlord trait, grimoire, warpstorm table, daemonic rewards, etc but I feel soooo bad when something like this happens, and it happens surprisingly often too, and its not like they arent at the table with me. Am I the only player who suffers this?