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Its been 200 years, if any of those ships do exist, Id expect them to be derelicts drifting through space.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:


Painted Shaltari.

It makes me think of spines, I wonder how it will look in bone color.

That.

Is.

Genius!!!

Oh man, would love to see some Shaltari done up in a scheme like that. Maybe with some green accents... I'm thinking almost Cryx-like.

I believe I read it somewhere but I can't find it now, so I'll ask to be sure:

Do all the ships we'll receive in the KS (starter fleets, free add ons, etc) already come with the fancy DFC bases or do you have to buy those separately?

they should all come with bases with the exception of the 'overscale' collector models

That's what I figured, but what's the point of having the bolt on for bases? Just to have extras?

I presume that's for people who want to bring their existing ship mini (eg FSA or Halo) into the game either as proxys or to build reistance units etc

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I presume that's for people who want to bring their existing ship mini (eg FSA or Halo) into the game either as proxys or to build reistance units etc

That makes sense. Thanks!

Now, just to hope there are more PHR pics before the end of the kickstarter to make the choice of PHR or UCM easier xD

 Theophony wrote:
Couldn't they come up with a ragtag fleet of ships with maybe one carrier or escort at its center to be a fleet escaping from alien occupancy. The fleet could be made of mining vessels, pleasure ships, and bulk transporters that tried to escape a captured world, and have gotten just minimal defensive capabilities. Perhaps some UCM forces defected to protect them and are on the run with their illegitimate government and could then still fight against the main faction. This galactic battle fleet could just be trying to find a new world for the survivors to live peacefully on, and are constantly being harassed by the big bad Cyl.........er........, wait I've seen this before, maybe it will happen again.

And they wouldn't survive ten seconds against the Scourge.
No plot armor here. Just hot plasma up the metaphorical exhaust.

jSewell wrote:
That's what I figured, but what's the point of having the bolt on for bases? Just to have extras?

Some of us just want them out of paranoia and desire for spares.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

Oh just use UCM and say they've been hijacked or requisitioned or something. You can always model them up however you like.

Hawk are not doing Resistance for Dropfleet Commander any time soon, and have no plans to, they've explained their justification and it's certainly an understandable one, that should be the end of it for the N&R thread. People don't derail the Forgeworld thread with "Well I really think Tyranids should have Leviathan Dreadnoughts too" discussions do they?

Hell, I love the Resistance and I already find it hard to justify why they would have the plentiful units they do, especially their air assets. 200 years of repairs and storage only get you so far when you can't simply manufacture and ship in more like the other factions can.

Yeah same here Aegis! Will be painting my Resistance choppers rusted up, at least

Desperately trying to find someone to split the £110 pledge with, moving to a new part of the country kinda sucks.

I'm personally interested to see whether any future releases for these are released on resin or plastic, have they given any indication?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Hell, I love the Resistance and I already find it hard to justify why they would have the plentiful units they do, especially their air assets. 200 years of repairs and storage only get you so far when you can't simply manufacture and ship in more like the other factions can.

Resistance space fleet concept art and 20x up model spotted? Could it be that Dave is working on the followup DZC scale DFC model to fight against his UCM one?

 winnertakesall wrote:
Desperately trying to find someone to split the £110 pledge with, moving to a new part of the country kinda sucks.

I'm personally interested to see whether any future releases for these are released on resin or plastic, have they given any indication?

According to the Q&A the Cruisers of all main types will be possible from the same plastic sprue, the KS-exclusive Battlecruisers will be resin addons for the sprue and Battleships will be pure resin. From the sounds of things anything other than the cruisers probably won't make it to plastic

It'd be really, really awesome if they could make a plastic battleship sprue in addition to the Cruisers and frigates. The worst part of the old BFG metal battleships was trying to balance the large heavy weight on top of a tiny plastic base post. I never had too much trouble with the bases on my cruisers breaking, but I've gone through dozens of the things on the battleships. I eventually gave up and just went with 3/16" steel rod. Now resin isn't quite as heavy, but plastic would still be a definite plus.

Yeah, I'd really love plastic battleships (or even dreadnoughts) too! They haven't given any indication of going that route for them, though. They will get great in their resin, of course, but you can't beat injection molded plastic (would also help with the price point for those big ships...)

I got around the giant metal battleship problem in BFG by just converting mine from the plastics, but having just put together (and converted) my first largeish resin DZC flyer, a Desolator, I don't think the larger ships being in resin is going to pose any big issues

Resistance space fleet concept art and 20x up model spotted? Could it be that Dave is working on the followup DZC scale DFC model to fight against his UCM one?

Suggesting to Dave to build another big model for DFC is a sure way to have an unforseen accident involving a delivery truck and you.


As with DZC only the core-minis will be plastic. Anything else would be obscene to produce, moneywise. The resin does not differ much from the weight of the plastic, and actually they settled for a heavier plastic than usual with their DZC starters. Especially the transparent bases are quite heavy.

Also resin aloows you undercuts plastic can´t provide. So with resin for verything else Dave can go places...

 Thunderfrog wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

"oh well, deal with it?"

Honestly, no, I cant. Theyre two different games. Do you expect to find Tyranids as a faction in Horus Heresy? Do you expect ti find Tau as a faction in Age of Sigmar? Do you expect to find Sorylians as a faction in Halo Fleet Battle?

 Thunderfrog wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

I don't think he's confused about why anyone would want their faction to exist in the new game, but confused as to why anyone would expect the resistance to exist in it given the fluff is pretty explicit on the matter.

 Thokt wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

I don't think he's confused about why anyone would want their faction to exist in the new game, but confused as to why anyone would expect the resistance to exist in it given the fluff is pretty explicit on the matter.

New fluff including Resistance is the only reason I purchased DZC to start with. I started in phase 2, probably unlike most of the folks in this thread. As a customer, it's easy to feel swindled.

You find a game you are newly exposed to.

You purchase a faction within that game, which didn't exist until fluff writers said it did.

Game expansion comes out. Everyone else gets new things. You do not. Grognards on the internet tell you that you should never have expected it because fluff tells you it's improbable. New fluff is written easily. Someone scoffed at Resistance using scavenged ship parts, but they use scavenged Scourge bits for guns in a couple of places. They also have an alliance with either UCM or PHR, depending on your flavor.

It's less like wanting Tyranids in AoS (which was a jackass comparison to be honest) and more like wanting Guard Flyers, since Space Marines and Tau got flyers. Considering the talk about campaign scenarios where what happens in the air affects the ground, I'd say it's not so radical an expectation. Either way, why the hostile tones? Is Hawk above criticism? Are we only allowed to talk bad about GW?

So how likely do we think this will hit 500k? With only 11 days left how quickly have the pledges been coming in? I've just pledged at commodore level for all the pieces in the starter set, a PHR and shaltari fleet for me and my brother and all the extra high ranking goodies. The UCM and scourge are just a bonus because I'm loving all these models so far bar maybe the scourge frigates.


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 Thunderfrog wrote:

 Thokt wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

I don't think he's confused about why anyone would want their faction to exist in the new game, but confused as to why anyone would expect the resistance to exist in it given the fluff is pretty explicit on the matter.

New fluff including Resistance is the only reason I purchased DZC to start with. I started in phase 2, probably unlike most of the folks in this thread. As a customer, it's easy to feel swindled.

You find a game you are newly exposed to.

You purchase a faction within that game, which didn't exist until fluff writers said it did.

Game expansion comes out. Everyone else gets new things. You do not. Grognards on the internet tell you that you should never have expected it because fluff tells you it's improbable. New fluff is written easily. Someone scoffed at Resistance using scavenged ship parts, but they use scavenged Scourge bits for guns in a couple of places. They also have an alliance with either UCM or PHR, depending on your flavor.

It's less like wanting Tyranids in AoS (which was a jackass comparison to be honest) and more like wanting Guard Flyers, since Space Marines and Tau got flyers. Considering the talk about campaign scenarios where what happens in the air affects the ground, I'd say it's not so radical an expectation. Either way, why the hostile tones? Is Hawk above criticism? Are we only allowed to talk bad about GW?

With so many fleets available on the pledges (I know it's not the same as having an official release for your faction) but couldn't you scratch build a resistance fleet using the UCM as a base and steal parts from other races ships so they look salvaged and just use the UCM rules, your resistance fighters could be collecting wreckage that's fallen from orbit and rebuilding the UCM ships that failed to take off in the invasion.

They could also have the Resistance fleet be a combo of scourge and UCM ships that have been commandeered by resistance forces.

 Mantle wrote:
So how likely do we think this will hit 500k? With only 11 days left how quickly have the pledges been coming in? I've just pledged at commodore level for all the pieces in the starter set, a PHR and shaltari fleet for me and my brother and all the extra high ranking goodies. The UCM and scourge are just a bonus because I'm loving all these models so far bar maybe the scourge frigates.


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 Thunderfrog wrote:

 Thokt wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Im a bit confused as to why people would expect the resistance to have a fleet in the first place, it really makes no logical sense.

You honestly can't understand why people would want the faction they pay for and play to show up in a new game that could very well be the development focus for the next year or so? Not everyone would put fluff sanctity over being able to stick to their own faction.

I don't think he's confused about why anyone would want their faction to exist in the new game, but confused as to why anyone would expect the resistance to exist in it given the fluff is pretty explicit on the matter.

New fluff including Resistance is the only reason I purchased DZC to start with. I started in phase 2, probably unlike most of the folks in this thread. As a customer, it's easy to feel swindled.

You find a game you are newly exposed to.

You purchase a faction within that game, which didn't exist until fluff writers said it did.

Game expansion comes out. Everyone else gets new things. You do not. Grognards on the internet tell you that you should never have expected it because fluff tells you it's improbable. New fluff is written easily. Someone scoffed at Resistance using scavenged ship parts, but they use scavenged Scourge bits for guns in a couple of places. They also have an alliance with either UCM or PHR, depending on your flavor.

It's less like wanting Tyranids in AoS (which was a jackass comparison to be honest) and more like wanting Guard Flyers, since Space Marines and Tau got flyers. Considering the talk about campaign scenarios where what happens in the air affects the ground, I'd say it's not so radical an expectation. Either way, why the hostile tones? Is Hawk above criticism? Are we only allowed to talk bad about GW?

With so many fleets available on the pledges (I know it's not the same as having an official release for your faction) but couldn't you scratch build a resistance fleet using the UCM as a base and steal parts from other races ships so they look salvaged and just use the UCM rules, your resistance fighters could be collecting wreckage that's fallen from orbit and rebuilding the UCM ships that failed to take off in the invasion.

That's a great idea, and likely what I'll wind up doing. Scratch building 10mm is going to be a challenge.

Good god.

I'm not a fan of an all capitals post, but..

THIS IS NOT AN EXPANSION FOR DROPZONE. IT IS A SEPARATE GAME.

New fluff including Resistance is the only reason I purchased DZC to start with. I started in phase 2, probably unlike most of the folks in this thread. As a customer, it's easy to feel swindled.

Phase 1 is the only book out, Phase 2 is still in early stages, hence only beta-rules for the few new miniature releases. Most of the recent releases delivered the missing units from Phase 1. And in Phase 1 it is clearly stated that Resistance has no fleet to speak of.

Game expansion comes out. Everyone else gets new things. You do not. Grognards on the internet tell you that you should never have expected it because fluff tells you it's improbable. New fluff is written easily. Someone scoffed at Resistance using scavenged ship parts, but they use scavenged Scourge bits for guns in a couple of places. They also have an alliance with either UCM or PHR, depending on your flavor.

Resistance got the same amount of units in Phase 1 all other factions have including Phase 1. The new beta-releases also do include Resistance releases. So you are definitly not left out.

And DFC is no expansion it is a game of its own. New fluff is written easily, but Hawk is known for staying true to its fluff and not altering it on a whim. And the fluff in Phase 1 tells you how much trouble the Resistance has with the scavanged parts from Scourge tanks and that they burn through them at a high rate since they only start to begin their technology. They do use PHR-shields on commander-tanks, but the PHR had to install them for them and the Shltari cooperate with them sometimes but do not share any technology with them. UCM is also more of an cooperation than a sharing of technology. And most factions within the Resistance only cooperate with one other faction. That would be a major rewrite of the fluff and invalidate Phase 1 completly.

It's less like wanting Tyranids in AoS (which was a jackass comparison to be honest) and more like wanting Guard Flyers, since Space Marines and Tau got flyers. Considering the talk about campaign scenarios where what happens in the air affects the ground, I'd say it's not so radical an expectation. Either way, why the hostile tones? Is Hawk above criticism? Are we only allowed to talk bad about GW?

What you actually want is: fighters for the Gungans (which have a capable army on ground) though the SW fluff makes clear that they have no pilots and fighters to speak of, which would also be a major rewrite of the fluff.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

As with DZC only the core-minis will be plastic. Anything else would be obscene to produce, moneywise.

The KS has nearly made 10 times its target, Hawk could afford to make a plastic captial ship sprue for each faction.

How exactly is a player whose invested in DZC being swindled if their faction is not in a different game by the same company? There is absolutely no bait and switch.

Either you get you explore one of the other fleets, or you never get into it and have that much more money in your pocket for other things. I personally enjoy the first option.