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Oh boy! I get to shell out for another $60 book soon?! Thanks, GW! What's that? It'll have a dumb-ass name like "Astra Militarium" did?! YAAAAAYYY!

It'll most likely have Adeptus Astartes in the name at the very least, like the BA codex did.

Lord Corellia wrote:
Oh boy! I get to shell out for another $60 book soon?! Thanks, GW! What's that? It'll have a dumb-ass name like "Astra Militarium" did?! YAAAAAYYY!

nothing dumbass about latin

and astra militarium is a great name...

 RedFox wrote:

Lord Corellia wrote:
Oh boy! I get to shell out for another $60 book soon?! Thanks, GW! What's that? It'll have a dumb-ass name like "Astra Militarium" did?! YAAAAAYYY!

nothing dumbass about latin

and astra militarium is a great name...

I don't think faux gibberish Latin counts as Latin. Might as well be calling them Acespay Arinesmay.

 RedFox wrote:

Lord Corellia wrote:
Oh boy! I get to shell out for another $60 book soon?! Thanks, GW! What's that? It'll have a dumb-ass name like "Astra Militarium" did?! YAAAAAYYY!

nothing dumbass about latin

and astra militarium is a great name...

Except that they were always called the Imperial Guard. At least Space Marines have been called Astartes for just as long.

 Kirasu wrote:
Except that they were always called the Imperial Guard. At least Space Marines have been called Astartes for just as long.

That's a fair point. I just miss the days when GW didn't take the game, or themselves, so seriously. It just seemed more like innocent fun then.

It will be interesting to see the sprue pics of the AMs to compare them to the vanguard. With the price being the same, what will differentiate them? The VV box is packed full of great stuff.

The AMs will get spare torsos and regular backpacks, which the VVs don’t. Hopefully flamers as well. The evisorator on the sarge looks to be the new bit that you have to buy the box for.

But the VV box has TH/SS, 2xLC, and BP/CCW for everyone, plus more random extras. That’s a lot of choppy goodness.

Lord Corellia wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Except that they were always called the Imperial Guard. At least Space Marines have been called Astartes for just as long.

That's a fair point. I just miss the days when GW didn't take the game, or themselves, so seriously. It just seemed more like innocent fun then.

I think that's one of the prime reasons why much of the Grimdark fluff is mediocre to poor.

I mean, there're a lot of things in 40k that started off as a simple joke: catholic angelic vampires in space, mjöd-drunken viking werewolfs in space, an entire imperial guard army that started off as a stoned group telling themselves: "Yow duude.. what if... we made an entire RAMBO army??! Or chaos noise marines, that literally got released as marines with heavy metal instruments that killed people with their infernal music.
Once you take all those concepts and try to shoehorn them into a Grimdark world that takes itself waaaay to seriously, you end up with a wierd mixed bag of silly/edgy fluff, which mostly comes across as off-putting.
It's a shame, because it's not impossible if done right. Tyranids 3rd (or was it 4th??) edition codex was a book that was written almost entirely from IoM POV and the unit description and fluf sections of the book, was moslty filled with either diaries or conversations about humans, describing with great detail the horrors of the Tyranid bioforms and what a true terror they are to face. Compare that to the new Tyranid book, especially the unit section that describes a fat always-eating monster, with tentacles coming out its mouth and you're kindda wondering where they dropped the ball.

 Zewrath wrote:

Lord Corellia wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Except that they were always called the Imperial Guard. At least Space Marines have been called Astartes for just as long.

That's a fair point. I just miss the days when GW didn't take the game, or themselves, so seriously. It just seemed more like innocent fun then.

I think that's one of the prime reasons why much of the Grimdark fluff is mediocre to poor.

I mean, there're a lot of things in 40k that started off as a simple joke: catholic angelic vampires in space, mjöd-drunken viking werewolfs in space, an entire imperial guard army that started off as a stoned group telling themselves: "Yow duude.. what if... we made an entire RAMBO army??! Or chaos noise marines, that literally got released as marines with heavy metal instruments that killed people with their infernal music.
Once you take all those concepts and try to shoehorn them into a Grimdark world that takes itself waaaay to seriously, you end up with a wierd mixed bag of silly/edgy fluff, which mostly comes across as off-putting.
It's a shame, because it's not impossible if done right. Tyranids 3rd (or was it 4th??) edition codex was a book that was written almost entirely from IoM POV and the unit description and fluf sections of the book, was moslty filled with either diaries or conversations about humans, describing with great detail the horrors of the Tyranid bioforms and what a true terror they are to face. Compare that to the new Tyranid book, especially the unit section that describes a fat always-eating monster, with tentacles coming out its mouth and you're kindda wondering where they dropped the ball.

I don't think that's a function of the Grimdark; when you look at material from Inquisitor, Mordheim, like you mention the older codices, and the FFG RPGs you find a lot of stuff that's ludicrously Grimdark, but it's written well enough and with enough occasional knowing-winks that it works perfectly fine mixing humour and Lovecraftian dread. Hell even the older more humorous material is pretty Grimdark in a lot of cases; it's humour yes, but more Python or Brass Eye than Paul Blart: Mall Cop.

The problem is that GW isn't a studio of guys with similar pop culture landscapes working together collaboratively to build a universe and occasionally having those "hey dude, we should totally..." moments any more; it's a santisied, corporatised, management culture trying it's best to do an impression of the aforementioned but pitched at a Young Adult Fiction level. That kind of environment actively, if often unintentionally, crushes the more jokey, referential ideas because they're seen as risky legally or too risque for Wee Timmy's mum to endorse and buy for him.

I've made my peace with it tbh. I still don't like it, but these days I just look at everything GW produces as I would look at fanfic - if it's good, I include it in my "head canon", otherwise I discount it.

 insaniak wrote:

 Talys wrote:
You know, it's weird. Australia's dollar is about the same as Canada's (within 5%?). So, why is the price $50 vs $70?.

They were starting to more or less equalise prices (by leaving ours where they were and raising everyone elses' with each new release) for a while there, so this is somewhat of a throwback to old ways.

I can only assume that now that they have all of their new trade terms in place, they think that they've successfully returned us to the staus quo from the early '90s, where Australian customers simply had no real choice but to pay whatever the asking price was.



That, or they've given up completely and are now just using GW Oz as a tax write-off.

Sounds like Aus is GWs testpilot for hard price hikes. Its the perfect testing ground for "experimental prizing" because everybody knows about the taxes and whatnot throwing ordinary prices in a state of flux.
Now that they see how far they can push it -enter wave 2 of a faster, more intence price hike, with GW "restoftheworld" following closer behind (though still benefitting from the old "at least its not as bad as Aus/NZ" we are always reminded of ).
Tinfoil hat on, folks.

Honestly guys, is anyone really surprised that the Assault Marine box new release [update] would be MORE money than the previous one?

GW's new pricing strategy is easier to predict than my Steam boilers... *ahem* The only fun bit would be estimating if the new Assault Marine box would more than the cost of lets say "Skitarii Vanguard". Which it sadly is. :(

I do remember when I could get an ASM box for $25 CAD at 30% off...

Azreal13: LOL!™

 Yodhrin wrote:

I've made my peace with it tbh. I still don't like it, but these days I just look at everything GW produces as I would look at fanfic - if it's good, I include it in my "head canon", otherwise I discount it.

I'm in the same boat, you just put my thoughts and sincere regrets.. lol into words. OH, well the spilled milk that is GW of old doesn't have to all dried up, eh? And if it does, I'm sure it can be collected in re-hydrated.

 Zewrath wrote:

Lord Corellia wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Except that they were always called the Imperial Guard. At least Space Marines have been called Astartes for just as long.

That's a fair point. I just miss the days when GW didn't take the game, or themselves, so seriously. It just seemed more like innocent fun then.

I think that's one of the prime reasons why much of the Grimdark fluff is mediocre to poor.

I mean, there're a lot of things in 40k that started off as a simple joke: catholic angelic vampires in space, mjöd-drunken viking werewolfs in space, an entire imperial guard army that started off as a stoned group telling themselves: "Yow duude.. what if... we made an entire RAMBO army??! Or chaos noise marines, that literally got released as marines with heavy metal instruments that killed people with their infernal music.
Once you take all those concepts and try to shoehorn them into a Grimdark world that takes itself waaaay to seriously, you end up with a wierd mixed bag of silly/edgy fluff, which mostly comes across as off-putting.
It's a shame, because it's not impossible if done right. Tyranids 3rd (or was it 4th??) edition codex was a book that was written almost entirely from IoM POV and the unit description and fluf sections of the book, was moslty filled with either diaries or conversations about humans, describing with great detail the horrors of the Tyranid bioforms and what a true terror they are to face. Compare that to the new Tyranid book, especially the unit section that describes a fat always-eating monster, with tentacles coming out its mouth and you're kindda wondering where they dropped the ball.

I remember reading the second edition books as a kid. The Ork stuff was funny, but there was definitely a lot of what I could call "serious grimdark" stuff. I remember one particular bit of fluff coming from the perspective of a space marine- describing the failing conditions of his old power armor, witnessing the gruesome deaths of his battle-brothers...and another where a Chaos lord strangles a guardsman to death with his tentacle-arm, and then has to perform a kind of mental storage ritual because he wants to preserve the memory but his mostly-human brain can't cope with 10,000 years of experiences, so he lives his life in a sort of a half-amnesiac haze. It was scary and sad and weird, and that's why my 11 year old self liked it.

So at least in my opinion, 40k has always been the odd mix of gruesome and funny- and there's still plenty of funny stuff. But most of the models that I would say were supposed to be funny (Dreadknights, Skitarii Lancers, Electro Priests, Bullgryns, Logan "Santa Claus" Grimnar) are also the models that attract the most hate.

Ouch £8 for a few plastic bits that does not even allow you to build 1 miserable mini? Ridiculous.

It's bling for individual units not an actual mini on its own. They'd charge you 20 bucks otherwise

Was chatting in my FLGS today, and a random person mentioned that the new ASM are actually pretty good deal. Sure, they are $9 more, but you get 5 scenic bases, plus posable legs.

For those people who buy scenic bases, 10 32mm bases will set you back $12 - $15, so that's $7.50 already. Plus, these are plastic, and they look better than average for scenic bases. You should be able to sell the scenic base in your local store for $2 a pop easily (I'd buy 20 for $40 just like that).

Add the posable legs, and that's a big win.

Don't care about the models, and just want game pieces? You'll be able to buy the old ASM soon at 30%-50% discount off the old price.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
It's bling for individual units not an actual mini on its own. They'd charge you 20 bucks otherwise

You can buy more than one mini at GW for less than 20 at FRP, some even in metal... Looking at plastics a tactical box has more than enough bling to build you 10 minis... FOr example a Blood angels one will get you 1 full mini with loads of options for 2.6... I do not understand how they can get away with this price for LESS bits than a normal tactical.

If the argument is you just need to buy these to upgrade things to your chapter then I still fail to see the point since one tactical has enough bits leftovers that enable you to achieve the same thing. Its not like people dont have enough extra bits from the Boxes GW today sells.

These would only make sense if they allowed you to build 2 or 3 minis with those bits and extra bling for your other models...

@Navarro -- I just made a really cool deal: I'm trading 20 legs from existing tactical, assault, and devastator/command squads for 10 pairs of the new posable ones, and I'm buying his 10 scenic bases for $10.

So, he gets 20 assault Marines with new bits except legs, 10 with backpacks and 10 jump, for $72 (so $16 per 5) -- and I will end up with 20 posable legs and 20 bases (I'm buying 2 boxes). Using existing DC packs to augment the new purchases, I'll get 20 jump ASM -- the new ones -- for $92, or $23 per box.

Plus, I'll buy all 4 boxes with my 30% discount, dropping his to $12 / 5, and mine to $16 per 5. I am very happy!!

So, not all parts are worth the same to all people.

 Talys wrote:
So, not all parts are worth the same to all people.

Exalted for this


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 NAVARRO wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
It's bling for individual units not an actual mini on its own. They'd charge you 20 bucks otherwise

You can buy more than one mini at GW for less than 20 at FRP, some even in metal... Looking at plastics a tactical box has more than enough bling to build you 10 minis... FOr example a Blood angels one will get you 1 full mini with loads of options for 2.6... I do not understand how they can get away with this price for LESS bits than a normal tactical.

If the argument is you just need to buy these to upgrade things to your chapter then I still fail to see the point since one tactical has enough bits leftovers that enable you to achieve the same thing. Its not like people dont have enough extra bits from the Boxes GW today sells.

These would only make sense if they allowed you to build 2 or 3 minis with those bits and extra bling for your other models...

I was on about the recent character models from GW but fair enough.

 Talys wrote:


So, not all parts are worth the same to all people.

Very good point and I agree with it.

Speaking from my personal perspective I would see more bang for my money if I invested those £8 on another tactical, but like you say some people may really love these bits enough to buy them.

Warmonger2757 wrote:
Hopefully they re-write the CSM Codex.

One can only hope that this is true

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Talys wrote:


So, not all parts are worth the same to all people.

Very good point and I agree with it.

Speaking from my personal perspective I would see more bang for my money if I invested those £8 on another tactical, but like you say some people may really love these bits enough to buy them.

If you consider what GW is charging for a HQ model ($20-$30) picking up the chapter sprue and adding spare legs/back from a tac squad (or elsewhere) is not a bad deal. Gets you a nice chapter-themed captain for about the same price, and still have enough bits left over to trick out some other guys.

@Nevelon - For sure. I think that with the BA Upgrade Sprue, your best bet are:

- Sanguinary Priest using the cup plus bits from Command Squad, plus possibly one of the upgrade torsos (unless you want to save that for a sergeant/veteran).

- Dante, using old (or new) Assault Marine or Death Company bits, plus the Upgrade mask, and the upgrade torso front that has the 6-pack showing

That's $40+ of HQs that you can scrape out of spare parts of bits you'll never use elsewhere, and a $13.50 upgrade frame. Not bad. Of course, not as interesting if you already have a Dante and Priest hahahahaha.

The Space Wolf one certainly does look like it was designed with Ragnar in mind, with the epic Frost Sword, more detailed cloak and the shoulder pads. Add in the fact that the SW sprue has a head that's a dead ringer for old Blackmane and there you go!

The Ultramarine torso, plume and sword would trick out a nice Sicarius as well.

I am just digging the two handed chainsword on the assault squad kit. Man that looks awesome.

I am less a fan of the upgrade sprues though. Or if they make an upgrade sprue they should make it to the same standard as the BT upgrade sprue, which has all sorts of stuff in it, included rhino and land raider doors.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Ouch £8 for a few plastic bits that does not even allow you to build 1 miserable mini? Ridiculous.

£8 for a few plastic bits that allow you to build a chapter-specific iconic character model with the addition of a pair of legs and a backpack, and have shoulderpads and a few bits left over to kit out a squad - I'd say that compares pretty damn favourably to the £18 SM clampack characters that have been coming out of late.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Ouch £8 for a few plastic bits that does not even allow you to build 1 miserable mini? Ridiculous.

£8 for a few plastic bits that allow you to build a chapter-specific iconic character model with the addition of a pair of legs and a backpack, and have shoulderpads and a few bits left over to kit out a squad - I'd say that compares pretty damn favourably to the £18 SM clampack characters that have been coming out of late.

Have an exalt Yodhrin

Huh, if you look at this as a way to make most of the iconic special characters it's actually a pretty good deal. I could see making an ulrik from the space wolves sprue as well.

Great way to keep special characters in without having to make a new sculpt

Two handed chainsaw and some other bits would make Gabriel Seth, I am sure with the new ranges we could kit bash almost any special character

 Paradigm wrote:


The Ultramarine torso, plume and sword would trick out a nice Sicarius as well.

I'm looking at using the torso and head with the clampack Captain, hoping it'll match up okay. I think those upgrades sprues look fantastic, I've been waiting for an Ultramarines upgrade kit ever since I first saw the Iron Hands kit (which is still available, and has aged well!), all those years ago...

I've just picked up a Scimitar jetbike to make my own Sammael, and that new DA power sword is just perfect.

And those extra shoulder pads would look great for Fallen Angels!

 Redemption wrote:
It'll most likely have Adeptus Astartes in the name at the very least, like the BA codex did.

Codex: Codex Astartes Adeptus Astartes.