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chaos0xomega wrote:
When you say the Others minis are pushing the boundries, I wonder if you backed Journey : Wrath of Demons?






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Look at mantics games, poor sculpts and very poor art direction but they succeed in the 400 000 mark ( i wouldnt call that a failure at all) but companies with the best miniatures in the industry such as the current Mercie kickstarter is just at 27 thousand british pounds (last i checked) a mere fraction of Mantics kickstarter. Why? because gamers are so focused on the mind set of HIP over everything else that they lose site of great quality miniatures, rules, setting and everything else.


I think you're addressing the symptom and not the problem (or something). Mierce isn't getting the same funding as Mantic because of *VALUE*, not because of a dislike for resin. HIPS is, simply put, orders of magnitude cheaper to produce models in than resin or metal is. I can give Mierc $100 and I'll get 5-10 miniatures total for that contribution... or I could give CMoN or Mantic $100 and get 50-100 miniatures in return. Yes, the quality of the Mierce minis is much better, detail wise, but the CMoN/Mantic stuff looks cool enough to make up for it.


It is a problem for any new company trying to enter the market place, and as much as some people believe metal isn't that expensive, heck I could produce a pack of 10 guys sell them for25 bucks and however not make too much profit I could still go that way ( PP does this but saves costs by cutting down how many different poses are in the packs usually or keeps a good number of poses but keep high prices for each box).

The problem is "Value" is all subjective and individual, I view more value in having a few really great sculpted and incredible detailed miniatures over having 20 fairly poor detail and art directed miniatures for a big spam game. It is cheaper to produce AFTER you have paid the multi thousand dollar fee for setting up the molds ( again around 5 to 20 thousand dollars not including currency conversion). This is an insane level of cost for miniatures that you are not even sure your going to sell. So companies like mantic that do this quickly become reliant on kickstarter ( who can blame them however , kickstarter is a fantastic deal and a very smart thing to do). I would argue against that value, CMoN's game last I checked was 30 bucks average for 3 - 5 minis not $100 bucks for 50 - 100 of them, only mantic Is around that area and I would rather collect high quality miniatures over large scale minis made to be stand ins for other games.

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Glad to hear the new WoK stuff is going straight to retail (although I wouldn't be adverse to another Ancient King pledge package on KS again).

Any word on how Masmorra will be released? Before/ after/ as part of the Inferno Kickstarter?


Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

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 Alpharius wrote:
Wrath of Kings isn't in HIPs, and we were talking about PVC/"Boardgame Plastic" in terms of 'pushing the boundaries', and KD: M is, of course, in HIPs.


Last I checked I am fairly sure Wrath of Kings was done in HIP, it cannot be restic , resin or PVC??. However yes PVC has been really progressing in detail holding, FF's starwars game was a great example to me how far the material has come and even Reapers minis have not suffered as large a loss in detail as many were fearing it would which is quite impressive.
   
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Wrath of Kings miniatures are PVC with ABS weapons and some other small details. There is no HIPS in the Wrath of Kings minis

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Glad to hear the new WoK stuff is going straight to retail (although I wouldn't be adverse to another Ancient King pledge package on KS again).

Any word on how Masmorra will be released? Before/ after/ as part of the Inferno Kickstarter?



You and me both. Ancient King was an absurd value.

Masmorra will be after Inferno.

 
   
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ced1106 wrote:
Thanks for the discussion, all! (Re)learning a lot of stuff here!

fwiw, Another possible reason that Wrath of Kings isn't as popular may be that CMON realizes that the KS money's in boardgames with miniatures, not miniatures gaming. If you're gonna pay the employees, might as well make a better profit. Their last five KS projects were boardgames with miniatures. That doesn't mean CMON has entirely abandoned other sorts of games and miniatures -- The Grizzled is a coop Euro-ish card game that has been released directly through retail. (Pretty nicely received by BGG and under $17!)

You see this in a fair number of gaming and other industries. A company has limited resources so eventually drops a good but low-profit product for a higher-profit line. Games Workshop, of course, did this with their boardgames way back in the 1980's in favor for hobby miniatures. Thankfully, FFG has licensed and released new editions of many of these games.


Wargames are generally a big investment. Time and money. Assemble the minis, read the rules, need terrain (if you don't already), paint the minis and in most cases long term entertainment you add to that game.

Board games are no where as big as investment (generally) and most people don't commit the time into painting (some do most don't). Read the rules, play the game and store it on the shelf. You see people will buy dozens or hundreds of board games but generally keep wargames to 1 or a couple of games. There is a lot more money in board games because of that.

 
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
So when companies like mine look at the market we see that if we ever want to get anywhere even if we produce the best quality sculpted minis, gamers will never support us as well as the HIP companies or even at all if we produce in metal and or resin.


They will if you can make a competitive value proposition. Problem is, value is more measurable as a function of quantity than it is as a function quality. Most gamers want a good middle ground between the two, but generally speaking the preference leans towards quantity moreso than it does quality. Gamers are hoarders and collectors, not hobbyists and artists.

Table top miniature gaming has become a market highly focused HIP only with a few exception companies like PP , Infinity ect. Their is much more of a market in miniature board gaming , a much better likely hood of being supported on kickstarter to help get your first few games out to start your company. You can produce in PVC which is yes a far less quality material than all the other options out their, but is by far way more affordable than HIP will ever be. With this being the case, we can produce a succesful game and full product in an industry that is far bigger and more welcoming of new companies. So hence this is why miniature board gaming is growing and each kickstarter outreaching the average miniature ones.


You'll notice that the games/companies you listed, PP and Infinity, are skirmish scale games that don't require a lot of minis. Thus the value proposition shifts in favor of non HIPS models, since I dont *need* hundreds of models, only 10-20. Also keep in mind, Battlefront, despite introducing HIPs minis, is and was dominated by metals and resin minis.

If you yourself dosent like this, then begin supporting more miniature tabletop games, expsecially ones produced in metal and resin because the numbers dont lie if you want to get into the gaming industry right now, miniature board gaming is the right path to go on for new starting companies and older ones alike. Gamers are voting with their wallets and more and more companies will be going over to miniature board gaming.


Again I think you're confusing things. The reason board games are more successful is because they are more accessible to wider audiences. Playing a 'true' tabletop wargame is expensive, it comes with the expectation that you build and paint expensive models, as well as building and painting a table to play on. Board games come prebuilt (and sometimes painted), and require no extra work. On top of that, everything I need is included in a single box, which also doubles as storage for it all (at least theoretically). I open the package and I'm ready to play. When I'm done, it packs back into the box it came in and goes on the shelf. On top of that, because they are being produced in cheaply mass-produced materials(contrary to your statement about PVC, HIPS is actually cheaper in the long run, PVC is only preferable because it has a lower initial production cost for mold tooling), I get more stuff for my dollar. No it might not be as detailed or as finely made as your product is, but it doesn't *need* to be. Its a gaming piece, not a work of art. Making expensive high quality models doesn't work if I need to purchase dozens of them to play a game.

Wrath of Kings is still struggeling to get a foot hold and their product is produced in HIP


Its not HIPS. Its also pretty popular, at least here in the North Jersey/NYC area. If they're struggling for market share its because they are operating in a very crowded niche of an already crowded niche market area, coupled with the fact that its a relatively new product line with not a lot of stuff to buy. I've invested about $120 and I already own more than I can use in the largest sized game possible (for my faction).

Dark Age is having a very hard time gaining traction in the market even with brand new stunning sculpts.


The models are nice, I own some, but the game is (in my opinion) kinda meh, not very easy to follow the rules, etc.

Gamers seem to want cheap HIP "toys" with poor sculpting and detail over high quality miniatures, so since HIP is not affordable even kickstarted the better path is to go with Miniature board gaming.


You sound really bitter.

( Also to note, their are many very interesting styles of games you can do in the miniature board gaming market that you just could never do in the tabletop area, many gamers want only a few set styles of games were board gamers are much more open too new and interesting ideas, sorry if this offends anyone but this is what i have seen time and time again.)


Still sounding bitter.


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As an aside, I, personally (and most others I know) actually prefer working with resin/pvc (similar to Hawk/DZC, as well as wrath of kings or forgeworld) over HIPS. Its a more robust material that allows for greater detail. The only reason I like buying plastic minis is because I can get more for the same cost.


1. such as we have seen with the Icuras kickstarter, its better then if that is the case to move away from the tabletop miniature gaming market and go towards the miniature board gaming market as asking most companies to do HIP bag of minis style approach is just plain unrealistic without the knowledge , massive fanbase , just as GW started out with metal miniatures you need to have a large number of customers before any company should ever consider moving to such plastics.

2. Skirmish scale games are the way to go with 28mm miniatures, larger scale games as I have always said should be done at smaller scales, large scale games simply do not work at 28mm except for a few very rare games like the 28mm version of DBA. The problem is right now that their are just too many skirmish games and the market has become saturated and very hard to enter. it should have never been the case to need 100's of 28mm scaled miniatures in the first place to be honest. However sadly it is what many gamers want to play and many miss out on how much better smaller scale focused games in 28mm tend to be.

3.I don't feel I was confusing things, the board gaming market is a much larger audience, easy to set up a game and play it within a short reasonable time, comes with everything you need in one box and requires none or very little assembly. The overall gaming market is moving or already has moved over too quicker games that gamers can play several games of in one night over the 2 - 3 hour games that were around more often a few years ago. again HIP has an insane cost to initial investment so it is no real surprise everyone goes with PVC, we know certainly we will be doing so as well. the quality of PVC far as we have seen in the last years has been steadily increasing , Zombicide and now the 7 sins miniatures have pretty astounding quality that wasn't in PVC a few years ago.

All in all this isn't why more of us will be going over to board games except for the first part of the paragraph above, their are so many things you can do within a board game that the market will except that you just plain cannot do in a tabletop game market.

4.This as in another pose is quite a shock, I was fairly sure they were HIP!, however they are struggling as you have said its a small market, and very hard to break into, hence another reason those who I have met with are looking to start out first as miniature board gaming companies because the market is just plainly better in terms of breaking in.

5. hmm, I have found the rules to be fairly easy too follow , what turned me off to be honest is a bit of the setting itself , its a rather odd combo that just plainly is not appealing to me.

6. it may sound bitter , but it is more the truth than anything else, HIP is not affordable and that is why you see very few companies ever risk their investment in it , however the market has a lot of gamers who want nothing but HIP.

I am sorry if I came off rude, but when you have many gamers constantly poring their money into a kickstarter or new game as soon as it is announced to be HIP and were companies that I feel really deserve the attention and starting funds to succeed, that get no attention and make less than 10% of said HIP companies. It tends to show a fairly un approachable state tabletop gaming is currently, no bitterness just plain honesty better to move towards a market that is more realistic of breaking into than one were its highly unlikely to start in.




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 DaveC wrote:
Wrath of Kings miniatures are PVC with ABS weapons and some other small details. There is no HIPS in the Wrath of Kings minis


Thank you for informing me, I had several far too many people inform me that it was in HIP , so this is a rather shocking news to learn, and several of them were kickstarter backers from all over the world which is rather concerning that they mixed up the materials they were casted in!.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
When you say the Others minis are pushing the boundries, I wonder if you backed Journey : Wrath of Demons?


Kingdom Death called, they would like to have a talk with you regarding the quality of their minis vis-a-vis Journey.


I own both KD:M and J:WoD, and you are making a preassembled PVC apples to DIY HIPS oranges comparison there. Apples to apples, you would have to compare the initial PVC KD:M items with J:WoD, and you would be hard pressed to claim it superior to Journey.

The real revelation is how KD:M hard plastic surpasses cold cast resin in many ways.

chaos0xomega wrote:
How did that go, and what did you keep vs sell? Is your ex-GW money feeding board games like the Others?

Right now I'm down to a few books which I'm trying to sell off, a large Daemons army that Im debating selling, and odds and ends from Tau/Eldar that I'm not sure what to do with, as well as a large Ogre Kingdoms force which I intend to keep as a modeling project. The value of the stuff I've sold has rather notably depreciated, moreso than usual (used to be able to get about 50-60% retail for used stuff, now im getting 25-40% if I'm lucky), I believe this reduction in value is a result of a combination of general disinterest in the game, especially when it comes to models/armies that aren't currently 'top-tier', and the increasing prevalence of chinese recasts as well.

The money is most definitely being used for products from other companies, especially board games (I've picked up zombicide, backed the others, late pledged black plague, trying to late pledge Lobotomy, bought someone elses Kingdom Death pledge), but I've also been buying more Infinity, Warmahordes, and Malifaux stuff recently, as well as Wrath of Kings, X-Wing, Armada, and Halo Fleet Battles.


That's too bad the bottom is falling out, so I guess I could try to sell off some of my Eldar odds & ends if I'd at least get my money back. If it's largely worthless, I guess it'll sit.

Very cool, and good choices. Nice variety there!


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Erebus Studios wrote:
When you have so many tabletop gamers wanting nothing but HIP

So when companies like mine look at the market we see that if we ever want to get anywhere even if we produce the best quality sculpted minis, gamers will never support us as well as the HIP companies or even at all if we produce in metal and or resin.

Table top miniature gaming has become a market highly focused HIP only with a few exception companies like PP , Infinity ect. Their is much more of a market in miniature board gaming , a much better likely hood of being supported on kickstarter to help get your first few games out to start your company. You can produce in PVC which is yes a far less quality material than all the other options out their, but is by far way more affordable than HIP will ever be.

Wrath of Kings is still struggeling to get a foot hold and their product is produced in HIP, Dark Age is having a very hard time gaining traction in the market even with brand new stunning sculpts. Gamers seem to want cheap HIP "toys" with poor sculpting and detail over high quality miniatures, so since HIP is not affordable even kickstarted the better path is to go with Miniature board gaming.


I'm pretty sure you have no freakin' clue what you're talking about if you're making fundamental mistakes over labeling ("HIP") and materials (WoK).

HIPS = High Impact PolyStyrene - the Styrene is the important bit, because that's the part which requires the hard molds with zero undercuts and a 1.5-degree parting angle. Not specifying the plastic could just as easily reference PolyUrethane or PolyVinyl, which have very different characteristics. HIPS is what

CMoN is pretty much exclusively PVC, the material which dominates Kickstarter games miniatures (by dollar volume). CMoN's Wrath of Kings is primarily PVC with some HIPS weapons bits glued on. The PVC dominates the WOK production effort, not the weapon bitz.



I have a high degree of understanding what I am talking about, however when I have been told by more than a few people from all over the world about wrath of kings being HIP it comes rather shocking to hear that this is not the case, my apologies their , I certainly hope those kickstarter backers were not too shocked when they got their miniatures then however!

I know how PVC and HIP work , I was informed by a large amount of individuals that it was HIP and their for, I was under the false pretence that it was HIP.

However on knowing this, having seen the painted versions of them online I have grown even more impressed with PVC and even more convinced that PVC is going to continue strongly and could very well even out do HIP here eventually if their quality keeps on climbing as it has.
   
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In order for PVC to take over HIPS in the hobby aspect of tabletop gaming they will have to come mold line free.

Detail is not a huge issue, definitely improved and not as crisp as the Kingdom Death HIPS (those minis are like resin!) but working with pvc still sucks.

I know a lot of anime figures in the early years had issues with pvc detail until several years back. There are some pvc garage kit models, wonder how that works? do they use a machine or pour it like metal?

 
   
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It's pretty tragic when the customers refuse to buy what they don't want. They must be the ones who are wrong.


I take it the Others minis are some form of delicious plastic for philistine mass consumption.

   
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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm both surprised and impressed CMON hasn't taken any of its various properties and done an actual old fashioned dungeon crawl. While a lot of the typical components and mechanics of dungeon crawl boardgames have shown up across a lot of their own releases, there hasn't been anything akin to the older Quest type games that other Kickstarters are constantly trying to bring back.


Wasn't Arcadia Quest some sort of dungeon crawl? Of course, by BGG standards, *any* generic fantasy game that has grids or areas and doesn't take place inside is a dungeoncrawl.

THE DNGINCRAL: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=arcadia%20quest%20dungeoncrawl

Speaking of taking various property, I think it's too bad that CMON doesn't "cross pollinate" its spam miniatures (love the term!) from one of its game systems to another. You could, for example, take the Z:BP Necromancers and Zombies or Blood Rage Vikings and make a WoK army. Or have stats for the Vikings as heroes in Z:BP.

Crimson Scales and Wildspire Miniatures thread on Reaper! : https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/103935-wildspire-miniatures-thread/ 
   
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I soooooooo badly wanted a Nasier chibi guy for Arcadia Quest.

Heck, a multipack of representatives from the various Houses would have been awesome.

I think what we really need is an Arcadia Quest/ The Others crossover. A squished up chibi Avatar of Pride would be an interesting sight to see...

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

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Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
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Erebus, you are obviously not as good as you think you are. Ppl vote with there wallets and arent voting for you, try harder instead of standing on a soap box and telling everyone what we want. Try a KS and see how well you do, im sure you will do fine..... Oh and stop ripping on Mantic you really sound bitter.
   
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Erebus Studios wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:


[SNIP!]

Erebus Studios wrote:
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When you have so many tabletop gamers wanting nothing but HIP

So when companies like mine look at the market we see that if we ever want to get anywhere even if we produce the best quality sculpted minis, gamers will never support us as well as the HIP companies or even at all if we produce in metal and or resin.

Table top miniature gaming has become a market highly focused HIP only with a few exception companies like PP , Infinity ect. Their is much more of a market in miniature board gaming , a much better likely hood of being supported on kickstarter to help get your first few games out to start your company. You can produce in PVC which is yes a far less quality material than all the other options out their, but is by far way more affordable than HIP will ever be.

Wrath of Kings is still struggeling to get a foot hold and their product is produced in HIP, Dark Age is having a very hard time gaining traction in the market even with brand new stunning sculpts. Gamers seem to want cheap HIP "toys" with poor sculpting and detail over high quality miniatures, so since HIP is not affordable even kickstarted the better path is to go with Miniature board gaming.


I'm pretty sure you have no freakin' clue what you're talking about if you're making fundamental mistakes over labeling ("HIP") and materials (WoK).

HIPS = High Impact PolyStyrene - the Styrene is the important bit, because that's the part which requires the hard molds with zero undercuts and a 1.5-degree parting angle. Not specifying the plastic could just as easily reference PolyUrethane or PolyVinyl, which have very different characteristics. HIPS is what

CMoN is pretty much exclusively PVC, the material which dominates Kickstarter games miniatures (by dollar volume). CMoN's Wrath of Kings is primarily PVC with some HIPS weapons bits glued on. The PVC dominates the WOK production effort, not the weapon bitz.



I have a high degree of understanding what I am talking about, however when I have been told by more than a few people from all over the world about wrath of kings being HIP it comes rather shocking to hear that this is not the case, my apologies their , I certainly hope those kickstarter backers were not too shocked when they got their miniatures then however!

I know how PVC and HIP work , I was informed by a large amount of individuals that it was HIP and their for, I was under the false pretence that it was HIP.

However on knowing this, having seen the painted versions of them online I have grown even more impressed with PVC and even more convinced that PVC is going to continue strongly and could very well even out do HIP here eventually if their quality keeps on climbing as it has.


The fact that you can't even do people the courtesy of snipping a huge quote that doesn't concern you in the slightest suggests that your self-certification of understanding is less than what a layperson might consider adequate.

And you continue to write "HIP" where the correct nomenclature would be "HIPS", as I corrected you earlier. Are you really so ignorant that you don't understand the significance of styrene vs urethane vs vinyl? And are you really so obstinate that you refuse to use the correct notation?

Finally, it's news to you that people are getting smart about sculpting and painting PVC to a higher standard than what we've seen previously? Really?

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Erebus Studios wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:


[SNIP!]

Erebus Studios wrote:
Spoiler:
When you have so many tabletop gamers wanting nothing but HIP

So when companies like mine look at the market we see that if we ever want to get anywhere even if we produce the best quality sculpted minis, gamers will never support us as well as the HIP companies or even at all if we produce in metal and or resin.

Table top miniature gaming has become a market highly focused HIP only with a few exception companies like PP , Infinity ect. Their is much more of a market in miniature board gaming , a much better likely hood of being supported on kickstarter to help get your first few games out to start your company. You can produce in PVC which is yes a far less quality material than all the other options out their, but is by far way more affordable than HIP will ever be.

Wrath of Kings is still struggeling to get a foot hold and their product is produced in HIP, Dark Age is having a very hard time gaining traction in the market even with brand new stunning sculpts. Gamers seem to want cheap HIP "toys" with poor sculpting and detail over high quality miniatures, so since HIP is not affordable even kickstarted the better path is to go with Miniature board gaming.


I'm pretty sure you have no freakin' clue what you're talking about if you're making fundamental mistakes over labeling ("HIP") and materials (WoK).

HIPS = High Impact PolyStyrene - the Styrene is the important bit, because that's the part which requires the hard molds with zero undercuts and a 1.5-degree parting angle. Not specifying the plastic could just as easily reference PolyUrethane or PolyVinyl, which have very different characteristics. HIPS is what

CMoN is pretty much exclusively PVC, the material which dominates Kickstarter games miniatures (by dollar volume). CMoN's Wrath of Kings is primarily PVC with some HIPS weapons bits glued on. The PVC dominates the WOK production effort, not the weapon bitz.



I have a high degree of understanding what I am talking about, however when I have been told by more than a few people from all over the world about wrath of kings being HIP it comes rather shocking to hear that this is not the case, my apologies their , I certainly hope those kickstarter backers were not too shocked when they got their miniatures then however!

I know how PVC and HIP work , I was informed by a large amount of individuals that it was HIP and their for, I was under the false pretence that it was HIP.

However on knowing this, having seen the painted versions of them online I have grown even more impressed with PVC and even more convinced that PVC is going to continue strongly and could very well even out do HIP here eventually if their quality keeps on climbing as it has.


The fact that you can't even do people the courtesy of snipping a huge quote that doesn't concern you in the slightest suggests that your self-certification of understanding is less than what a layperson might consider adequate.

And you continue to write "HIP" where the correct nomenclature would be "HIPS", as I corrected you earlier. Are you really so ignorant that you don't understand the significance of styrene vs urethane vs vinyl? And are you really so obstinate that you refuse to use the correct notation?

Finally, it's news to you that people are getting smart about sculpting and painting PVC to a higher standard than what we've seen previously? Really?


I see no need to further discuss things here with someone like yourself, a poor attitude towards others is rather a very immature way to discuss any topic.

I will let the thread get back too what it should be talking about which is the game and its kickstarter,.

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Welp forgot about this until just now, i guess you got me sloth :(
   
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I jumped in with 265$. That's getting all boxes and artbook. Now I sure hope The Others will catch with the local crowd.

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Nice thing about board games is that you don't need to worry too much about community buy in. As long as you can rope another player in, the game is solid.

I'm fearful I'll need an automated player option as I'm afraid nobody will want to play as the heroes, and everyone will want to use the Sins.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/627383.page#7436324.html
Watch and listen to me ramble about these minis before ruining them with paint!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmCB2mWIxhYF8Q36d2Am_2A 
   
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They need a sin on sin version of the game where different factions fight it out to try and take over the remaining people.


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ArtIsGreat wrote:
Welp forgot about this until just now, i guess you got me sloth :(

Your able to late pledge still. Go to the Kickstarter page and click the "late pledge" button. Otherwise Envy will have its way with you later.

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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Context, forgot to add context before posting. I'm upset because I never pulled my pledge because, psh, I'll do it later, and now my $100 is gone.
   
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 Theophony wrote:
They need a sin on sin version of the game where different factions fight it out to try and take over the remaining people.


Do the rules mechanics make this impossible?

T
   
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Sorry for the resurrection of this topic, thought it would have moved to the board games thread by now . Anyways they have extended the pledgemanager close date till Feb 1st. of 2016, giving you an extra 2weeks.

I've decided to hold off completely, was only in for $1, as the villians great models just didn't compensate for the heroes terrible models. Just my opinion, but that's all that mattered to me.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Just look at it as a KoW Night Stalkers army bundled with a bunch of Zombicide/zombie apocalypse survivor models with free game attached.

   
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Affton, MO. USA

Never was a Cthulhu fan, even if I decide to do a night stalkers army I think I'll go the Bones route. I was thinking of jumping on someone else's pledge just to get the $10 tentacles pledge, but j think I can survive.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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If it's anything like Arcadia Quest, they'll eventually sell packs of the tentacle tokens at retail anyway! Also, they're probably smaller than you're thinking, a little over 1cm judging by the heart tokens.

I actually really like the concept of the game! Although (despite Adrian Smith's excellent art) I don't feel that its visual style is as interesting as it could be - there's too much reliance on tits & tentacles, and the heroes are too much of a grab bag.

This just about works when the theme of the game is extremely silly, like Zombicide or Arcadia Quest, but here... It's like playing Arkham Horror, except that instead of PIs, Researchers and Priests you're a Midget Stripper, Sentient Gorilla and One of Those Blue Things from Avatar.

My hope is that the design from Lang can minimise the bloat inherent to these sorts of games, as I feel the ability to repeatedly play missions and actually progress through the campaigns makes or breaks this.
   
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Delivery delayed until July (estimated) manufacturing still ongoing.

Not surprising with ZcBP slipping to June and CMoN going very quiet for a few months.

I'd expected AQ:Inferno to slip as well no way they can get it out in June with 2 projects before it running late.

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Is that at the same factory ?

I know all the 'normal' stuff is, I just wasn't sure about the chibis as the plastic doesn't seem quite the same (although I suppose they tweek it for all their stuff)

 
   
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Salute 2016 is just over a week away, and Studio McVey will be there with resin castings of some of the large monsters from The Others.

So far we have taken delivery of resins of the Avatars for all 7 sins – Pride, Lust, Greed, Gluttony, Wrath, Envy and last but not least – Sloth. These are resin collectors pieces, moulded directly from the original sculpts. They are going to be available in very limited quantities. Once they are gone – we won’t be casting any more.

In case you were not aware, these are pieces from The Others Board we launched on Kickstarter last year. They are all very large pieces (Pride is enormous!), and have been cast beautifully by the same facility that makes out Limited Edition Resin range.

I’ll be posting again here before the show, to update on any other pieces we’ll be selling.

Hope to see you there!

Mike
   
 
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