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 VeteranNoob wrote:
No idea what the story in Book 2 will actually contain. Review copies seem to only arrive 1-2 days before pre-order lately but Warhammer Community has been good about promotion ahead of release, so that's a nice change. Until I hear it from GW or have the book in hand can't really assume anything, especially since I'm no eldar expert. Though, in this narrative all bets are off (except the setting of 40K becoming destroyed and completely different in the next version).

My guess is that it will begin soon after Deathwatch screw up Eldrad's ritual , and lead up to the scene at the webway portal or soon after and then move forward

 Whirlwind wrote:
I always have something to say...

However I think you're reading too much into the WoW comment. I'm not saying they look like WoW I'm saying that stylistically they are similar. The OTT colours, exaggerated features, excessive bling all add up toa highly stylised type of miniature that really came to prominence as part of WoW. Compare this to the old eldar which were stylised but much more subtle in their style. Another example would be 30k. It's more realistic/fantasy sci fi. That's why I like the gcults, they harken back to a more gritty style that I preferred.

Old school eldar were seriously garish. I don't think they started muting the colour schemes until sometime during 3rd ed. Also I don't think the phoenix lords or original eldrad could be considered restrained in the design department.

I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

I think, in the way of these things, it was an off-the-cuff remark that there was a bit of discussion around 'what if this does actually happen', rather than it being in any way a credible rumour

I can't forsee them cutting something so integral to a faction's aesthetic and theme

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

They hope that Ynnead will rebirth their race into a better form. Perhaps one which does not succumb to their own desires? That would certainly do away with the need for the Path system.

I mean, I know it's a staple of the foundation of the Eldar throughout the games history. But if they were re-born, and got a total rework from the ground up, new paths or new warriors, I would be absolutely astounded. It would be quite literally, very anime'ish (good guy levels up to new power levels and gets a new form and powers), but man would it be cool for the story.

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted?

They'll get replaced with Skyshaard™ Aexemplarrs™, that will be the same esthetically, they'll just have dumb names with extra vowels for no reason.

 Imateria wrote:
That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level...

And we know GW would never do that, right?

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

Don't you know?

Slaanesh is getting squatted, so no need for the path system

 nintura wrote:
I mean, I know it's a staple of the foundation of the Eldar throughout the games history.

Not true!

In Rogue Trader all Eldar were pirates!

And they could have children with Humans, who later could become Ultramarines officers...

I kid you not, in Rogue Trader, there was a Special Character that was an Ultrasmurfs officer, Mother Eldar, Father human, was a DA scout, then a Salamender Devastator before coming to Smurfs Kingdom and finishing off his career with the Smurfs...

The Space Marines organisation of Rogue trader was veeeeeryy different then now...

Yeah, his name was Tigurius, I don't think that's going to shock many people.

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

Because without someone holding their hand and telling them exactly what is happening step by step , especially on the internet people immediately drift to the negative jaded side.
Doesn't matter who pats them on the back and reassures them.
It seriously makes me wonder how some people can handle to play this terrible game that wrongs them so much so often.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
And they could have children with Humans, who later could become Ultramarines officers...

I kid you not, in Rogue Trader, there was a Special Character that was an Ultrasmurfs officer, Mother Eldar, Father human, was a DA scout, then a Salamender Devastator before coming to Smurfs Kingdom and finishing off his career with the Smurfs...

The Space Marines organisation of Rogue trader was veeeeeryy different then now...

Don't forget that those Ultramarines were the second chapter to bear the name after the first set of Ultramarines went rogue and had to be destroyed.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah that guy on a bunch of swirly gak who can't decide if he wants to be a C'tan or a giant Daemonette isn't a great model.

How can you say that? He has swirly gak!

Swirly gak, man!

Swirly Bull Gak.

Get it right folks.

And it probably should be spelt 'Swyrly'...

Or Swyrly™, rather.

Swaerlae?

WoWification or a bold, colourful look isn't something new for the Eldar (or many SM chapters for that matter), Eldar always seem to have had something of the super-rainbow-unicorn about them. Some of the older art for them seems to be a contest between artists to see how much of the colour palette they can cram into a single piece.


I also wouldn't put too much stock in the notion of removing Aspect Warrriors as a part of the Eldar Ethos, if anything those new models show we're likely to get a new flavour of aspects starting with cat lady as the Southern Belle Exarch.

I really wish there'd be a 'low key' version of the new Avatar; can you imagine moving that around a tight map? Or just transporting that thing around for games?

I think it's great to have an awesomely complicated painting option for the Eldar, but it's so impractical, with lots of things to break off. Plus, it's likely beyond me, painting-wise, and if I were to pay someone to paint it, I'm certainly not going to risk it at a game; it'll be in a glass cabinet!

The model looks like it has just 'risen', so having a 'battle' version would make sense to me.

That Avatar is pretty terrible imo. Too much "fake content" IE swirly magic things just like AoS and the fake content also makes the model impractical to carry or play with. The look doesn't mesh well with any other Eldar models and looks way more Chaos in the process.

GW is really trying too hard instead of just focusing on making better versions that fit the canon of the army, rather than designing all new over-the-top gak.

Oh well, better luck next decade!

You want impractical? Take a gander at Celestines scrolls that she's balancing on. Now THAT'S a nightmare to transport

 War Kitten wrote:
You want impractical? Take a gander at Celestines scrolls that she's balancing on. Now THAT'S a nightmare to transport

Madness, indeed. People will probably be doing conversions on these models just to reduce their size to something more practical...

Please, if GW were going to trade mark anything it's oundaarstaetead, applying to their own style, pretty sure their sculptors yell and jump around the entire time their working, main lining energy drinks.

I think some folks are speculating the elimination of at least some aspects due to the fact that so much of the fething line is fine cast.

-shining spears
-striking scorpions
-fire dragons
-warp spyders
-Howling banshees
-swooping hawks
-dark reapers

not to mention

-warlocks
-Avatar of khiane
-jainzar
-karandras
-maugun rah
-Ashurman
-Feugan
-Baharoth
-pathfinders

Can anyone think of another faction that even comes close to this level of finecast?

I hope they figure something out but I can't imagine GW keeping finecast around forever.

 insaniak wrote:
And it probably should be spelt 'Swyrly'...

Citadel FineSwyrl™

 Red Corsair wrote:
I think some folks are speculating the elimination of at least some aspects due to the fact that so much of the fething line is fine cast.

-shining spears
-striking scorpions
-fire dragons
-warp spyders
-Howling banshees
-swooping hawks
-dark reapers

not to mention

-warlocks
-Avatar of khiane
-jainzar
-karandras
-maugun rah
-Ashurman
-Feugan
-Baharoth
-pathfinders

Can anyone think of another faction that even comes close to this level of finecast?

I hope they figure something out but I can't imagine GW keeping finecast around forever.

AM if you want to go down the path of all the regiments.

Also I think you'd be surprised at how much is finest in space marines, especially if you want to look at all the chapters, Not excusing how dated Eldar are, but one advantage they have is, whilst being dated, the don't look dated.

I can't see any 40k model getting squatted in the rules, even if they go OOP. GW goes to a lot of effort to keep even 20-year old metals legal, like the oddball Termagant weapons.

 Imateria wrote:
I wonder why people think the Aspect Warriors will get squatted? I mean, Ynnead or no Ynnead, they're still going to need a Path system as it's sole purpose was to stop the Eldar falling into their old ways bringing about the pleasure cults again and re-spawning Slaanesh.

That would require changing their lore on a very fundamental level, far more destructive than simple advancement of their fluff to having Ynnead come to life, to the point where they really wouldn't be the Eldar anymore. And more practically, 7th edition isn't going to end in February so they're not about to invalidate half a codex in one go without actually changing the codex.

It's distinct possibility. Certainty? No. But let's look at some reasons why they could be doing it:

a) GW has been looking at trimming down their product line count a bit. Not huge but old kits do vanish.
b) Many eldar players already HAVE aspect warriors. Sure many would buy new plastic ones but there are people who don't. GW could decide potential sales of new eldar unit has bigger sale potential than plastic aspect warriors.
c) GW has been pushing up lots of new units rather than replacement of old models. This was even more clearly visible in fantasy side where kits that desperately needed new kits were left with decade+ kits but also seen in 40k. Seen new khorne berserkers lately? Chaos space marines? Ork boyz? IG troops? Tau firewarriors got replaced but wasn't that more of new sprue to make NEW UNIT plus remastering resulting in tad sharper details rather than basic firewarrior being notably updated?

Plastic aspect warriors means what 6? 7? different units which are tough to dual build. That's basically entire codex releases new products in one go...Jetbikes had to wait their time long time because GW wanted to push new units instead. And that was just 2 kits basically.

I wouldn't put idea of plastic aspect warriors as impossible but this Aeldar thingie would give them plenty of ways to do it if they feel like it leaving old rules into legacy form much like many old units are in AOS. Can play them yes, buy new ones from store no.

Its certainly within GW's ability to plastic kit all the current Eldar resin. A few of the aspects could be made into combo kits with each other, or get new options and plastic SC are common place now. It just depends on if GW are willing to do it.

Lord Flasheart wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
You want impractical? Take a gander at Celestines scrolls that she's balancing on. Now THAT'S a nightmare to transport

Madness, indeed. People will probably be doing conversions on these models just to reduce their size to something more practical...

And then get accused of modeling for advantage


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GoatboyBeta wrote:
Its certainly within GW's ability to plastic kit all the current Eldar resin. A few of the aspects could be made into combo kits with each other, or get new options and plastic SC are common place now. It just depends on if GW are willing to do it.

The aspects aren't that easy to combo kit without changing their looks a lot. They are quite distinct.

And can? Yes. Of course that would basically be nothing else for that release round(assuming all comes at once) which is at odds of GW's lots of new never heard before units and characters release policy.