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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Wow Vik! He is insane! But it's fantastic!! That can't be his first ever ship model!

I didn't mean to sound snippy or anything, I just figured I'd be getting questions about geometry and other matters of construction related to the build, who knew ..furniture

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Omnious Orc Shaman





A long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away...

Ahh, Ninja'd by Vik... Silveroxide's model are fantastic and the Galleon tops them all. Sheer class. I have the Mayflower that's been sitting waiting to built for nigh on 18 years now - all wood with the most insanely detailed plans you just woldn't believe. One day I'll attempt it, just not yet...

I promise that I won't mention furniture (damn it...)

So how are you figuring all the angles then - is it just by eye from the photos / film clips or did the floor plans you referenced earlier have the precise details?

BTW, the video links you put on earlier with the walkthrough were awesome, and you are truly doing justice so far...

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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





Columbus, GA

Look, d, some of us really like interior design, okay? lol

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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Heh, no the floorplan is just what you saw, I'm just looking at media and figuring it out from there

Here..This is kind of like furniture

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster





New Zealand

Great to see Weta workshop's work being an inspiration for your own hobby journey! Thanks for sharing!

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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Thanks Invention! Yeah, The Behind The Scenes stuff on the DVD's fascinates me! I'd happily leave my career in an instant to be able to go work for Weta on stuff like this.
@Ruglud- I'm using pine craft/stir sticks in alternating fashion. I based my rough measurements for the paneling on those. As you can see by the new corner pieces that hitting them with the belt sander helps the look, but I'm finding that is causing me to lose thickness that I didn't figure for :facepalm
..But this is why man invented trim


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What about LGS applied through a hypodermic needle for window leading?

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

couldn´t argue about siveroxide´s sanity... motivation or rather dedication is spotless tho... and he made quite a big range of papercafted models one would give at least his left hand for to be half as good as this guy is... he has quite some skills, eh?^^

and dave... speaking of skills... those woodpannel-not-furniture stuff.... looks totally wonderful! and frankly i am amazed by the fact that you use wood again instead of PC... what a long time ago has it been since you last used that material... and you never lost any skills there!!!

oh by the way... silveroxide uses a dremel as a small lathe... cool idea, eh? defiantly furniture interesting food for thought

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Oh yeah Vik? I wonder how he chucks in the other end of his stock-piece?? I haven't read through his wonderfully detailed tuts yet, does he explain there?
edit: Reading is fundamental!!

He is using some sort of extended collet here. I'd have to do some experimenting, but my Dremel Workstation would allow me to lock it in place on it's side, but to really do turned table legs and such, You'd really need some sort of tool rest methinks. I dunno, but I'm sure I could do a LOT more with the Dremel than I can imagine. Mine just sits there most of the time not even plugged in.

But Vik, working with wood is wearing out my CHop-it unfortunately. I may need to upgrade to the Chopper, you know, the One LDD has, but is too lazy to change the blade?

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Something is wrong with me, tonight I had no fun at all. The posts that support the roofline arches frustrated me to no end. Nothing looks right, even though I've tried 6 or 7 different methods, it's just not right yet. All I got done was the small window arches, and that's nothing great to look at.


It's not even the geometry as much as finding the right material to make the posts look right. I'm supposed to be enjoying myself and I'm not, so I'm quitting for tonight.
What does high blood pressure feel like?

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot





Columbus, GA

Pretty much like that.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Great!
Of all the myriad of ways for my body to fall apart as I get older, it chooses the one that affects my hobby-time!

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle






Near Boston

 dsteingass wrote:
Great!
Of all the myriad of ways for my body to fall apart as I get older, it chooses the one that affects my hobby-time!


Hmm what about the things is looking off to you?

If a thinner wood like substance might help I have a copious amount of birch coffee stirrers that I could send some winging your way....

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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit





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Dave, just incase you were not aware. White dwarf this month has a big Hobbit poster with all th epainted minis.

 
   
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Omnious Orc Shaman





A long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away...

Silveroxides mini lathe is great, inspired use of hobby tools. Does looks a tad dangerous though - I'm sure he's got some safety glasses, can imaging shattered blades spinning through the air!

Dave, I have another question for you, and apologies if this has already been answered... What is the black base material you're using?

Oh and I'll quietly leave these here for you...


   
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot





UK

Ruglud you beat me to it I was going to suggest (probably against your rules) but anyway Doll house fittings they might have something that would fit the build without you blowing a gasket

Also I was going to say pretty good work, but after that remark well what can I say however I still have not replaced that blade I should go and find some blades really
   
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Krazed Killa Kan






Newport, S Wales

Look, I'm going to have to politely request that you stop being so goddam awesome

Great work, it's not very often you see such an insane amount to detail going into a very specific-purpose item...

Also, I never thought there would be a book dedicated to making scale module foodstuff...

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Battlefield Tourist






Nuremberg

This is incredibly inspiring stuff. Really happy that I subscribed. Keep it up dsteingass! It's making me want to get back to scenery making after 2 and a half years in temporary accomadation!

   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Don't get too down Dave, sometimes things don't quite work as you expect and then that frustration just makes it worse. A short break can be all you need to get a new idea and you'll be back on it.

Or share the problems and someone on here will have an answer.

Keep it up.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Thanks guys!
of course Mordain...I bought the damn ipad version of this month's WD
Thanks Ruglud..now I have to buy those books!

This is the part I'm having a problem with:

Ignore the round door frame, mine will be straight-sided with an arched top for practicality of building and moving miniatures.

The upper curved (plaster) walls will sit directly on the horizontal centerline of my stir-stick wall panels (showing only half to give the illusion of thin paneling- and the back half supporting the beams and plaster walls), but the columns not only support the curved overhead beams (which are perfectly symmetrical to support each other), but are the iconic part of the room that I can't half-ass,

otherwise it'll look wrong. I've also been using stylized CG pics that other fans have created such as this:

Which still retain the symmetry of the curved ceiling beams, but have simplified lines on things such as the paneling.
But this artist gave it a fluted column, rather than square paneled like the set (which is probably confusing me too)
On some pictures they look straight, in others they look fluted (or is that just the perspective of the pics?) or are the Goddamn things making me see things that aren't there?
If you look carefully, the columns have a stepped capital
Which is level with the top of the paneling, but in relation to the plaster walls, it sticks out a bit farther than the paneling, but it seems as if half of the capital is buried in the plaster walls???..Or is it on the surface of the paneling?
I have, and can bend thick plastic strip of the proper size for the arched beams..but then it appears as though the vertical lines of the beam line up with the column..as if the beam is structural and the paneled column is just wrapped around the beam?

This is difficult to explain, so sorry if it isn't clear.

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







So the problem you're having is with the "look" of the columns and not structural?

From the pictures of the set you show there, it looks to me that the columns are thicker than the wall and curved beams that attach to the top of them. So what you see of the column is only decorative.
If I was doing it, I would build it with the bent beams going all the way to the floor and then just use thin plastic pieces to build the column around it.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







RIGHT!- but if those curved beams go all the way to the floor and then are wrapped to form the column shape...should they stick out into the room farther?

If you were doing that, then would the curved plaster walls on top line up properly?

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Oh, I see. You're not sure if the columns stick out from the plaster walls as much as they should if they are just placed up to the walls, as opposed to being partially buried in the walls?

I think they should stick into the room farther.

The plaster though...erm...

ah ha, look at the left side of this picture...

You see the column next to the large window, the well lit one?
The plaster is flat to the back edge of the column and appears to only curve with the curve of the beam. but the curve above the window starts to curve earlier, is that what's confusing you? Does that help?

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Yeah, I need to build the columns and arch beams (and have them glued solidly to the base) before any of the wall pieces (thin curved plastic sheet)

Oh btw, the black basing material is 1/4" PVC foam

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Hi truly admire the work, just amazing.

Just trying to help out here, and please tell this lesser mortal to go boil his head, but.....

I think the columns are actualy slightly curved ( please see pic attached I hope to explain.) This would trick the eye into thinking the walls are more curved and continue to curve under. And they will be completely out of the wall, not buried at all. For this reason I would build the visible frame inside an external structural frame.

Also as I have tried in the picture to explain, I would build it as 3 seperate frames and then joint it all in. Lot of work but simpler than trying to work out the angles with the curves.

Its a lot easier in reality to do all the curves because you can plaster it all out. PC is good but bending it in 3 different directions at once is fun.

I recently had some success with thicker PC (2mm) heating it with a candle or small blow torch, and bending it to make a curved ram, maybe this is the answer for those tricky curves around the top of the columns and the window?

Hope this helps and please feel free to totally dismiss this if applicable.
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Please ignore rest its the ram I want you to see.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Thanks Cam! I totally agree with you that it needs built into the structural frame (that is what my stir-stick walls are supposed to double as)- hence the idea to center the curved walls on the stir-stick structure. I didn't plan on curving the plastic more than one way, although it is possible, but like you said...fun

I've been thinking about getting one of those heat guns, but I'm kind of afraid of a high-powered one.

Yor drawing is great, and explains a lot, thanks man..but I'm afraid I don't exactly follow you on the curvature of the columns, can you elaborate?. The walls are all completely flat from the floor up to the top of the paneling, then the curvature starts. In reality, they would excavate the larger cave shape, then bend lath boards and plaster all the funky joints. I won't be able to build it exactly, especially because the center and top curvatures will be omitted so the room is open to the top (like the entry hall)- on the end walls where the doors to the kitchen and entry halls are loacated..I'll just shape the top of the wall in a curvature to suggest it's there without actually modeling it. but the smaller curved beams will be there. I know, this is really hard to talk about, but I appreciate any ideas!

"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Painting Within the Lines




Hamburg Germany

As they imitated baroque arch roofs with that hobbit hole, maybe you should look onto real baroque palace walls and look how THEY did it, not how they imitated that on the set maybe without understanding how the original construction is made.
I have seen rooms like that, for example in Schloss Rockenbach (Rockenbach castle) in bavaria. Of course not that rounded wall and window thingie, but framework construction with plastered walls. It is likewise in that only the most prominent pillars, frames and beams were visible in the room. They were mostly protruding a bit, but embedded in the plaster, because behind the plaster there was the most part of the frameworks. On some parts, the timbers were not only not prominent, but set back into the the plaster, because they were no thicker than the timbers plastered over.
From what I have seen I would guess the pillars are indeed functional, the arches are mortised and the capitels are part of the pillars, where the arches are mortised into. At least this is like it is in renaissance framework houses around here.
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Thanks.

I am not sure if they are actually curved or fluted. But the top is definately narrower than the bottom. The idea of making the columns "tubby" would be to let the eye think that the straight walls are curving. It's realy hard to explain put you said it earlier. It's a perspective thing. If your a bad joiner and put the architrave on off plumb, the whole door looks like it's leaning. You can do this on purpose for a desired effect. Like tapering a column to make it look taller. Or curving a column to make a wall look bowed. Sorry struggling here. Your brain thinks the column must be straight and curves the wall!!!.
To be honest I think that the effect will be lost on such a small scale, and you would be fine with straight ones.
But having seen how perfect your models are I appreciate you are trying to be as accurate as possible.

On the heat gun, go for it, but I just use a candle, it's just a couple of seconds of flicking it across the flame. I do not advocate it unless you are a thoroughly sensible person in a safe environment. It occasionally goes wrong and you end up with something a chaos spawn threw up..!!!




 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut







Ok, first thing's first..
Dr. H's revolutionary idea

Now the true test..will the other side of the room line up symmetrically?
I added a matchstick-sized piece of backing board flush with the outside of the paneling, then bent and glued my curvature to it. Only the very corners of the beam are tacked together atm..but I think that places the beam in the proper place.
And the backing board lines up right where I want the plastic sheet for the wall to glue, allowing me to leave a little sliver of wall down to the floor (baseboard will be glued on after the floor is in place) so my door jamb can also stick out....This might work!

Hrou..I used that idea on the tunnel door on the Entry hall

But the only picture showing it from the inside was blurry, so I didn't upload it
It was done by gluing the door jamb onto the flat wall sheet before bending the wall..but it was a pain in the ass.
The side doors on my parlour will be flat all the way up (I think)

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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

looks perfect to me




 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Ol' Blighty

 dsteingass wrote:
Now the true test..will the other side of the room line up symmetrically?
I added a matchstick-sized piece of backing board flush with the outside of the paneling, then bent and glued my curvature to it. Only the very corners of the beam are tacked together atm..but I think that places the beam in the proper place.
And the backing board lines up right where I want the plastic sheet for the wall to glue....This might work!

I think so- good idea with the heating plasticard!


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