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 Peregrine wrote:
The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.

Well that sounds good, and considering how often you gak on everything 40K Perry, that's some damned high praise.

 Peregrine wrote:
Finally got to look at Conquest, and my advice is simple: BUY THIS BOOK. The campaign and mission systems make a cruel joke of everything "main GW" has published in the past few years, and are worth the cost of the book even if you don't care at all about the 30k setting.

And reading their explanation of the FOC is just hilarious. In slightly less polite terms: "you know all that idiocy about unbound armies, everything being scoring, and unrestricted LoW? Don't use any of it."

That does sound interesting or at least retro/improved. Do they include rules for improving units like back in 3rd edition if they win/survive?

 warboss wrote:
Do they include rules for improving units like back in 3rd edition if they win/survive?

Yep, and with pretty nice detail. Multiple upgrade tables to roll on, rules for what happens when an upgraded unit is removed as a casualty, special "one per campaign faction" artifacts that a single character can carry, even a mission for rescuing your character if the result of the casualty table is "captured". The only real problem IMO is that it's limited to non-vehicle units, so if you want to have tank commanders/dreads/etc you'll need to come up with your own additions.

FW is pretty much the only reason I'm still in 40k.. They refuse to replace their beautiful books with the new terrible digital layout that is making GW books worthless to buy (imo).. and by rejecting most of the 6th and 7th ed garbage they're my heroes.

Forge World are the peoples Champion, now we just need a Gladiator style uprising and all the worlds problems will be fixed with GW

I think we have a name for the large flyer FW hinted at during Warhammer Fest from Conquest: Warhawk, smaller and more agile than the Condor class Stormbird. Relics as they were of the earliest wars of the Great Crusade.

 Looky Likey wrote:
I think we have a name for the large flyer FW hinted at during Warhammer Fest from Conquest: Warhawk, smaller and more agile than the Condor class Stormbird. Relics as they were of the earliest wars of the Great Crusade.

Smaller? Whatever happened to the whole "go big or go home" thing the legions have going on?

Well to my understanding a Stormbird is huge, like almost Tau Manta huge, so this new flyer is still going to be massive despite being smaller

 Johnson101 wrote:
Well to my understanding a Stormbird is huge, like almost Tau Manta huge, so this new flyer is still going to be massive despite being smaller

Exactly, the Stormbird would be too big to sell very many as it would take up most of a deployment zone on an average table. Titans are more practical as they have a smaller footprint.

 Alpharius wrote:
Not having TWO turrets is not sexy.

I suppose my scratch built version will still be OK to field, but why would they remove one of this Superheavy tank's defining features?

Given the source material it seems it does seem like a very strange design decision

Is there any source materiel for storm birds as at warhammerfest they said they would be releasing a large flyer. In my head I picture it as a star wars lamba shuttle look with two turrets on the wings like the fire raptors and a big ramp at the back. Am I wrong?

I have to echo the sentiments above - Book 4 is no filler book by any standards (Like Imperial Armour 6 was). It has tons of information including a whole subsector's principle planets described (Including Port Maw - no Blackstone Fortresses mentioned though). Loads of different battle scenarios, force orgs and variations, relic weapons for all legions. A full campaign system with examples given. The raid battles are a great entry for new Horus Heresy players being designed for smaller forces of around 1,500pts. A Knight list that shows up the GW codex effort as being amateur at best. The tantalising 'Black Shield' Legionary. Being able to field 1-3 10 man Solar Auxilia Veterans with Volkite Chargers as a compulsory Troop choice.

Smaller forces of 1500pts? Are HH battles generally apoc sized? I know they have a 25% restriction on LOW. The black shield sounds intriguing...is that the same as the Deathwatch black shield where they disown their previous allegiance?

 warboss wrote:
Are HH battles generally apoc sized?

It's intended to be played in the 1750-2500 point range, maybe up to 2500-3000. Besides the LOW there are a lot of expensive elite units, and in smaller games you just don't have as much space for all the cool toys once you've got your basic core units covered. You can play it at lower point levels, but most people who buy all that expensive stuff are probably going to want to use it.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Titans are more practical as they have a smaller footprint.

The times we live in...

 Peregrine wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Are HH battles generally apoc sized?

It's intended to be played in the 1750-2500 point range, maybe up to 2500-3000. Besides the LOW there are a lot of expensive elite units, and in smaller games you just don't have as much space for all the cool toys once you've got your basic core units covered. You can play it at lower point levels, but most people who buy all that expensive stuff are probably going to want to use it.

I disagree peri, ive played at least 100+ games of HH and its fairly clear to me its best at 2400-3000pts, this allows primarchs and super heavies and still have enough for an actual army, now strip the heavies and the primarchs and I would kind of agree, but not below 2k, legion lists start to suck real hard below 2k

and yes you are 1000000000000%% correct that we who buy this expensive stuff want to use it all haha

I agree, I don't bother playing 30k under 2.5k, just doesn't seem to work. One thing I do prefer is less vehicle lead army lists, too many people load out their lists vehicle heavy when the HH was more about 10,000s of Marines killing each other on the battlefield.

I'm expecting new rules from FW for smaller point games at some point, they've show with the campaign rules in Conquest that they are prepared to make a good rule set so I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 Formosa wrote:
I disagree peri, ive played at least 100+ games of HH and its fairly clear to me its best at 2400-3000pts, this allows primarchs and super heavies and still have enough for an actual army, now strip the heavies and the primarchs and I would kind of agree, but not below 2k, legion lists start to suck real hard below 2k

You're partly right, it actually says that the game is designed for 1750-3500, not 2500. But if you're willing to leave out the LoW units (and you can't take them at all below 2000 points) there's nothing stopping you from playing a smaller game. You can cover the mandatory troops + HQ in ~500 points, so even a 1000 point game leaves room for an interesting unit or two. The main reason behind bigger games is simply that a lot of people invest in a big 30k army with all the expensive toys and want to use them every game.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Personally I much prefer it to the original design, and while I understand a lot of folk wanted "THAT Stormhammer", the new weapon layout makes far more sense - the old secondary turret could only traverse through the front arc anyway without shooting its own tracks off, so a Malcador-style mount works fine, and the old "yo I herd you liek turrets so I stuck turrets on yo turrets..." setup for the sponsons was odd IMO.

I dunno, the Imperial Fists 40k scale conversion posted earlier looks like a pretty convincing design to me (insofar as the imperiums extraordinarily impractical and unrealistic designs go).

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I like the bank of guns on the side... but that's not a Stormhammer.

I said the same thing about the Stormblade for not having the racks of missiles.

The stormblade is supposed to have missiles??

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... I like the bank of guns on the side... but that's not a Stormhammer.

I said the same thing about the Stormblade for not having the racks of missiles.

The stormblade is supposed to have missiles??

Yes, but they're silly. Far worse than the problems associated with the Stormhammer's double turret.

EDIT: Quote didn't work for some reason.

On an earlier note I must parrot the others now that I have my copy of book 4 and have had the time to read through it.

It is frakking awsome!

This might just be the best book yet in the series.

The Knight and Auxilia lists are well constructed with make-sense rules and a truckload of awsome.

The backgroundsections of the sector, it's planets, forces and history is rich, diverse and above all, nods and winks a lot at the old Battlefleet Gothic (and other publications featuring the gothic sector) material.

The campaignsystem and added styles of play (and there was a Cityfiiiiight!) is nothing short of star-sparkling, unicorn-bacon-flavoured, could-have-been-written-by-Dan-Abnett, Brilliant!

I think I am shelving my precious FW-Emperor's Day-Present to myself in the form of a small mechanicum army for a Cerastus Castrigator and some Solar Auxilia.

I just got my Conquest today. It's amazing.

One thing though, I can't find the definition of that the Occular augmentics for the Questoris knights is but am coming up empty after an hour and a half of looking. What page should I be looking on?

I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.

Great book. 100% not filler.

 Zuul wrote:
I just got my Conquest today. It's amazing.

One thing though, I can't find the definition of that the Occular augmentics for the Questoris knights is but am coming up empty after an hour and a half of looking. What page should I be looking on?

Page 301, in the special rules box for the Knight Paladin.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.

Great book. 100% not filler.

I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.

 Haljin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.

Great book. 100% not filler.

I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.

That bugged me more than it should as well, why its so hard to get books printed to set dimensions I'll never know.

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Haljin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'll echo what others have said already: Conquest is a phenomenal book. I've only skimmed through each of the sections, but it's impressive so far. The extra cards with the tables and weapon stats are really handy too.

Great book. 100% not filler.

I was happy until I put it on the shelf next to Isstvan special edition and noticed it is a bit shorter so they don't line up nicely. Which is the only reason I picked up special edition rather than regular.

That bugged me more than it should as well, why its so hard to get books printed to set dimensions I'll never know.

Same thing with DVDs and the printing on the spine. Now I am really thinking about picking up the Special Edition and not wait for the regular one ...

Really comes down to if you want the cards and poster I guess.

Black Library can't match FW at all even with the material used for the cover, not sure if that's visible on the photo.

Got mine the other day. Why has nobody mentioned how awesome the Dark age of technology relics are?

That nano-thingy is bonkers! personal void shields, a thingy that lets you count as having rolled a six, personal teleporters, they are all pretty cool and characterful.